[80] adjusting front alignment and poor tire wear

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Anthony,
U are correct regd alignment and I've no worries regd. tx box and strength
as this setup has been used by several (US) TLC owners before and if Robbie
(Antonson of Slee fame) says its ok - who am I 2 disagree with the TLC-God!
I know my front alignment is cuckoo as I've measured it recently and its way
off.
I've tried to adjust twice but cannot get the joints moving. Don't believe
they have ever been moved and its now a 9 year old truck with Scottish rust
factor!
I've used a propane torch on the joints but thing I need some hotter heat
(welding gear) so will await that.
Not sure after I've corrected the alignment that it will "feel" much better
as believe the tires are kinda knackered and unlikely they'll wear into new
groove :)
And how did u know I need to repack my birfs again ?
Lal
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed]
[mailto:[Email address removed]]On Behalf Of Anthony Graham
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 1:20 PM
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: RE: [ELCO] [80] mpg and Assin hubs
Brendan,
I think the reason that you are wearing your tyres as such is that front
wheel drive and all wheel drive are arranged with toe out geometry where as
rear wheel drive vehicles tend to have a toe in arrangement. You may need
to adjust things. Do you find there is more drive line slop and shunt etc
than before? The reason why I ask is that when I did the UJ joint on my
Landover I ran in 2 wheel drive for a short time with the diff locked and it
was most defiantly sloppy that is drive line shunt. My major concern was
for the Transfer box and the rear output struggling with twice the power
that it was designed for. I should imagine that a transfer box may come a
little bit more expensive that a set of birfields.
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Brendan Lally
Sent: 01 February 2005 19:56
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: [ELCO] [80] mpg and Assin hubs
Ok Matt,
Some stats on my 1996 US FZJ80-1FE with 116K on it. Auto and petrol and
owned since new.
Have mileage stats going all the way back and need to correlate and average
and all that stuff - and not done so.
However running Aisin hubs on front and dropped front driveshaft (hence 2wd)
with CDL switch before a long trip to San Diego at New Years.
One wife and three kids (ages 10,6,4). Some luggage (up to windows in rear),
Large tool boxs (normally in there)
Driving with 265/16 BFG's getting worn, have alignment issue on front (front
tires wear on inside) and DS front constantly needs its bearing retightened
(needs overhaul)). Pressure at 32-35 (for 4 psi increase). Speedometer
correct via GPS check.
No winch nor extra armour. Sliders with 1.5" lift. No roof rails.
Extra (empty) propane tanks (100L) where spare tire was underneath and spare
tire on swing out rear carrier.
1119 miles to get there
1269 coming back (Gill did some shopping)
total of 2388
Tried to maintain 85+mph on trip on the highway sections (but slower going
up long hills :)
Pushed the ton a few times but only down-hill and sure there was a wind
behind me and only for testing purposes and very short. Handling felt fine
but a little noiser/shakier.
Min=12.4/max=15.8/average=17.06
Havn't loaded up elevation profile from trip and may do that later (as going
from Denver 5500ft up over 11,000ft and down to sea level in San Diego)
2 trips since that did 12.5, 12.9 and then <1/2 tank(140 miles) for 15.5 mpg
All local stuff maybe 1 trip to Denver on each tank (80 mile round-trip)
Put back on front driveshaft (locked hubs) and local driving around town and
got 12.8mpg so looks as if it doesn't make much difference on the local
stuff (all flat)
So methinks I need a tune-up to see why getting such crap mpg on local stuff
:)
from The Lal
Brendan Lally
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Brendan,
Who doesn't need there b joints doing? Every vehicle has it week point they
are just one of the TLCs. Slee or no Slee it is on hell of a lot of strain
as I have said and the diff lock mechanism will also take a pounding. Good
luck with it in any case.
Not sure you are, Scotland is it or an escapee?
Anthony
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Brendan Lally
Sent: 01 February 2005 21:24
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: RE: [ELCO] [80] adjusting front alignment and poor tire wear
Anthony,
U are correct regd alignment and I've no worries regd. tx box and strength
as this setup has been used by several (US) TLC owners before and if Robbie
(Antonson of Slee fame) says its ok - who am I 2 disagree with the TLC-God!
I know my front alignment is cuckoo as I've measured it recently and its way
off.
I've tried to adjust twice but cannot get the joints moving. Don't believe
they have ever been moved and its now a 9 year old truck with Scottish rust
factor!
I've used a propane torch on the joints but thing I need some hotter heat
(welding gear) so will await that.
Not sure after I've corrected the alignment that it will "feel" much better
as believe the tires are kinda knackered and unlikely they'll wear into new
groove :)
And how did u know I need to repack my birfs again ?
Lal
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed]
[mailto:[Email address removed]]On Behalf Of Anthony Graham
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 1:20 PM
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: RE: [ELCO] [80] mpg and Assin hubs
Brendan,
I think the reason that you are wearing your tyres as such is that front
wheel drive and all wheel drive are arranged with toe out geometry where as
rear wheel drive vehicles tend to have a toe in arrangement. You may need
to adjust things. Do you find there is more drive line slop and shunt etc
than before? The reason why I ask is that when I did the UJ joint on my
Landover I ran in 2 wheel drive for a short time with the diff locked and it
was most defiantly sloppy that is drive line shunt. My major concern was
for the Transfer box and the rear output struggling with twice the power
that it was designed for. I should imagine that a transfer box may come a
little bit more expensive that a set of birfields.
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Brendan Lally
Sent: 01 February 2005 19:56
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: [ELCO] [80] mpg and Assin hubs
Ok Matt,
Some stats on my 1996 US FZJ80-1FE with 116K on it. Auto and petrol and
owned since new.
Have mileage stats going all the way back and need to correlate and average
and all that stuff - and not done so.
However running Aisin hubs on front and dropped front driveshaft (hence 2wd)
with CDL switch before a long trip to San Diego at New Years.
One wife and three kids (ages 10,6,4). Some luggage (up to windows in rear),
Large tool boxs (normally in there)
Driving with 265/16 BFG's getting worn, have alignment issue on front (front
tires wear on inside) and DS front constantly needs its bearing retightened
(needs overhaul)). Pressure at 32-35 (for 4 psi increase). Speedometer
correct via GPS check.
No winch nor extra armour. Sliders with 1.5" lift. No roof rails.
Extra (empty) propane tanks (100L) where spare tire was underneath and spare
tire on swing out rear carrier.
1119 miles to get there
1269 coming back (Gill did some shopping)
total of 2388
Tried to maintain 85+mph on trip on the highway sections (but slower going
up long hills :)
Pushed the ton a few times but only down-hill and sure there was a wind
behind me and only for testing purposes and very short. Handling felt fine
but a little noiser/shakier.
Min=12.4/max=15.8/average=17.06
Havn't loaded up elevation profile from trip and may do that later (as going
from Denver 5500ft up over 11,000ft and down to sea level in San Diego)
2 trips since that did 12.5, 12.9 and then <1/2 tank(140 miles) for 15.5 mpg
All local stuff maybe 1 trip to Denver on each tank (80 mile round-trip)
Put back on front driveshaft (locked hubs) and local driving around town and
got 12.8mpg so looks as if it doesn't make much difference on the local
stuff (all flat)
So methinks I need a tune-up to see why getting such crap mpg on local stuff
:)
from The Lal
Brendan Lally
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Hi Brendan
I had the same problem with mine and the toy garage told me that they were
using heat and three guys pulling on the bar but no good. They told me that
if I wanted it moved they could not say what would happen and did I want it
done. I ended up getting a new track bar cost I think about 250e.
John c
92 HDJ 80 1HD-T Ireland
 
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John,
but even if they couldn't get old track bar moved , how did they get the new
one on (and old one off)?
Either take by twisting (don't need new one) or cut it and then have to get
off rod-end joints)
So would need new rod-end's if got new bar as well?
Lal
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From: [Email address removed]
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Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:32 PM
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] [80] adjusting front alignment and poor tire wear
Hi Brendan
I had the same problem with mine and the toy garage told me that they were
using heat and three guys pulling on the bar but no good. They told me that
if I wanted it moved they could not say what would happen and did I want it
done. I ended up getting a new track bar cost I think about 250e.
John c
92 HDJ 80 1HD-T Ireland
 
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Hi there Brendan
Simple answer is I dont know how they did it , I saw the new track rod with
the sticker on it and the bar all nice shiny and black, but not for long
John C 92HTJ 80 1HD-T Ireland.
 
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Hi Brendan,
Soak in WD40 every day for a week and then take the whole thing off and stick
it in a vice and use a bloody big pair of stilsons - get them off eventually.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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