Lighting variations

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Well, last time I had a query about gearbox spares there was unfortunately
little response, but no matter, maybe manual box 80's are rare amongst the
mostly imported Toy population in Europe.
So what about help with my lights anyone?
My 80 is the Asian/Oz market version and has unusual headlamps. Each of the
4 lamps is a separate 4X6 square item with flat lens, and then recessed
into a plastic moulding by about 40mm. (Did the 60's have something
similar?) Those 80's I see in Europe have a single curved lens that
incorporates the twin beams and is flush to the edge of the front grille,
they usually have a washer too. The 80 I bought for the office last summer,
although a military 80 with an HZJ engine - very rare in Europe - has these
Euro style lamps. (It was supplied by Gib Toy specifically for aid agency
use but in a 24volt Euro spec).
So my problem ? The lamps being recessed have 2 problems.
a) they fill-up with snow, though the outer lamp is not much affected as
the constant heat melts the snow most of the time. But put them on full
beam and the inner lamps being mostly cold, are just useless as they are
full of snow.
b) as water cannot flow over and away from the lenses, as it accumulates
the added grime splashed-up from the road leaves the lenses very dirty very
quickly as the heat bakes the muck on rapidly too.
I have compared my 80 with the office one, and if I am to acquire new
curved lens lamps like it, I also need a new grille too as it is a
different size between the 2 set-ups and the existing one will not match.
Yes I can go to my super scrapyard but the only problem is that they are
all scrapped cos the UN drivers who mostly had never seen snow before till
it came through the windscreen as it rolled X times before coming to a
rest, didn't leave the front ends exactly intact enough for salvage.
So on to plan B. I can mount a couple of driving lamps on the bullbar. But
I will need some lamps that have a curved lens that would go some way to
shedding the water/snow and keep cleaner a little longer than the existing
headlamps.
Am I going in the right direction? If buying driving lamps is the best
alternative, are there any recommendations for make/size/wattage etc? That
is - if I have any choice from my limited local sources :'(
All suggestions appreciated thanks.
Cheers
Jon
'92 HZJ80 ex UN surplus in Bosnia - now away from the net till Friday
night, if the snow allows me passage to the other side of the country on
Tuesday.
 
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Jon,
I know it sounds daft, but as a quick fix you could try those headlamp
protectors from http://shop.formula4x4.com/shop/
They are marked as 2H171TOLA80, 2H174TOLA80 and 2H175TOLA80 (I am not
sure which is which as the pictures on their website are rather
useless).
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
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Hi Roman,
One problem with the headlamp protectors is that the muddy water gets
behind them and dries on the protector as well as the lamps so they
dirty twice as quickly.
Mine are off at the moment - I am thinking of trying to put some draught
excluder around the edges to stop the muddy water from getting between
them.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Roman wrote...
I know it sounds daft, but as a quick fix you could try those headlamp
protectors from http://shop.formula4x4.com/shop/
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That's a good idea Roman, thank you. I was think of a lighting solution
rather than a protection solution. Unfortunately those advertised for 80's
in UK are for the all-in-one curved lens that most of you 80 owners have.
They all seem to have a close fit even if they don't actually touch and
seal the thing as Julian suggested. My problem is that I would need a self
supporting cover that needs to be firmly mounted all round, as the plastic
moulding that the square lamps are deeply recessed into is somewhat angular
rather than curvaceous !
I continue to trawl the net especially in Oz. But does anyone have any
thoughts on driving lamps anyway?
Cheers
Jon
'92 HZJ80 ex UN surplus in Bosnia - with snow filled headlamps !
 
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Jon,
Do you mean auxiliary lights if so then I would suggest the Cibie Turini
range which is offered Long Range, Drive, Wide Angle and Fog. They are
about nine inches in diameter, I would exclude the long range as unless you
have lot of supplementary lighting are useless unless you are traveling long
distances in a straight line, the drive beams give a very good all round
light and the wide angle is especially good for illuminating those bits you
need to see when turning hard. Other makes worthy of note are Hella, in the
US the 4000 series is very good and offers the same choices as above. I
have heard very good reports of Light Force lamps from Australia these even
dwarf the Cibies and are reputed to be unbreakable being made from
polycarbonate. The Light Force is also adjustable for beam width.
I have heard that the plastic light covers are good for protecting lights
from stones etc but allow dust to collect on the glass behind which then is
not easy to clean because the protectors prohibit cleaning this then can
make the light out put very poor.
Anthony Graham
1994HDJ80 1HD-T
West Wales
UK
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Subject: RE: [ELCO] Lighting variations
Roman wrote...
I know it sounds daft, but as a quick fix you could try those headlamp
protectors from http://shop.formula4x4.com/shop/
SNIP
That's a good idea Roman, thank you. I was think of a lighting solution
rather than a protection solution. Unfortunately those advertised for 80's
in UK are for the all-in-one curved lens that most of you 80 owners have.
They all seem to have a close fit even if they don't actually touch and seal
the thing as Julian suggested. My problem is that I would need a self
supporting cover that needs to be firmly mounted all round, as the plastic
moulding that the square lamps are deeply recessed into is somewhat angular
rather than curvaceous !
I continue to trawl the net especially in Oz. But does anyone have any
thoughts on driving lamps anyway?
Cheers
Jon
'92 HZJ80 ex UN surplus in Bosnia - with snow filled headlamps !
 
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First, great thanks to Julian and Roman for their help a while back.
You may remember that I was looking for a solution to the mucky water and
snow accumulating in my 80's recessed rectangular headlamps, a
design which was particular to the Asian and Oz markets. Roman suggested
headlamp protectors could be the solution if I could find them. I
researched the accessories trade in Oz and came-up with a firm who made
some, which did not attach to the lenses but which covered the whole
assembly from grille round to the sidelight, thus providing the better
aerodynamics which should allow the slipstream to keep the wet and snow
flowing past.
The Aunger company of Queensland took care to send them to me direct, and
in just 3 days I received them via airmail - and for once I wasn't stung by
Bosnian Customs :)
I agree with Julian's previous comment that headlight protectors can get
dirty inside, but from what I see of these, I think that they will at least
stay cleaner than the recessed lights themselves, and removal is simple
enough when they do need cleaning. Not sure if there is sufficient
clearance to put a foam sealing strip around their edge though, they do fit
very closely. Again, thanks for your help.
Cheers
Jon
'92 HZJ80 ex UN surplus in Bosnia - now with aerodynamic headlamps
 
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Hello Jon,
I'm glad I could make myself useful.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 08:24:21 +0100, toy80 <[Email address removed]> wrote:
 
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Hi Toy80,
I find it a pain - you have to clean them off after every muddy puddle you go
through and the headlight squirters won't touch them -it has got to the point
recently that I have just removed them because I was fed up having to remove
to clean.
I will refit them next time I get into town to get some draught excluder.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Hi Toy80,
I find it a pain - you have to clean them off after every muddy puddle you go
through and the headlight squirters won't touch them -it has got to the point
recently that I have just removed them because I was fed up having to remove
to clean.
I will refit them next time I get into town to get some draught excluder.
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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