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100 v 105 Now i have used both.

Paul

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Well, as some know i am out here in sunny Sudan and have a bit of a play ground with Land Cruisers.

The one we use for important trips is the 105 and is kept very up together as i like to know there is a truck in very good condition should an emergency happen and i need to get somewhere.

It has sparked my interest in whether it is worth changing my 100 for a 105 in the UK. They are available and importing one is not an issue for me, but now i have driven one for some time and in some tough conditions it has raised soome issues.

It is generally considered that the 105 has less electrics than the 100. Dont know about very early ones, but the ones i am looking at are exactly the same as my 100, with imobilisers, electric windows etc. Yes the aircon is a simpler control (similar to my 100) and no leather, but i think this is just down to the fact that the 105 top spec here is a GX-R and not a VX. Also all manual but that is another discussion.

Then the big one.......... SFA over IFS. In the sand here, no difference, on the high way, SFA is still quite good but this leads to another point. The 105 is VERY slow being non turbo. I have looked for the kits to upgrade to turbo and intercooler and these are megabucks! And using a reputable company is coming in on the £5000 mark (yes i know this could probably be done cheaper by hunting individual parts but i dont have the time or facilites) and its something i would have to do as after having an 80, it would just not keep up with the traffic in this day and age when in places like Europe in my opinion and needs. Would the SFA still be as comfortable and capable after fitting a turbo and doing much higher consistant speeds? I dont think so. The 105 also has the older engine.

The 105 also has twin fuel tanks as standard, a nice extra, but not enough to offset the costs of other improvements to a 100.

So in conclusion, and weighing things up carefully, i think the 100 will stay but will be heavily modded with things like tanks and a full upgrade to the front suspension, bumpers etc as i think it will end up as a more capable modern all rounder than the 105 which is maybe mirroring Toyotas decision about where they offered it for sale originally and the changes they made to them.
 
Interesting feedback, Paul!

Paul said:
Then the big one.......... SFA over IFS. In the sand here, no difference, on the high way, SFA is still quite good but this leads to another point. The 105 is VERY slow being non turbo. I have looked for the kits to upgrade to turbo and intercooler and these are megabucks! And using a reputable company is coming in on the £5000 mark
If you were going to go to this level of hassle, surely the answer is to stick in a HD-FT engine from a breaker? Buy an import and stick in the autobox while you're at it :thumbup:
I think there's enough negative experience on the various forums to suggest that turbo'ing the HZ is a bit of a lottery, so your £5k wouldn't buy you reliability.

There's a bloke on LCOOL (Norm?) who did the engine swap - he calls it the original HDJ105.
I think you're right that for the majority of daily use in Europe, the IFS is going to be that little bit more comfortable to live with. As has been said countless times, it's a pity the 105 did not come with any decent engine offerings.
 
Paul said:
So in conclusion, and weighing things up carefully, i think the 100 will stay but will be heavily modded with things like tanks and a full upgrade to the front suspension, bumpers etc as i think it will end up as a more capable modern all rounder than the 105 which is maybe mirroring Toyotas decision about where they offered it for sale originally and the changes they made to them.

I've looked into changing the 80 and would have no qualms about the 100s IFS. There are a number of decent upgrade kits out there and for anything but extreme off-roading I doubt the lack of front articulation would ever be a problem. As for the arguments about strength etc, I think they become redundant if you're upgrading the suspension components. Just my two bits.

Some of the upgrade options available http://www.justdifferentials.com/index. ... e19da12dc6
And here's the extreme end of what is possible http://extremelandcruiser.com/store/ind ... cts_id=186

Note: I did email about the extreme lift and here is the reply I got
I have some of these kits stocked in Japan as well for RHD vehicles. We feel this kit will work well for overlanding as it is made to keep all of the factory geometry correct while lifting. We do not recommend for
rock buggy use as that kind of offroading is too abusive for any IFS suspension system.

The costs are:
4" Kit $5500 USD
6" Kit $6250 USD
8" Kit $7000 USD
 
Well this is the point. I can spend a ton of money to upgrade a standard 105 to be usable in modern life and get it to the spec of a standard 100 series, or i can take the money and spend it on a standard 100 and make things very nice indeed. This also retains a "factory" spec on all the major items like the engine which is quite attractive for things like reliability.
I think the only reason for the 105 is the SFA as the simpler version it is supposed to be that would make it attractive as an expedition vehicle is no longer applicable.
There is also the question about availability of parts for an imported vehicle in UK, not a major issue but an added complication for time and costs.
I will look at the suspension (wishbones etc) kits as i know a few on here have done some nice mods, mine is showing the need for some attention after the ironman fitting so will need to spend some cash anyway, may as well spend a bit more for some quality mods.
 
Paul said:
I will look at the suspension (wishbones etc) kits as i know a few on here have done some nice mods, mine is showing the need for some attention after the ironman fitting so will need to spend some cash anyway, may as well spend a bit more for some quality mods.

Get on with it Paul, IMHO a 100 series IFS makes pretty much the perfect overland vehicle. Most big trips are made up of at least 70% road work for which the IFS is awesome
Any time you want to look at Just Diffs front end mods let me know
 
What i'm thinking of doing:

Overhaul both front drive shafts
Overhaul front hubs
Diff drop kit
Specialist top wishbones
New lower wishbones (Toyota, yes i know what they cost)
Front diff overhaul as suspected wobble now from there.
 
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Although most dont know it, the chassis of the 105 is actually different from the 100, they are not only different suspension mountings, but different widths and profiles too. Here you can see the difference right next to each other: Land Cruiser 100 vs. 105 Chassis

Personally, the 100 is perfectly suited for an everyday car for you driving your family around and on holidays, with occasional off-roading on dunes and such, whereas the 105 is suited to super off roading and remote overlanding.
 
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