Paul,
I've currently got a '95 (M Reg) 1HZ Landcruiser that's done 116,000 miles
which I originally bought to drive down through Africa to Cape Town. Due to
unforeseen circumstances (baby!) I have however had to postpone the plans
and am looking to sell the car. Since I bought it three years ago I've had
fitted (all through Frogs Island 4x4) Old Man Emu shocks, Safari snorkel and
breather pipes, turbo charger, new radiator and solar tinting. Although I
see that you're anti the turbo it does make a huge difference to the general
performance of the truck. This model also has the split rear doors rather
than the drop down tail gate of the UK models. If you're interested in
buying it or would like to see further details please email me on
[Email address removed]
Chris
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Subject: Re: [ELCO] 3rd world spec 80 series - where to buy?
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Hey Lubo,
I=3DB9ve looked on Mobile.de in the past and the =3D8Ccruisers seem even more
expensive than here in the UK!
I think that=3DB9s because Germany has a huge vehicle export industry to
Africa=3D
,
Russia and other developing countries.
I=3DB9m having frustrations at the moment, because I saw some cheap 4.5
petrols
a few months ago and could do nothing about it. Now I=3DB9m in the market, all
the vehicles seem to be going crazy. Typical....
Neill Watson
On 6/11/06 3:34 pm, "Renate Haupt" wrote:
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ubo,
I’ve looked on Mobile.de in the past and the ‘cruisers seem eve=3D
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I think that’s because Germany has a huge vehicle export industry to =3D
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I’m having frustrations at the moment, because I saw some cheap 4.5 p=3D
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Neill Watson
On 6/11/06 3:34 pm, "Renate Haupt" wrote:
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</FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial">
</FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">sometimes comes VERY GOOD anonces for them-right
=3D
now there are 3 offers to chose from!!!!!
</FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial">
</FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">cheers
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Subject: RE: [ELCO] 3rd world spec 80 series - where to buy?
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 18:45:35 -0000
From: "Christopher Bell" <[Email address removed]>
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
Neill
=3D20
Isn't G Brown Esq due to produce a pre-budget statement soon? I have a
suspicion that if you hang on a bit petrol 4x4s could suddenly become
quite a lot cheaper (and possibly diesel ones too).
=3D20
Christopher Bell
________________________________
From: [Email address removed]
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Sent: 06 November 2006 18:24
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] 3rd world spec 80 series - where to buy?
=3D09
=3D09
Hey Lubo,
=3D09
I've looked on Mobile.de in the past and the 'cruisers seem even
more expensive than here in the UK!
=3D09
I think that's because Germany has a huge vehicle export
industry to Africa, Russia and other developing countries.
=3D09
I'm having frustrations at the moment, because I saw some cheap
4=3D2E5 petrols a few months ago and could do nothing about it. Now I'm in
the market, all the vehicles seem to be going crazy. Typical....
=3D09
Neill Watson
=3D09
=3D09
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From: "Lubomir Kolev" <[Email address removed]>
Subject: Re: [ELCO] 3rd world spec 80 series - where to buy?
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 20:06:13 +0100
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3rd world spec 80 series - where to buy?Renate
actually I was born in Bulgaria and sometimes look at 'mobile.bg' and =3D
for my surprise you can find Cruisers cheaper than in
Germany though they've been imported from Germany....sh..t happens,don't =3D
it?
cheers
Lubo
----- Original Message -----=3D20
From: Renate Haupt=3D20
To: [Email address removed]=3D20
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 6:42 PM
Subject: RE: [ELCO] 3rd world spec 80 series - where to buy?
Lubo
I will even give you lot at elco insider information (you might have =3D
to pay me for the privilege though...)
Hey! I could get together with other 'foreign language speakers' on =3D
elco and we could do a great business deal together...
Cheers
R.
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] =3D
[mailto:[Email address removed]]On Behalf Of Lubomir Kolev
Sent: 06 November 2006 17:15
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] 3rd world spec 80 series - where to buy?
)))))))))))))))))))))))))
----- Original Message -----=3D20
From: Renate Haupt=3D20
To: [Email address removed]=3D20
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: [ELCO] 3rd world spec 80 series - where to buy?
Dankeschoen Lubo!
He he he!=3D20
Spech't Deutsche so I'm fine....now I know exactly how much I will =3D
pay for a spec'd vehicle to my liking!!
Renate
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] =3D
[mailto:[Email address removed]]On Behalf Of Lubomir Kolev
Sent: 06 November 2006 15:02
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] 3rd world spec 80 series - where to buy?
Hi Paul
have a look at
www.mobile.de
sometimes comes VERY GOOD anonces for them-right now there are 3 =3D
offers to chose from!!!!!
cheers
Lubo
----- Original Message -----=3D20
From: Venter, Paul (NL - Amsterdam)=3D20
To: [Email address removed]=3D20
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 11:34 AM
Subject: RE: [ELCO] 3rd world spec 80 series - where to buy?
Thanks Lubo
I'll have a look in Germany - do you perhaps have any names of =3D
dealers?
Left hand drive won't be a problem as we also drive on the =3D
(wrong) side of the car here in Holland...
My thoughts for getting a right hand drive were:
1) I am playing with the idea of registering the car in the =3D
UK to save on license fees/road tax (here in Holland around EUR 1200 per =3D
year)
2) If I move back to South Africa I can take the car with me - =3D
it's illegal to import used left had drive cars to SA :-(
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From: [Email address removed] =3D
[mailto:[Email address removed]] On Behalf Of Lubomir Kolev
Sent: 06 November 2006 11:15
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] 3rd world spec 80 series - where to buy?
Paul
you can find those cars in Germany,but you know they are left =3D
handed drivers............
cheers
Lubo
----- Original Message -----=3D20
From: Venter, Paul (NL - Amsterdam)=3D20
To: [Email address removed]=3D20
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:59 AM
Subject: [ELCO] 3rd world spec 80 series - where to buy?
Hi all!=3D20
I'm starting to look at an 80 series as an upgrade from my =3D
previous 75 series troopie. I'm a strong believer in the KISS (keep it =3D
simple stupid) principle and therefore would prefer a vehicle with as =3D
few fancy gadgets as possible (in my view the more gadgets/technology, =3D
the more potential breakdowns that I can't fix myself in the bundus).
Basically what I am looking for is an oldish 80 series with =3D
manual gearbox and an 1HZ 4.2 diesel (non-turbo) engine. =3D20
Does anyone on the forum know of a place in Europe/UK where =3D
one could get this type of vehicle?=3D20
Were the 80 series ever sold in Europe/UK with the 1HZ =3D
engines? It seems to me as if all the diesel 80 series I see advertised =3D
in the UK/Europe are equipped with the TD engines.
If these vehicles are hard to come by, how difficult (and =3D
how expensive) would it be to buy an old 80 series with a busted TD =3D
engine and fit a 1HZ? Any places that can be recommended to do this =3D
type of conversion?
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D3D182014017-06112006><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2>I =3D
will even=3D20
give you lot at elco insider information (you might have to pay me for =3D
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privilege though...)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D3D182014017-06112006><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff =3D
size=3D3D2>Hey! I=3D20
could get together with other 'foreign language speakers' on elco and =3D
we could=3D20
do a great business deal together...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D3D182014017-06112006><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff=3D20
size=3D3D2>Cheers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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</A>=3D20
[mailto:[Email address removed]]
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Kolev
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D3D814480615-06112006><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D
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size=3D3D2>Dankeschoen Lubo!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D3D814480615-06112006><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff =3D
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D3D814480615-06112006><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff =3D
size=3D3D2>Spech't=3D20
Deutsche so I'm fine....now I know exactly how much I will pay for =3D
a=3D20
spec'd vehicle to my liking!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D3D814480615-06112006><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff=3D20
size=3D3D2>Renate</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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=3D
href=3D3D"mailto:[Email address removed]">[Email address removed]=3D
</A>=3D20
[mailto:[Email address removed]]
On Behalf Of Lubomir =3D
Kolev
Sent: 06 November 2006 15:02
To: <A=3D20
=3D
href=3D3D"mailto:[Email address removed]">[Email address removed]</A>
S=3D
ubject:=3D20
Re: [ELCO] 3rd world spec 80 series - where to =3D
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<DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hi Paul</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>have a look at <A=3D20
href=3D3D"http://www.mobile.de">www.mobile.de</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>sometimes comes VERY GOOD =3D
anonces for=3D20
them-right now there are 3 offers to chose =3D
from!!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>cheers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Lubo</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=[Email address removed] =3D
href=3D3D"mailto:[Email address removed]">Venter,=3D20
Paul (NL - Amsterdam)</A> </DIV>
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To: <A=3D20
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Sent: Monday, November =3D
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class=3D3D132223110-06112006><FONT=3D20
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Lubo</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=3D3D132223110-06112006><FONT=3D20
face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2>I'll have a look in =3D
Germany - do you=3D20
perhaps have any names of dealers?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=3D3D132223110-06112006><FONT=3D20
face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#0000ff =3D
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class=3D3D132223110-06112006><FONT=3D20
face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2>Left hand drive won't be =3D
a=3D20
problem as we also drive on the (wrong) side of the =3D
car here=3D20
in Holland...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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drive were:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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with the idea of=3D20
registering the car in the UK to save on license fees/road tax =3D
(here=3D20
in Holland around EUR 1200 per year)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I'm starting to look at an 80 =3D
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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 08:40:20 +1300
From: Craig Vincent <[Email address removed]>
Subject: Re: [ELCO] 3rd world spec 80 series - where to buy?
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Hi Paul,
I will only comment on one point the engine. The 1HZ might be a
reasonable plodder but due to it being indirect injection (IDI) it is
not very fuel efficient (on a kW's/L of fuel burnt basis) it dumps a lot
of soot into the oil, due to the nature of combustion it creates a lot
of thermal stress on the head which if your injectors are a little
scruffy will cause it to crack. The cooling system has to work much
harder as the thermal losses with the IDI motor are much higher. The oil
has to be changed every 5000km otherwise soot loading becomes that great
that wear begins to accelerate very fast.
Factory turbo is direct inection, yes it has a turbo but so what diesel
and turbo are like wine & cheese or air and breathing the two are a
match made in heaven. The specific fuel consumption is much better it is
a watercooled turbo and diesel turbo's don't run very hot compared to
petrols (not much over 650=BAC when working very hard versus 950=BAC for a
petrol) the engine runs so clean you can often push oil change intervals
to 30-50,000km or beyond (with good oil and routine oil analysis and
regular filter changes). The cooling system is stressed much less
because of the much higher thermal efficiency of the DI engine. I know I
will NEVER own a IDI engine ever again.
If in the middle of nowhere I would be much happy to know I have the
ability to if I have to cover 20,000km of hard driving and only spin a
fresh oil filter at 10,000km (versus four oil changes and still know the
engine is wearing faster), if I come up against some steep terrain I can
waft up it on the big mid range torque of the turbo instead of having to
thrash the living hell out of the 1HZ to get some grunt. If it all turns
to custard and I have to do a runner from bandits or something in some
third world country I know I can very rapidly head straight to 100mph
plus if the terrain is smooth enough and outrun most other 4wd's.
But it is your call.
Cheers,
Craig Vincent
HDJ80 VX LTD Auto, 11/96
Maartens transcooler, Sport turbo & intercooler, Rodney's Extreme II
Valvebody, 3.5" Flowmaster muffler, Walbro 6065, Bilsteins, pyro temp,
boost pressure, pre & post intercooler temp gauges, & transtemp gauges.
Custom 4" exhaust tube snorkel.
Christchurch,
New Zealand.
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Hi Paul,
I will only comment on one point the engine. The 1HZ might be a
reasonable plodder but due to it being indirect injection (IDI) it is
not very fuel efficient (on a kW's/L of fuel burnt basis) it dumps a
lot of soot into the oil, due to the nature of combustion it creates a
lot of thermal stress on the head which if your injectors are a little
scruffy will cause it to crack. The cooling system has to work much
harder as the thermal losses with the IDI motor are much higher. The
oil has to be changed every 5000km otherwise soot loading becomes that
great that wear begins to accelerate very fast.
Factory turbo is direct inection, yes it has a turbo but so what diesel
and turbo are like wine & cheese or air and breathing the two are a
match made in heaven. The specific fuel consumption is much better it
is a watercooled turbo and diesel turbo's don't run very hot compared
to petrols (not much over 650ºC when working very hard versus
950ºC for
a petrol) the engine runs so clean you can often push oil change
intervals to 30-50,000km or beyond (with good oil and routine oil
analysis and regular filter changes). The cooling system is stressed
much less because of the much higher thermal efficiency of the DI
engine. I know I will NEVER own a IDI engine ever again.
If in the middle of nowhere I would be much happy to know I have the
ability to if I have to cover 20,000km of hard driving and only spin a
fresh oil filter at 10,000km (versus four oil changes and still know
the engine is wearing faster), if I come up against some steep terrain
I can waft up it on the big mid range torque of the turbo instead of
having to thrash the living hell out of the 1HZ to get some grunt. If
it all turns to custard and I have to do a runner from bandits or
something in some third world country I know I can very rapidly head
straight to 100mph plus if the terrain is smooth enough and
outrun
most other 4wd's.
But it is your call.
Cheers,
Craig Vincent
HDJ80 VX LTD Auto, 11/96
Maartens transcooler, Sport turbo & intercooler, Rodney's Extreme
II Valvebody, 3.5" Flowmaster muffler,
Walbro 6065, Bilsteins, pyro temp, boost pressure, pre & post
intercooler temp gauges, &
transtemp gauges. Custom 4" exhaust tube snorkel.
Christchurch,
New Zealand.
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<font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Hi all!</font>
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<font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">I'm starting to look at an 80 series
as an upgrade from my previous 75 series troopie. I'm a strong
believer in the KISS (keep it simple stupid) principle and therefore
would prefer a vehicle with as few fancy gadgets as possible (in my
view the more gadgets/technology, the more potential breakdowns that I
can't fix myself in the bundus).</font></p>
<font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Basically what I am looking for is an
oldish 80 series with manual gearbox and an 1HZ 4.2 diesel (non-turbo)
engine. </font>
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<font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Does anyone on the forum know of a
place in Europe/UK where one could get this type of vehicle?</font>
</p>
<font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Were the 80 series ever sold in
Europe/UK with the 1HZ engines? It seems to me as if all the diesel 80
series I see advertised in the UK/Europe are equipped with the TD
engines.</font></p>
<font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">If these vehicles are hard to come by,
how difficult (and how expensive) would it be to buy an old 80 series
with a busted TD engine and fit a 1HZ? Any places that can be
recommended to do this type of conversion?</font></p>
<font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Any advise and/or tips will be
appreciated.</font>
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From: "John Byrne" <[Email address removed]>
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Tyres
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:56:40 -0000
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
Hi Niall
How did you do that with the tyre.
Is the road tyre the same size as the other three.
Only asking cause its unuasal to see a road tyre mixed in with ATS is it
not.
It is very unlikely that everyone goes out and buys four tyres at once.
Sure this is what you would do if you changed a flat for the spare would it
not.
I would be very cautious about keeping the road tyre on with the other ATS
cause they will work differently and your tyres are the only contact you
have with the road to stop the 2 plus Tons.
cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
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From: "John Byrne" <[Email address removed]>
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Overland Spares
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 20:11:57 -0000
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
Hi Guys
Ok I know there are pro's and con's to having a trailer when going on a
trip.
But is there anyone who knows what the list of these pro's and con's are so
you can make the best decision.
I would think if you bring a trailer the inclination would be to bring more
stuff with you cause you have more space to fill between the cruiser and the
trailer.
Also I know the idea would be to devide the weight between the cruiser and
trailer but if you carry more weight as a result is it worth it.
I know by sharing the load between the cruiser and the trailer you reduce
the pressure on the springs and shocks of the cruiser and maybe other parts
of the cruiser.
But is this reduced spring/shock pressure on the cruiser being paid for in
other areas, like extra drag, extra pressure on drivetrain.
Really is it better to carry or drag a weight or does it make no differance
at all.
cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 20:30:21 -0000
Subject: Re: [ELCO] anuvver test email - sorry!
From: Julian Voelcker <[Email address removed]>
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
Hi Renate,
I have put a 100k limit on posts to make it easier for those not on
broaband.
If you are trying to send an image send it to me and I'll shrink it to
a sensible size.
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Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:27:15 +0000
From: Graham & Lucinda Smith <[Email address removed]>
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Overland Spares
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
Hi John
My thoughts on this and how I have justified the trailer:
weight redistribution - you probably do carry more, but my roof rack
will be almost empty, so the weight will have a lower centre of gravity.
I feel it is important not to over pack just because one has a
trailer... Once I have packed I will take some photos and you can
compare with other overland photos. (this will make me keep to my
intention.. ;-) )
with the trailer I can leave it in camp, and disappear seriously off
road for the day and really play (or go grocery shopping)- with a roof
top tent, and fuel etc stored on the rack, this would not be as easy, or
as successful.
I really think that choice of trailer is important. I looked at
every type of trailer, then settled on 3 manufacturers of dedicated off
road trailers, finally setting on Desert Wolf because I believe it to be
the best. I think that one must have a trailer which is at least a match
for our vehicles. I think a poorly or under designed trailer would be
more of a hindrance than a help.
A few specs from my trailer: Empty weight (still has tent and kitchen)
380kg, Max loaded weight 1500kg, the axle capacity 2500kg, the draw bar
(Alko) has 3500kg capacity. The ground clearance is 50cm, it has wheels
off a Discovery!!! (Spot the weak point - when I get to South Africa I
am going to see if I can get the axle swapped for a LandCruiser one)
I have pulled it off road and could not feel any noticeable
difference. At 55mph it really isn't there. I feel it once I go above
65mph and more so over 75mph... but if I am doing this in Africa I
deserve to spend time in jail as some poor pedestrian would land up
walking into the road. I have not pulled it consistently enough to
compare fuel consumption yet.
The only disadvantage I anticipate is in soft sand - It must be a
bit of an anchor... but I expect the torque of the LC to pull through.
It will be interesting for me to read this mail at the end..., and
then comment
Regards
Graham.
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From: "Anjam Sohail" <[Email address removed]>
Subject: RE: [ELCO] Overland Spares
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 23:04:17 -0000
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
Graham,
If you don't mind me asking what kind of costs are we looking at for one of
these?
Anjam
(Being nosey)
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From: "John Byrne" <[Email address removed]>
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Overland Spares
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 00:29:36 -0000
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
Hi Graham
Ok fair enough, some really good points.
What distance do you expect to cover on road/tarmac,
off road/ gravel dirt etc.
Im not by any means trying to find fault with your idea its just I have
questions that once they enter my head I like to get rid of them if I can.
What did you expect the weight on the roof rack to be if you did not take a
trailer and what weight to carry in the cruiser.
If you take a trailer what way will this differ including the actual weight
of the trailer.
Pics would be great if you can.
So can you just change the axle from the one on it to an 80 cruiser one
without fuss.
If it has that good a ground clearance does that not make it easier to
topple or is that down to the loading.
Why is the one axle on the trailer concidered to be good when two would take
the weight off the rear of the cruiser.
cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 05:04:04 +0000
From: Graham & Lucinda Smith <[Email address removed]>
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Overland Spares
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Hi John
No problem with the questions, I have asked myself the same things along
the way, and you may ,ake me think of something I have missed...
(answers in blue in your text)
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Hi John
No problem with the questions, I have asked myself the same things
along the way, and you may ,ake me think of something I have missed...
(answers in blue in your text)
John Byrne wrote:
<blockquote cite=3D"mid002601c70204$04701ed0$2101a8c0@johepc" type=3D"cite"Graham
Ok fair enough, some really good points.
What distance do you expect to cover on road/tarmac,
off road/ gravel dirt etc.
<font color=3D"#3333ff">Absoulutely no idea - we dont have a time limit
or a final destination, our trip ends when we have had enough or the
money runs out. From past experience I would say 50:50 tar/dirt, but
that is just a wild guess.</font>
Im not by any means trying to find fault with your idea its just I have
questions that once they enter my head I like to get rid of them if I
can.
What did you expect the weight on the roof rack to be if you did not
take a trailer and what weight to carry in the cruiser.
<font color=3D"#3333ff">Looking at some of the racks I would guess they
put 100 -150kg on the top, plus 300 -500kg inside, plus water tank and
extra fuel tank (200kg) =3D 600 - 850kg. ( I would be interested in other
peoples opinions on my guesstimates) Has anyone weighed their vehicle
before and after packing. Where can you go to get a vehicle weighed?,
Id love to know the exact weight of my vehicle before I fill her
up.</font>
If you take a trailer what way will this differ including the actual
weight of the trailer.
<font color=3D"#3333ff">I guess 850 kg plus 380kg(trailer) =3D
1200kg.</font>
Pics would be great if you can.
<font color=3D"#3333ff">There are some pictures on my website
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href=3D"http://www.sfo.me.uk">www.sfo.me.uk</a> go to photos then
Camping trailer and it should take you
to my photobucket.</font>
So can you just change the axle from the one on it to an 80 cruiser one
without fuss.
<font color=3D"#3333ff">Yes, looking at it it should be a straight
swap. The bar etc is the same just the stub axle at each end is fitted
for either a LandRover, Nissan, Toyota LC, Toyota Surf (4Runner)
etc.</font>
If it has that good a ground clearance does that not make it easier to
topple or is that down to the loading.
<font color=3D"#3333ff">No, you will topple the vehicle before the
trailer. The fuel and water tanks plus the batteries (in my case 2 x
105Ahr) are all located at the bottom, in fact the case that holds them
is the base of the trailer, so all the sigfifiacnt weight is at the
bottom so it has a low centre of gravity.</font>
Why is the one axle on the trailer concidered to be good when two would
take the weight off the rear of the cruiser.
cheers
<font color=3D"#3333ff">When towing you always need some weight in the
drawbar. The recommendation is a minimum of 50kg for tar use and more
for off road use. I estimate my drawbar weight to be 70kg unladen and
120kg fully laden ( that is with water and fuel tanks full). Now on an
operational point - I dont intend to carry 85kg of diesel around with
me for fun, I am only going to fill the tank in cheap diesel countries
and where I am going to be well off the beaten track.</font>
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 05:12:25 +0000
From: Graham & Lucinda Smith <[Email address removed]>
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Overland Spares
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
Hi Anjam
It is pretty variable, and it depends on how much stainless steel and
what grade stainless steel is used.
It also depends on the add-ons you put on.
The cheapest trailer, from the cheapest manufacturer is about =A33500 and
if you went out and bought the top spec trailer from the most expensive
manufacturer don't expect much change from =A320 000, but you get what you
pay for.
I bought mine second hand and so did not spend this much.
Regards
Graham
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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 04:09:50 -0500
From: "Niall Sommers" <[Email address removed]>
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Tyres
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
Alright John
Rekon the tyre was under inflated and I hit a stone or something in the
ditch.
Bought 4 new tyres this time last year. The old ones were road spec, so
kept the best one for the spare.
I read somewhere that if you have odd size tyres or tyres with
different wear on an axel you will damage the diff. Not sure if this is
the case. But perhaps thats why the LC manual says to rotate the tyres
(including the spare) every 5K km - to keep the wear even?
Anyway, Intend to replace both front with new keeping the half worn for
spare.
So the front axel will have 2 new BFG AT, the back will have 2 half
worn BFG AT. Hopefully this will not have any adverse effect on the
diff.....
Cheers
Niall
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Subject: RE: [ELCO] 3rd world spec 80 series - where to buy?
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:19:38 +0100
From: "Venter, Paul (NL - Amsterdam)" <[Email address removed]>
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Hi Craig
=3D20
Your points are all valid, but yes, the 1HZ is a personal preference for =3D
me (I had one, it took me to great places without ever giving problems, a=3D
nd a couple of my relatives use them on their farms with up to 500k km's =3D
on them without any major engine work required). =3D20
=3D20
You do bring up a couple of facts complicating my decision. I thought th=3D
e decision was as simple as:
TD engines have risk of BEB's failing (I'll be looking at an older 80 ser=3D
ies), 1HZ have risk of cracked head. Not much I can do to prefent BEB fa=3D
ilure (except replacing them, which is expensive), but I can keep a watch=3D
on engine temps and thereby prevent a cracked head, therefore the 1HZ wa=3D
s the obvious choice for me. Speed and power are not considerations for =3D
me, as the only times I feel that the 1HZ does not produce enough power f=3D
or my needs as on highways. Offroad, I've never felt that I needed more =3D
power as the 1HZ has more than enough torque to get me through all obtacl=3D
es I've had to get through so far.
=3D20
My technical knowledge stops short of any major engine work. I can keep =3D
the car running under most conditions, except if something is seriously w=3D
rong with the engine in which case I would need to rely on the local mech=3D
anics. In Africa the guys know the 1HZ very well, but since the TD engin=3D
es are for the most part not sold in African countries, I'm scared to see=3D
what they may do if they have to do any work on a TD engine. Now I know=3D
cruiser engines can last (almost) forever, but I don't trust this Murphy=3D
guy...
The availability of spare parts is also a strong consideration - with the=3D
1HZ chances are I can walk into any Toyota dealer in Africa and buy spar=3D
e parts off the shelf which means I won't have to halt my trip for a week=3D
or two waiting for spare parts (invariably waiting in a big city where I=3D
could have been spending time in the bush). =3D20
=3D20
The regular oil changes are a major schlepp though. It's really a pain i=3D
n the butt to have to change the oil every now and again on a trip. I as=3D
sumed it would be the same with the TD engines, but you've just thrown in=3D
a big plus point for the TD engines. Mmmm... 20 000km between oil chan=3D
ges would mean no oil change (or one at most, depending on route taken) b=3D
etween UK and Cape Town...
=3D20
The additional power would also be nice, although I've become used to jus=3D
t taking it easy up steep hills. As far as outrunning bandits - I doubt =3D
that even the TD engines would be faster than an AK47 bullet.... ;-) =3D20
The majority of bandits use cruiser pickups with the very same 1HZ engine=3D
(with last oil change probably the day before it was bought/stolen), so =3D
in theory if I have a bit of a headstart, I should at least be able to st=3D
ay ahead of them with my 1HZ with new oil... ;-)
=3D20
=3D20
Now my turn to bombard you with a couple of questions (hope you don't min=3D
d):
1) Why does an IDI engine produce more thermal stress on the engine's hea=3D
d? I've heard of 1HZ engines failing due to cracked heads, but never rec=3D
eived an explanation that went any further than to say that the head crac=3D
ked due to overheating. I didn't realise it related to the way in which =3D
an IDI works.
=3D20
2) You mention that with an IDI more soot ends up in the oil. I always t=3D
hought the only way for soot to end up in the oil is through the gap betw=3D
een the piston and cilinder walls, and that this will only start happenin=3D
g once the engine starts wearing out. If I understand you correctly, an =3D
IDI engine will dump large amounts of soot in the oil, even when new, whe=3D
reas a DI engine will not do this?
=3D20
3) This may be a really dumb question, but it seems to me that DI diesels=3D
produce a louder clacking sound than IDI engines (not quite sure how to =3D
express the sound in words, but what I mean is the sound of the engine se=3D
ems to be louder, especially under acceleration). Why is this?
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paul
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From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] =3D
On Behalf Of Craig Vincent
Sent: 06 November 2006 20:40
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] 3rd world spec 80 series - where to buy?
Hi Paul,
I will only comment on one point the engine. The 1HZ might be a reasonabl=3D
e plodder but due to it being indirect injection (IDI) it is not very fue=3D
l efficient (on a kW's/L of fuel burnt basis) it dumps a lot of soot into=3D
the oil, due to the nature of combustion it creates a lot of thermal str=3D
ess on the head which if your injectors are a little scruffy will cause i=3D
t to crack. The cooling system has to work much harder as the thermal los=3D
ses with the IDI motor are much higher. The oil has to be changed every 5=3D
000km otherwise soot loading becomes that great that wear begins to accel=3D
erate very fast.
Factory turbo is direct inection, yes it has a turbo but so what diesel a=3D
nd turbo are like wine & cheese or air and breathing the two are a match =3D
made in heaven. The specific fuel consumption is much better it is a wate=3D
rcooled turbo and diesel turbo's don't run very hot compared to petrols (=3D
not much over 650=3DC2=3DBAC when working very hard versus 950=3DC2=3DBAC for a p=3D
etrol) the engine runs so clean you can often push oil change intervals t=3D
o 30-50,000km or beyond (with good oil and routine oil analysis and regul=3D
ar filter changes). The cooling system is stressed much less because of t=3D
he much higher thermal efficiency of the DI engine. I know I will NEVER o=3D
wn a IDI engine ever again.=3D20
If in the middle of nowhere I would be much happy to know I have the abi=3D
lity to if I have to cover 20,000km of hard driving and only spin a fresh=3D
oil filter at 10,000km (versus four oil changes and still know the engin=3D
e is wearing faster), if I come up against some steep terrain I can waft =3D
up it on the big mid range torque of the turbo instead of having to thras=3D
h the living hell out of the 1HZ to get some grunt. If it all turns to cu=3D
stard and I have to do a runner from bandits or something in some third w=3D
orld country I know I can very rapidly head straight to 100mph plus if th=3D
e terrain is smooth enough and outrun most other 4wd's.
But it is your call.
Cheers,
Craig Vincent
HDJ80 VX LTD Auto, 11/96
Maartens transcooler, Sport turbo & intercooler, Rodney's Extreme II Valv=3D
ebody, 3.5" Flowmaster muffler, Walbro 6065, Bilsteins, pyro temp, boost =3D
pressure, pre & post intercooler temp gauges, & transtemp gauges. Custom =3D
4" exhaust tube snorkel.
Christchurch,
New Zealand.
Venter, Paul (NL - Amsterdam) wrote:=3D20
=3D09Hi all!=3D20
=3D09I'm starting to look at an 80 series as an upgrade from my previous 75=3D
series troopie. I'm a strong believer in the KISS (keep it simple stupi=3D
d) principle and therefore would prefer a vehicle with as few fancy gadge=3D
ts as possible (in my view the more gadgets/technology, the more potentia=3D
l breakdowns that I can't fix myself in the bundus).
=3D09Basically what I am looking for is an oldish 80 series with manual gea=3D
rbox and an 1HZ 4.2 diesel (non-turbo) engine. =3D20
=3D09Does anyone on the forum know of a place in Europe/UK where one could =3D
get this type of vehicle?=3D20
=3D09Were the 80 series ever sold in Europe/UK with the 1HZ engines? It se=3D
ems to me as if all the diesel 80 series I see advertised in the UK/Europ=3D
e are equipped with the TD engines.
=3D09If these vehicles are hard to come by, how difficult (and how expensiv=3D
e) would it be to buy an old 80 series with a busted TD engine and fit a =3D
1HZ? Any places that can be recommended to do this type of conversion?
=3D09Any advise and/or tips will be appreciated.=3D20
=3D09Regards=3D20
=3D09Paul=3D20
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p in the=3D20
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through the gap between the piston and cilinder walls, and that this will=3D
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color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2>3) This may be a really dumb question, but it se=3D
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From: [Email address removed]=3D20
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On Behalf Of Craig=3D20
Vincent
Sent: 06 November 2006 20:40
To:=3D20
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where to buy?
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I will only comment on one point the engine. The 1=3D
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might be a reasonable plodder but due to it being indirect injection (IDI=3D
) it is=3D20
not very fuel efficient (on a kW's/L of fuel burnt basis) it dumps a lot =3D
of soot=3D20
into the oil, due to the nature of combustion it creates a lot of thermal=3D
stress=3D20
on the head which if your injectors are a little scruffy will cause it to=3D
crack.=3D20
The cooling system has to work much harder as the thermal losses with the=3D
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motor are much higher. The oil has to be changed every 5000km otherwise s=3D
oot=3D20
loading becomes that great that wear begins to accelerate very fast.
F=3D
actory=3D20
turbo is direct inection, yes it has a turbo but so what diesel and turbo=3D
are=3D20
like wine & cheese or air and breathing the two are a match made in h=3D
eaven.=3D20
The specific fuel consumption is much better it is a watercooled turbo an=3D
d=3D20
diesel turbo's don't run very hot compared to petrols (not much over 650=3DC2=3D
=3DBAC when=3D20
working very hard versus 950=3DC2=3DBAC for a petrol) the engine runs so clea=3D
n you can=3D20
often push oil change intervals to 30-50,000km or beyond (with good oil a=3D
nd=3D20
routine oil analysis and regular filter changes). The cooling system is s=3D
tressed=3D20
much less because of the much higher thermal efficiency of the DI engine.=3D
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I will NEVER own a IDI engine ever again.
If in the middle of n=3D
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I would be much happy to know I have the ability to if I have to cover 20=3D
,000km=3D20
of hard driving and only spin a fresh oil filter at 10,000km (versus four=3D
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changes and still know the engine is wearing faster), if I come up agains=3D
t some=3D20
steep terrain I can waft up it on the big mid range torque of the turbo i=3D
nstead=3D20
of having to thrash the living hell out of the 1HZ to get some grunt. If =3D
it all=3D20
turns to custard and I have to do a runner from bandits or something in s=3D
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third world country I know I can very rapidly head straight to 100mph plu=3D
s if=3D20
the terrain is smooth enough and outrun most other 4wd's.
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But it=3D20
is your call.
Cheers,
Craig Vincent
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Maartens transcooler, Sport turbo & intercooler, Rodney's Ex=3D
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Christchurch,
New Zealand.
Venter, =3D
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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 05:19:47 -0500
From: "Niall Sommers" <[Email address removed]>
Subject: [ELCO] Tyre Size
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
Greetings all
Does anyone knowe what the best tyre size is for the LC
Manual says 275/70/16
How big can you go without having to change gear ratio's and all that
malarky.
If anyone knows what sizes are readily available in Africa - that would
be nice to know......
Who has the biggest boots on the LC list I wonder!!!
Niall
Hdj80
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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:54:29 +0000
From: Graham & Lucinda Smith <[Email address removed]>
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Tyre Size
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
I was recommended to get 285/75 R16 by Frogs Island and I suspect most
Cruisers leaving there are on these.
Graham
Niall Sommers wrote:
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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 05:59:00 -0500
From: "Niall Sommers" <[Email address removed]>
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Tyre Size
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
Graham
AT's or MT's?
Niall
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Subject: RE: [ELCO] Tyre Size
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 12:23:12 +0100
From: "Venter, Paul (NL - Amsterdam)" <[Email address removed]>
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
Niall
Not sure about northern africa, but from Tanzania further south the most
common tire size is 7.50x16 (equivalent of 235/85/16). In north africa
they may use a wider tire with all the sand?
You should be able to find most tire sizes in the bigger cities, as long
as you don't go for really big oversize tires.
paul
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From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]]
On Behalf Of Niall Sommers
Sent: 07 November 2006 11:20
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: [ELCO] Tyre Size
Greetings all
Does anyone knowe what the best tyre size is for the LC
Manual says 275/70/16
How big can you go without having to change gear ratio's and all that
malarky.
If anyone knows what sizes are readily available in Africa - that would
be nice to know......
Who has the biggest boots on the LC list I wonder!!!
Niall
Hdj80
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From: "John Byrne" <[Email address removed]>
Subject: [ELCO] post reverse
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:09:04 -0000
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
Hi Julian
For the past few days I have been getting the posts in reverse, so the
question post comes after the answer post which is a bit anoying. Is there a
problem somwhere your end or mine or will we put it down to it just happens
like what im told about the cruiser.
cheers
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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 13:51:40 +0000
From: Graham & Lucinda Smith <[Email address removed]>
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Tyre Size
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
BFG ATs
Graham
Niall Sommers wrote:
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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:12:08 +0000
From: Roman <[Email address removed]>
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Overland Spares
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
Hello Graham,
I guess if you've convinced yourself you need a trailer there's no
point searching for explanations - just try it to see if it works for
you. If it doesn't, you can always donate the then surplus cargo to a
local mission.
Most people I know would say that you don't want a trailer - you
either need a bigger car or less stuff to carry. One person I know who
could give you more information is here:
http://www.a2b.uk.net/index.php
Africa is not only the Sahara, but if Tom Sheppard's opinion is
anything to go by, his book has a good section on trailers. The RGS
website used to have a free download copy of Tom's Desert Expeditions
Handbook and there is some good stuff on trailers in there. He tried
it on one of his trips (crossing the Empty Quarter) and he wasn't very
happy AFAIK. And he had one just to carry only the essential load -
fuel.
Spares - generally you won't need many if the LC has been prepared
well in line with the ardous conditions service schedule. Major cities
will have a Toyota dealership but not all spares will be available off
the shelf and may take days to arrive. Also, remember to take a good
tool set and keep and eye on it as it wil usually be the best thing
the local mechanics have ever worked with.
You will be definitely better off carrying spares for the suspension
and drivetrain rather than an engine overhaul kit. Do not rely too
much on brand reputation - things go wrong regardless of how much they
cost, and OME is not a particularly reputable brand.
17 inch rims may look cool but you will not find tyres for this size.
Stick to 7.5x16 (235x85x16) and you will have the least problem to
find a replacement. Brand new tyrs may not be easy to find, too, as
they costs about the same as in Europe.
And when you say you will leave the trailer and disappear seriously
off road for the day and really play - it's worthwhile remembering
there's no flatbed taxis out there to send your dead LC home for
repairs
--
Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
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Subject: RE: [ELCO] Overland Spares
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:48:29 -0000
From: "Christopher Bell" <[Email address removed]>
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
Roman
Interesting man, and he writes well - thanks for the link.
I had a quick look through and at one point he describes, with photos,
being "mock charged" by an elephant which required him to reverse in a
hurry. He comments "glad we didn't have a trailer".
I hadn't thought of that aspect of the matter!
Christopher Bell=3D20
|
|Hello Graham,
|
|I guess if you've convinced yourself you need a trailer there's no
|point searching for explanations - just try it to see if it works for
|you. If it doesn't, you can always donate the then surplus cargo to a
|local mission.
|
|Most people I know would say that you don't want a trailer - you
|either need a bigger car or less stuff to carry. One person I know who
|could give you more information is here:
|
http://www.a2b.uk.net/index.php
|
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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:53:43 +0000
From: Graham & Lucinda Smith <[Email address removed]>
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Overland Spares
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
Hi Roman
Thanks for the info and the link.
Don't worry I am on std 16inch rims.
I have a copy of Tom Sheppards Handbook - pretty neat but outdated.
As I have said previously, it all comes down to the type of trailer, and
the torque of the towing vehicle...
Thanks
Graham.
Roman wrote:
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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:07:56 +0000
From: Graham & Lucinda Smith <[Email address removed]>
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Overland Spares
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
Hi Chris
Sadly, comments which are severely factually flawed put me off the
source of the information (the website) and I then read everything else
they have to say with a bucketful of salt.
I arrived at the website irritated, as it is not Firefox compatible, but
what really peeved me is the comment you highlighted below.
Its flaws are:
1) The speed of a charging elephant is 25mph,
(
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004737.html), they can and do go faster.
2) The top speed of a vehicle reversing is significantly less than
25mph, even in our go-anywhere, do-anything cruisers.
So, if you are genuinely charged by an elephant, your options are
forwards or stand still and brace yourself... A trailer makes no
difference in this instance, it might actually cause the ele' to abort
his charge because you have "backup". If it is a mock charge, just enjoy
it for what it is - bravado, intimidation, and a fantastic photo
opportunity; then make tracks as you have been warned.
So being charged by an elephant is not at all relevant to the pros and
cons of a trailer.
best wishes
Graham.
Christopher Bell wrote:
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Subject: RE: [ELCO] Overland Spares
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 17:43:40 -0000
From: "Christopher Bell" <[Email address removed]>
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
Graham
I stand - or rather sit - corrected. The nearest I've come to an
elephant was at Sacramento State fair and it was doing about 0.25mph
(forwards, with my wife & then 4 year old daughter on top). =3D20
The aforementioned daughter is about to take her driving test ... sigh,
make the most of them when they are young. For all his faults, and I'm
not competent to judge, I admire him for just getting on with it and
taking his kids to all those places.
And I'm glad you couldn't get Firefox to work on it either - I thought
it was just me. When will people learn that trendy Javascript etc is
usually a hindrance rather than a help!
CB
|Hi Chris
|
|Sadly, comments which are severely factually flawed put me off the=3D20
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|everything else=3D20
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|I arrived at the website irritated, as it is not Firefox=3D20
|compatible, but=3D20
|what really peeved me is the comment you highlighted below.
|
|Its flaws are:
|1) The speed of a charging elephant is 25mph,=3D20
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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:55:28 -0500
From: "Niall Sommers" <[Email address removed]>
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Overland Spares
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
Graham / Roman
Re relevance of Elephants to Trailers
Slightly off the point but on the doctor doo little trend.... & I have =3D
been doing very little today
I've seen pictures of vehicles destroyed by Black Bears in Yellowstone =3D
national Park. Yogi bear style going after the packed lunch.
I once got quoted =3D8050K to make a Landcruiser AK47 Proof (german =3D
company). The idea for "Tourism in War Zones" fell flat on its face with =3D
the cease fire in the North.
I wonder if you can get those trailers Yogi bear proof!!
Or in your =3D
case, get a reverse truster fitted so you can out run the Elephant!
Cheers
Niall
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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:10:23 +0000
From: Graham & Lucinda Smith <[Email address removed]>
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Overland Spares
Reply-To: [Email address removed]
These images prove that the human is more dangerous to his vehicle than
bear or ele'
Get ready to say, "Oh Dear!!" :-D
http://www.overland.co.za/accidents.html
cheers
Graham.
Niall Sommers wrote:
doing very little today
national Park. Yogi bear style going after the packed lunch.
).
The idea for "Tourism in War Zones" fell flat on its face with the cease
fire in the North.
case, get a reverse truster fitted so you can out run the Elephant!
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