Cruiser weight? - Crash test results.

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Chas,
The briefest of "googles", that strange new verb; shows lots of hits
for: kerbweight landcruiser.
Quickly zipping through I noticed this -
http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/vehicles/ancap/toyota/landcruiser-2004.html
It gives a very detailed test result for a crash test on a euro spec
100 series, it seemed to do quite well.
Kerbweight is listed as - 2400 kg
More ammunition for someone seeking to go from an 80 to a 100 -
Julian?
Regards Gareth Jones.
 
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Hi Gareth,
Thanks for that, stupid me I didn't think of using Google, doh!
TTFN
Chas
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From: "Gareth Jones" <[Email address removed]>
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Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Cruiser weight? - Crash test results.
 
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Hi Gareth,
Don't need any more ammunition, it's a no brainer for me, just need to
find one now ;-)
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Julian Voelcker
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Hi Gareth,
That's the same one as last time.
Here a standard 80:
http://tinyurl.com/r75tb
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Julian Voelcker
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I don't know how favourable that result is when you look at the detail.
The side impact test got 16 default full score as the test didn't cover
4x4's, all I know is I would prefer not to be t-boned by a Yaris or anything
else. The X5 was subjected to the side impact and scored 16, it also scored
12.66 on the frontal offset, even a 2002 LR RR scored 11.866 on frontal and
16 on side.
Just looking at the frontal offset results.
The 100 scored 8.9;
Fiat Punto 13.6
BMW 1 Seris 13.77
Vectra 12.1
SAAB 93 13.15
Audi A6 13.30
Vectra, SAAB and Audi all got full or nearly full marks on the side impact
test.
The low pedestrian score (zero for children) will impact insurance cover.
I know the LC has more mass but the additional space should be made to work
better than that - of course it should be an improvement on the 80 series
and yes I do worry about what motorways will be like once I get my FJ45 on
the road.
Malcolm Bagley
Stafford, UK
1975 FJ45 Pickup (In Work)
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-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Gareth Jones
Sent: 28 September 2006 12:08
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Cruiser weight? - Crash test results.
Chas,
The briefest of "googles", that strange new verb; shows lots of hits
for: kerbweight landcruiser.
Quickly zipping through I noticed this -
http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/vehicles/ancap/toyota/landcruiser-2004.html
It gives a very detailed test result for a crash test on a euro spec
100 series, it seemed to do quite well.
Kerbweight is listed as - 2400 kg
More ammunition for someone seeking to go from an 80 to a 100 -
Julian?
Regards Gareth Jones.

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Thanks Julian,
Apologies for sending the 100 series results twice.
We can see that the 100 series mirrors the overall improvements in
vehicle safety from the 80 series which I guess would have started its
design life and early prototypes in the early 1980s
The late model 80s with dual airbags will doubtless be somewhere
between the two.
I would agree with Malcolm that none are as good as modern saloons but
unfortunately no modern saloon will tow my trailer up a steep muddy bank
like my 80 will.
The next step for me will be a 100 series but it will be a fairly basic
one, cloth seats and shameless luddite that I am - manual trans and
definitely not active suspension.
Gareth Jones. '97 1-HDFT.
 
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On 9/28/06, Malcolm Bagley <[Email address removed]> wrote:
Malcolm,
Just accept your LC is not absolutely perfect in every respect, just
very good :).
You should be even more worried by lorries and coaches. They are
absolutely below zero in this respect. So what do insurance companies
do about it?
So, considering the 80 is not a compact saloon car but more like a mid
size delivery van, it does pretty well, doesn't it?
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
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I do accept that the LC is not perfect but know they are very good.
Sad thing is, making the LC safer on the roads and safer for pedestrians
will probably add complication, weight and detract from it's performance off
road - hence the models available in the 'developing' world will diverge
from the markets like the UK.
Actually 16 was the maximum for the side impact, I am sure if the 100 was
tested it would score 16, as the X5 was tested I don't know why the LC
wasn't. Shows the limitation of the tests, from the accidents I have seen
on the motorway the most likely scenario is being spun across the lanes by a
foreign (LHD) truck and then smashed from anywhere, side, front or back.
Trucks and coaches are a problem, but they spend less time driving through
residential areas than cars, vans an 4x4's, operators also pay insurance
rates that reflect that.
Malcolm Bagley
Stafford, UK
1975 FJ45 Pickup (In Work)
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From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Roman
Sent: 28 September 2006 12:48
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Cruiser weight? - Crash test results.
On 9/28/06, Malcolm Bagley <[Email address removed]> wrote:
Malcolm,
Just accept your LC is not absolutely perfect in every respect, just
very good :).
You should be even more worried by lorries and coaches. They are
absolutely below zero in this respect. So what do insurance companies
do about it?
So, considering the 80 is not a compact saloon car but more like a mid
size delivery van, it does pretty well, doesn't it?
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80

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On 29/9/06 8:44 pm, "Reno Lamb" wrote:
?????
Go on then, Reno. Explain.
Is that a Reno quote or someone even more famous? :)
Neill Watson
"Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not all out to get
you"
 
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I think Reno un/intentioanlly left out the rest of the quote:
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your
accordion. You just leave a lot of useless noisy baggage behind."
- Jed Babbin, former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense
Go figure.......
Anjam
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Sent: 29 September 2006 21:11
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Subject: Re: [ELCO] Cruiser weight? - Crash test results.
On 29/9/06 8:44 pm, "Reno Lamb" wrote:
?????
Go on then, Reno. Explain.
Is that a Reno quote or someone even more famous? :)
Neill Watson
"Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not all out to get
you"
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Hi Reno,
Probably not the most sensible thing to post on a European based list,
although it does more to belittle the Americans than criticise the
French.
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Julian Voelcker
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Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Go on, get wifey the 100, she will be more comfortable and safer than you in the 80 and then when nobody is looking I am sure she will let you drive it so you can see how capable it is with the IFS.
Cheers,
Julian
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From: "Reno Lamb" <[Email address removed]>
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Cruiser weight? - Crash test results.
Any info on converting 100s from poofter IFS to a muscular solid axle?
 
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Hi Guys
what's that 'IFS'?
Lubo
On Sep 30, 2006, at 10:06 PM, Julian Voelcker wrote:
> with the IFS
 
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Hi Lubomir,
Independent front suspension.
80 series have a SFA - solid front axle, 100 series are more like
normal road cars with a central diff and then the two front wheels
moving independently of each other.
The IFS provides a smoother ride on and off road however you don't get
the articulation that you get with a fixed front axle which is
generally only required with severe off roading conditions.
Most 90, 100 and 120 series LC are IFS, although there are exceptions
like the 105, which is a 3rd world version of the 100 series with solid
axles front and rear.
At the back end the 90, 100 and 120s have solid axles like the 80
series.
A few people in the 4x4 world believe a 4x4 with IFS is a 'poofter'
choice (to coin Reno's phrase), however there are drivers out in Aus,
the US etc who are happily disproving this theory by tackiling some of
the extreme outback trails in Aus or hard trails in the US like the
Rubicon and easily keeping up with, and in some places doing better
than older vehicles with solid front axles.
I guess it just comes down to the driver's abilities ;-)
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Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
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Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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On 10/2/06, Reno Lamb <[Email address removed]> wrote:
Reno,
The cars used for rock climbing and Paris-Dakar are completely
different things. What they definitely have in common is this - four
wheels, but certainly not suspension They are bult and used in
entirely difrerent ways, Therefore, IFS used on the P-D rally bears
little if any relevance to the robustness of this type of suspension
in other conditions. The better P-D vehicles are even 2WD.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
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Hi Reno,
If you monitor the LCool 100 and 120 series lists as well as even
ih8mud you will soon come across a stack of Aussies and Yanks talking
about taking their IFS LC across the outback ar to Moab or the Rubicon.
Yes, the 100s and 120s need some work done to them to make them as
capable as the other vehicles going on those routes, but few if any of
them are stock as well.
Also the latter 100s etc have leant towards electronics and hydraulic
style suspension like the active suspension, but generally best to pull
that off if you want it to be truly capable.
Don't worry, it is a learning curve. I had several strips taken off me
on the 100 list when I, like you, some time ago naively suggested that
IFS = not capable. Not only was I given numerous examples proving me
wrong, but then when I think about it most of the local game keepers
and farmers are predominantly using ISUZU Troopers and Hiluxes around
here and put them through their paces every day and they are all IFS.
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Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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