2nd gear and synchronisers change?

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Hi guys
does anyone of you with manual gearbox has owned the car from new and if so how was then the 2nd gear shifting?
I mean if that was so bad to change from 1st to 2nd when cold and usually all the customers drive the car cold for a test drive
then who could buy that car with such obvious problem?(still a thought that if I replace the synchronisers it might be better?)
cheers
Lubo
HDJ80 '96mod
 
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Hi Lubo
Is the 2nd gear synchro-trouble the reason for you thinking of selling?
My -97 HZJ80 was 4.5 yrs and had 60 k km when I sold it. The
synchronisation on 2nd gear had just started to fail, although hardly
noticable. That was at stable temperatures of 20 to 35 C though, not the
25 below to 25 above you have now. The only other problem was that the
front left coil spring getting weaker.
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Ugo Hu, Oslo, Norway
HDJ100 AHC 2001, ex HZJ80
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 03:24:26 +0100, Lubomir Kolev <[Email address removed]>
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Hi Ugo
hehehehe-you make me laugh like good old Reno...
If it was only this I could swallow it, but there is something we call it
here 'rykking' or 'napping'-I don't know how it is in English but you know
what I mean and when I ask Toyota(p? Oppsal) they told me that it comes from
back propeller shaft,back diff,transfer gearbox and so on but nothing was
to be changed,because nothing had the symptoms to be changed and just I
shouldn't bother until something gets 'VERY wrong* which I don't want to
wait for :-(
So I went yesterday and drove Audi A6 quattro with 2.5TDI 150HK and
tiptronic gearbox and was very impressed
So take tomorrow the 'NAF'test and jump onto new adventure :)
Take good care of your LC100. I still will respect Toyota,but the new
one.........
cheers
Lubo
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An A6??? (That's a bit like standardising on A4 (or even A6) paper - very
limiting)
Well, maybe it makes more sense in this country, where you are fined for
destroying nature as soon as one wheel leaves public roads.
Are you sure you don't want us to fix your 80 instead?
80s are the best looking station-wagons ever.
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Ugo Hu, Oslo, Norway
HDJ100 AHC 2001, ex HZJ80
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:38:34 +0100, Lubomir Kolev <[Email address removed]>
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Very much agree with the second line-I like 80's shape more than 100's...
Who are these 'us'? I would love to see my car going as it should , but...
cheers
Lubo
 
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Hi Lubomir,
Could you describe the symptoms further.
Are you concerned about vibration from the rear of the car or the thump you get
when you put the car in to gear?
If it is vibration, the most likely cause will be the Universal Joints on the
propshaft. Also check the oil in the rear diff (make sure no metal in oil when
drained), wheel bearings (make sure that there is no movement when you jack the
wheel up, hold it at 12 and 6 O'clock and then try to move it) then also check
the shaft coming out of the transfer box for movement.
If you are concerned with the slack in the drive train when you put it in to
gear, this is very common with the 80 series and not really a big problem to
worry about, however do check the Universal joints on the propshaft, this can
contribute to the problem.
Hope that helps.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Hi Julian
I do not complain from vibrations though since I changed the turbo I feel
deeper sound from back but I can live with it.
the problem lies >also check the shaft coming out of the transfer box for
movement.<that I heard from Toyota.the point is when I suddenly take off my
leg from the gas pedal the car sort of napping-if that is the right
word.Similar effect as when go fishing and the fish bites the hook-very
unpleasant feeling specially when you prepare to break down, but if I keep
my leg on the gas pedal and release it easy then that do not occur.The same
happens when I switch off the cruise control without having my leg on the
gas pedal.and in addition the 2nd gear trouble which do not happen all the
time lets say from 3 of 10 times...I don't know what are those 'Universal
joints ' maybe Ugo Hu can help me with that in Norwegian...Hope I make it
clearer now?
Today I heard awful things about Audi but that is another topic and if
someone is interesting I can pass it by...
cheers
Lubo
PS By the way there is some 'thump back' but nothing to bother...
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Julian, Lubo,
I don't know if this is a case of a generally worn driveline, or stuck
propeller shaft splines, or a combination.
What's the mileage? Ah, just checked: 243 k km in Dec. Could be pretty
worn if not greased particularly well and frequent, I guess? Julian?
Lubo,
Universal Joints are called "universal-ledd" (direct translation) or
"kryss" in the local lingo.
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Ugo Hu, Oslo, Norway
HDJ100 AHC 2001, ex HZJ80
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 18:50:53 +0100, Lubomir Kolev <[Email address removed]>
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Ugo -Hi!!!!
that was the point: the propshaft splines is not good and though Toyota
point it as possible replacement they say that it is not
necessary-I could drive like that very long...As I wrote earlier Toyota said
that all is combination of propshaft,transfer case and differentials and it
will cost a lot to be repaired....
But I'll take a chance and change that propshaft at the end of the month as
the engine holders and hope for improvement.
Aaa-the mileage is 246' now
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Lubo
Just a thought.
My (manual) 80 was getting quite difficult to drive smoothly last summer
because there was so much free play in the drive-line. While there were
no horrible noises coming from the back the slack made changing gear
smoothly very difficult.
I had the front CV joints changed because they were going "clonk" under
load when turning, and the difference to the drive-line was amazing: it
was like having a new car, with far less slack. So clearly worn CV
joints can be the cause of a lot of the "slop" in the drive-line.
If your CV joints are original, and particularly if they are making
clonking noises, I would recommend doing them first to see if it makes
any difference.
Christopher Bell
Devon, UK
1996 1HD-FT (manual, 132k miles =3D 211k km)
|Ugo -Hi!!!!
|that was the point: the propshaft splines is not good and
|though Toyota
|point it as possible replacement they say that it is not
|necessary-I could drive like that very long...As I wrote
|earlier Toyota said
|that all is combination of propshaft,transfer case and
|differentials and it
|will cost a lot to be repaired....
|But I'll take a chance and change that propshaft at the end of
|the month as
|the engine holders and hope for improvement.
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Chris
I don=B4t here any horrible noises and this slack do not exist if I
switch the cruise-control off and driving downhill,but uphill is
bad-the car almost jumps when releasing the cruise control or the gas pedal. But thanks for the clue-I=B4ll ask the Toyota guy if he knows
what CV joints are :)
cheers
Lubo
On Feb 10, 2007, at 3:07 PM, Christopher Bell wrote:
 
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Hi Lubo,
I have had problems with my the UJs on my front propshaft that first started
off as a sort of thudding noise when first going into gear or decellerating.
I wasn't that bothered about it, until (classically) after leaving home at
1am to go on a family holiday I started getting a lot of vibaration at the
front. If I decellerated rapidly or stopped, reversed a foot or so and then
went into drive the UJ would click and then the vibration would stop.
I drove to Scotland like this and back and when I returned I stripped the
Universal Joint and it was completely knackered - it must have been like
this for many 1000 miles, with the only symtom being the clunk noise when
going into drive or a similar noise when decellerating.
I should point out that I had checked the UJs the day before leaving but
couldn't detect any problems whilst they were on the vehicle.
Either you or your mechanic should remove both the front and rear propshafts
to check the UJs properly as well as to clean off and grease the splines
where the two halves of the propshaft join.
One common problem with propshafts is that people can over grease the
splines preventing the two halves from sliding back and forth - when driving
as the suspension compresses this puts extra pressure on the shafts out of
the transfer case and the shafts going into the axles.
Yes it is a bit of a pain to remove the propshafts, but worthwhile to give
them a proper inspection - it will also enable you to check the output
shafts on the transfer case and the input shafts on the axles - if the
problem isn't with the propshafts this should help narrow down the problem
you have.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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