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Hi Guys
Im now on the hunt to get a machanic to fix the front axle after it having an extented break.
Is there anywhere that inner front shafts and rear wheel bearings can be bought other than from Toyota.
I may not need them but just in case its always nice to know. Milner dont do them.
cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
 
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Jon
I seem to remember John saying earlier that at least one of his front
half-shafts was bent (!) or damaged.
I may be wrong, or it may have been a mis-diagnosis of his problem by
what is clearly the best Toyota agent in the northern hemisphere, but if
that is the case then I'm not surprised that it is knackering seals.
John - is there shaft damage?
CB
| > Is there anywhere that inner front shafts and rear
| > wheel bearings can be bought other than from Toyota.
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| Milner do the rear bearings & seals, they're the same as the fronts.
Also
| any decent bearing wholesaler near you should sell them if you give
them
| the part number off the old bearings.
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| You're not likely to need new inner shafts but if you do it's either
| import strengthened ones, Toyota or a breakers. I think I have a UK
| passenger side inner shaft spare if you do get stuck.
|
| Jon.
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Thanks Jon
Its just I have been on to two local guys and they wont touch it because its
too much work to strip and rebuild the axle.
I think they prefere just servicing, quick easy money for them.
Im only thinking about the rear bearings because Toyota also fitted them so
makes me think if they need to be looked at.
Jon maybe you can tell me, I have left the cruiser laid up because im
nervious about the front wheel set up with all that movement and such.
But when there is that movement with the wheel and disc what exactly is
happening.
And what is that movement doing besides cutting a goove in the disc.
Could the wheel just simply fall off or bend under the cruiser.
I ask because im trying to mentally picture the problem.
Its a long time since I saw an axle stripped down so I cant even remember
how far in the bearings are and how they could be loose with that lock
nut/washer bent at the sides.
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
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Hi Christopher
No my shafts seems to be fine, my diagnosis of course without taking them
out, but she drives fine apart from the loose wheel that is.
Its just I think Julian said that the shaft may be slightly worn away just
where the seal fits which would let diff oil through.
But im putting my money on crappy fitting on both sides.
I cant wait to see them come apart to see what was or was not done.
So far four guys have turned me down flat , only like cars I was told by
one.
I wouldn't do that work by another and i dont like bending by another.
Jon thanks for the offer of the shaft, my leaking one is the drivers side.
cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
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Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:29 AM
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Jon
I seem to remember John saying earlier that at least one of his front
half-shafts was bent (!) or damaged.
I may be wrong, or it may have been a mis-diagnosis of his problem by
what is clearly the best Toyota agent in the northern hemisphere, but if
that is the case then I'm not surprised that it is knackering seals.
John - is there shaft damage?
CB
| > Is there anywhere that inner front shafts and rear
| > wheel bearings can be bought other than from Toyota.
|
| Milner do the rear bearings & seals, they're the same as the fronts.
Also
| any decent bearing wholesaler near you should sell them if you give
them
| the part number off the old bearings.
|
| You're not likely to need new inner shafts but if you do it's either
| import strengthened ones, Toyota or a breakers. I think I have a UK
| passenger side inner shaft spare if you do get stuck.
|
| Jon.
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Hi John,
You could try these contact details for Toyota.
Phone 0845 275 5555
Fax 0203 166 4115
Or write
Toyota (GB) PLC
PO Box 814
Portsmouth
PO6 9AY
TTFN
Chas
London UK '94 1HDT 80 Auto, 110000+ miles, Safari snorkel, Custom Winch
bumper + winch, + Ray Dadd Rocksliders
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Hey Jon/Chas
Can you or should you fit front wheel bearings without replacing seals.
The story behind this botched axle job is a follows.
I had them replace all the front bearings in sept 06 just the year.
Then when the CV broke on me last Ausust I had them replace the two CVs
(Milners) which I supplied along with the seal kits (Milners and the inner
seals( Toyota).
Brought it back to them soon after as I had one very wet S/ball and another
dry one.
Then in Oct left it into them to replace the seals on the wet S/ball.
They tried to charge me again but in the end did not.
Brought it back twice after that and was told its ok just too much grease.
Then on the Tuesday before Christmas noticed that clunking sound in the
front and a soft brake.
Went to them, they had no lift available and told me to book it in, which I
did for the Thursday.
They now said it needs the new seals for one side at 200 euro plus labour
and gave it back to me still with the soft brakes .
I then jacked it up myself and found the dodgy wheel.
So is it possible for them to say that they can strip down the axle both
sides and not replace all the seals, and what could cause the wheel and
brake disc to move so much .What actually holds the wheel or attaches it in
place and what is it that now it can move so much even though the wheel is
tightly attached with all the nuts tight.
cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
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Hi John,
Toyota GB's Head office is in Kingswood Surrey and the Training Academy(Technical Centre where they fix the faults dealers can't is in Salfords Surrey.The contact numbers are on their website.
As suggested by others I would go for the dealer first, threaten them with local press, Watchdog etc. If no good go to Toyota GB with the same, they have area managers who speak with dealers re warranty claims etc ask for him to come and examine your cruiser!
Another angle could be Top Gear lots of hype re the Hilux and North Pole, they may offer some help or contact Toyota?
Another angle could be your local Trading Standards?
If this all fails and you can't find a garage to do the work try a local gearbox/ axle specialist they are used to rebuilding diffs etc and should be able to do the work for you.
Good Luck
David
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Hi John,
Sorry I'm so late on this one. I missed your original post. Was the wheel
wobble in the 12 - 6 or 3 - 9 direction? I ask because I had a bad wobble
3 - 9 and it turned out to be the 4 studs under the hub that hold the
steering arm on. One was missing completely and the other 3 were only
finger tight - close one, could have been nasty.
Regards
Ian
 
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That is the scariest thing I have heard for a long time.
I once had the bolts on a tractor steering work loose but that was an off
road only tractor. (Was an ancient old Ford, in the middle of the bush in
Papua New Guinea, on an isolated, unconnected bit of track that connected
two towns 10 miles apart, perhaps 50 miles from anywhere else, accessible
only be air, the tractor, one Suzuki SJ40 and two motor bikes were the only
vehicles on the road in the area, robbed some bolts from the trailer to fix
it, I was quite proud of that as a bush repair).
Malcolm
Stafford (UK)
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
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Sent: 03 January 2008 08:14
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Hi John,
Sorry I'm so late on this one. I missed your original post. Was the wheel
wobble in the 12 - 6 or 3 - 9 direction? I ask because I had a bad wobble
3 - 9 and it turned out to be the 4 studs under the hub that hold the
steering arm on. One was missing completely and the other 3 were only
finger tight - close one, could have been nasty.
Regards
Ian

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Hi Guys
Went to Toyota today and had it out with them.
They have agreed to tow it in and check what is wrong with me there.
I was trying to get someone else to do it but it has proven to be quite
difficult.
They did point out that if I did not let them look at it what could they do,
fair point.
I need advice, I can hear you all say again and again but I do.
The general manager has agreed that I can show them what is wrong.
But all I can show them is a very wet ball, a very dry ball and a really
wobbly wheel and disc.
But when I leave they can say it was this or that so I need some advice.
I hope this will help others aswell, because im sure im not alone, hello
anyone out there.
Given all the work I have had done including the complete axle rebuild in
Aug last.
Correct me if im wrong but so far an excessive wet ball is caused by diff
oil leaking into the swvel housing and diluting the grease in there.
This can be caused by a compremised inner seal either by poor fitting /old
age/ or worn shaft where the seal sits.
The Hub seals are to keep the grease in but not the liquid diff/grease
combination and the swivel seals are to keep dirt out.
A very dry ball is caused by no grease or very little grease in the swivel
housing, to test for this you stick a long thing in the filler nut at the
top of the housing and this should give a good indication.
A wobbly wheel and disc is an indication of wheel bearing failure/ poor
fitting/ not replacing the lock nut and tab washer, any pictures please of
these.
What should I get them to check while I am there to discount as many things
as I can, so that they cant come back to me later and say it was this or
that.
I would like to feel as impowered as I can be while I am surrounded by the
manager, general manager, mechanic, head mechanic, work shop manager and im
sure a few more.
They will be talking machanical stuff, shifting the blame, passing the book
etc if you know what I mean.
Will I get them to dipp this hole at the top of the housing.
What is the wheel wobblies at 3 and 9 what does this mean.
Can they get to where the lock nut or tab washer is quickly so I can see.
What else can I discount by asking them to do certain things while im there.
I know if im not happy I could get them to bring it back to my house but as
its our only vehicle that would be difficult and it may rest there a long
time untill I can get someone to fix it.
Any ideas would be great.
Cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
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John,
My advise would be to consider it the Toyota dealerships problem, they need
to explain the differences and excessive play etc to you, don't talk too
much, let them dig their own holes, make notes if you feel like it.
I know from your posts over the last (however I have been subscribed to
LCML) that you are a good learner and a clever man, you shouldn't need to be
a Toyota expert to get one fixed, just make sure they know your not going to
give in - assume they are going to fix everything without argument.
Good luck,
Malcolm
Stafford (UK)
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
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Hi Guys
Went to Toyota today and had it out with them.
They have agreed to tow it in and check what is wrong with me there.
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Hi John
With the wheel jacked up imagine it is a clock face. If you hold it at 12
and 6 o'clock and it wobbles it's a sign certain problems, if you hold it at
3 and 9 o'clock and it wobbles it's a sign of other problems. With my loose
knuckle studs the wheel was stable in the 12 - 6 direction but wobbled it
the 3 - 9 direction.
Good luck.
Ian
 
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Hi Guys
Thanks for the advice on this matter.
A bit of knowledge is a good thing when it can compete with Toyota on their
turf, is that good or bad.
Anyway the Cruiser went in to Toyota today and they put it up on the lift
and asked me what I thought was wrong. General manager with clip board etc
taking notes.
Well I was able to show them my wet ball and explain why and had agreement
from them.
Then when I showed them my dry ball and explain why and had more agreement,
I was on a roll.
I then showed them my loose wheel/disc and I saw shock on their faces.
I was then able to explain causes and possible death senario driving it.
The manager just said to the mechanic, strip it all, replace/order what you
think untill its 100% no matter what you have to do. We want no come back on
this.
I found it really difficult to keep from jumping with joy and saying ,told
you so you ----------- but I restrained myself.
So the proof is in the pudding, third time lucky, but I still feel uneasy
getting them to do it again.
I had to drive a manual Yaris for the day, O what a difference and no way
jose even after all my cursing at the cruiser would I want a Yaris.
I have a question, in the Yaris going over a speed ramp was different than
the cruiser.
Is this difference totally because of the cruisers abilility to absorb more
in the supension.
Also just thinking, is going slow over such ramps in the cruiser better than
just slowing down a bit and not really feeling them if you know what i mean.
Does the cruiser suspension absorb all the shock or is some of it transfered
to the steering/ and especially the swivel and CVs.
I know that the drive shafts absorb some and thats why they have a little
flexability.
Its just with the Yaris there was just a kind of a tump tump, like the
cruiser if it bottomed out.
Thanks again lads
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
 
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Well, satisfaction at last eh! John, let's hope this is the start of a much
better year for you.
TTFN
Chas
London UK '94 1HDT 80 Auto, 110000+ miles, Safari snorkel, Custom Winch
bumper + winch, + Ray Dadd Rocksliders
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hey john

youll never know how much i admire yur ability to ask and keep asking!!!! yu ask questions i never even think of...thanks !!!its through your questions that idiots like me learn things

jeff watts> From: [Email address removed]> To: [Email address removed]> Subject: Re: [ELCO] inner front shaft> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 19:36:39 +0000> > Hi Guys> Thanks for the advice on this matter.> A bit of knowledge is a good thing when it can compete with Toyota on their > turf, is that good or bad.> Anyway the Cruiser went in to Toyota today and they put it up on the lift > and asked me what I thought was wrong. General manager with clip board etc > taking notes.> Well I was able to show them my wet ball and explain why and had agreement > from them.> Then when I showed them my dry ball and explain why and had more agreement, > I was on a roll.> I then showed them my loose wheel/disc and I saw shock on their faces.> I was then able to explain causes and possible death senario driving it.> The manager just said to the mechanic, strip it all, replace/order what you > think untill its 100% no matter what you have to do. We want no come back on > this.> I found it really difficult to keep from jumping with joy and saying ,told > you so you ----------- but I restrained myself.> So the proof is in the pudding, third time lucky, but I still feel uneasy > getting them to do it again.> I had to drive a manual Yaris for the day, O what a difference and no way > jose even after all my cursing at the cruiser would I want a Yaris.> I have a question, in the Yaris going over a speed ramp was different than > the cruiser.> Is this difference totally because of the cruisers abilility to absorb more > in the supension.> Also just thinking, is going slow over such ramps in the cruiser better than > just slowing down a bit and not really feeling them if you know what i mean.> Does the cruiser suspension absorb all the shock or is some of it transfered > to the steering/ and especially the swivel and CVs.> I know that the drive shafts absorb some and thats why they have a little > flexability.> Its just with the Yaris there was just a kind of a tump tump, like the > cruiser if it bottomed out.> > Thanks again lads> john 92HDJ 80 1HDT > > > --> European Land Cruiser Owners Mailing List> Further Info: http://www.landcruisers.info/lists/
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Jon/Chas
Now theres a guy I would trust and really learn from.
But we shall see what their version of events are when they have it
stripped, will they hold their hands up and be big men or pass it off.
I still have this very uneasy feeling about trusting their work this time
around but I supposs they now have to offer 12 mts warranty but then they
had to do that on the botched job aswell, AH and double AH.
Its funny because when I moved the wheel and exclaimed (whats holding that
wheel on) I was told the bearings were and there was I thinking it wasn't
the job of the bearings to hold the wheel/disc on.
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
SNIP
Glad you've got a result that should at least get you mobile again. If you
don't trust their workmanship to last perhaps you should be thinking about
a spring / summer trip to Julian's workshop for a once over?
Jon.
 
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Hey Jeff
Why do you think half the list is on Valum and the other half have checked themselves into special homes suffering from JB asktoomanyquestionsanddriveus madsyndromeatitus.
Although it doesn't always work, some times it can get to over load for the poor brain cells with too much tech stuff.
Its like trying to cram a life time of practical work like some of the real heroes of this list have into a small space, no not my brain but my limited theory experience of the practical.
John92HDJ 80 1HDT
 
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Hi John,
If you do ever make a trip over here let us know, I'm only about 1 1/2 hours
away, I'll pop down and we can have a chat and a pint.
TTFN
Chas
London UK '94 1HDT 80 Auto, 110000+ miles, Safari snorkel, Custom Winch
bumper + winch, + Ray Dadd Rocksliders
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Hi Chas
Really like to do that if i do make it to Julians Cruiserland and of course
I survive the Toyota axle rebuild that nearly finished me the last time.
Could have had me waking to to find myself being buried, nothing like being
at your own departure to the land of the perpetual ever lasting Cruiser.
John 92HDJ 80 1HDT
 
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Hi John,
Even if your wheel had come off while moving, the Cruisers are so strong you
would probably have survived, I remember a while back someone posting a link
to pictures of a Cruiser that had rolled while towing a caravan I think, it
was a complete mess on the outside but the occupants walked away without a
scratch. And don't even think about leaving us, what would we do without
all your helpful questions?
TTFN
Chas
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