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Clive, thanks for your observations. I don' think I can do a British Rail
and blame the wrong kind of rain. Yet one of my staff the other day
complained bitterly about the 80 I bought that office 2nd hand last summer.
He said it was so dangerous in the snow. I asked his tyre pressures and he
replied 3bar >:-o So I told him to look at the book again and reduce to
2.2. I then drove it with no problems. Would still welcome comments on
AT's in the very very wet on asphalt though.
Cheers
Jon
'92 HZJ80 ex UN surplus in Bosnia - where we got 35cm snow last night and
30 during the day - guess who worked at home then :)
 
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Jon,
All terrain tyres in the rain are fine but I do not mind mud terrains in the
wet either and I drive fairly hard and it certainly rains here so close to
the Atlantic.
Anthony Graham
1994HDJ801HD-T
West Wales
UK
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Sent: 14 February 2005 20:44
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Subject: [ELCO] M & S tyres
Clive, thanks for your observations. I don' think I can do a British Rail
and blame the wrong kind of rain. Yet one of my staff the other day
complained bitterly about the 80 I bought that office 2nd hand last summer.
He said it was so dangerous in the snow. I asked his tyre pressures and he
replied 3bar >:-o So I told him to look at the book again and reduce to
2.2. I then drove it with no problems. Would still welcome comments on
AT's in the very very wet on asphalt though.
Cheers
Jon
'92 HZJ80 ex UN surplus in Bosnia - where we got 35cm snow last night and
30 during the day - guess who worked at home then :)
 
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Hi Anthony/Jon,
Well I have had my last (on BFG ATs) and current (on Goodyear Wrangler MT's)
LC's sideways in the wet on tarmac.
The ATs are a little bit better than the MTs in the wet, although the MTs
aren't that bad - you really have to be pushing it to get the back end out and
then it is easy to control.
Ideally I would have 2 sets of rims - ATs for general use and perhaps
something like some Simexes for weekends.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Julian,
Yes I agree the 80 is very controllable in the wet what ever the tyre.
I would like two sets of tyres as well, I would have mud terrain or Simex on
in the winter here and All terrain in the summer, but could justify mud's
all year around and perhaps Simex in the winter but I have no experience of
the Simex and do not know what are its road manors are like. Would they be
likely to be ruined driving distances on the road?
I am considering Simex Extreme Trekker 35". I see that you are using
Goodyear MTR how do you find them on and off road?
Anthony Graham
1994HDJ801HD-T
West Wale
UK
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Sent: 15 February 2005 08:49
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Subject: Re: [ELCO] M & S tyres
Hi Anthony/Jon,
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Well I have had my last (on BFG ATs) and current (on Goodyear Wrangler MT's)
LC's sideways in the wet on tarmac.
The ATs are a little bit better than the MTs in the wet, although the MTs
aren't that bad - you really have to be pushing it to get the back end out
and
then it is easy to control.
Ideally I would have 2 sets of rims - ATs for general use and perhaps
something like some Simexes for weekends.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Hi Anthony,
On road they are OK, except for in the wet - I do guess that ATs would
be better, but as long as I slow down a bit more before the corners
should be OK.
With mud they are better than the ATs, although where I go off road a
lot on really slippery chalky clay they are as useless as ATs for grip,
they just clog up and spin - even fully locked up you just sit there.
Jon Wildsmith is giving me a part used set of Simex 35" Extreme
Treckers that look as though they will do a lot better - a bit closer
to tractor tyres that I think will be able to get a better bite. Just
need to pick up the remaining 3 and find some spare rims to put them
on.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Gents,
Now I don't actually "off-road" my 80 in any difficult conditions so I
don't really know what I'm talking about but that has never stopped me
making suggestions. ;-)
I do however ride a motorbike off tarmac both green laning and in enduro
competitions. The way sticky mud is dealt with on bikes is by one of two
or both techniques;
a) low pressure - to allow the tyre flex to spit the mud out. This would
probably be the best option for dual purpose cars. We do need to lock
the tyres to the rim to stop the rims spinning inside the tyres whilst
running pressures down to 6 psi or lower in some cases.
b) running an aggressive deep and widely spaced tread pattern and
spinning the back wheel. This then will throw out any mud and either dig
down to something firmer or literally give a paddle boat effect. Not
advocated on UK green lanes though. Probably not a good idea in an 80
either with all that weight.
Option a) on bikes can provide amazing grip with a relatively shallow
tread pattern because the contact area goes up and all that flex just
spits the mud out. I notice it doesn't start to be effective for me
until below 10 psi and you have to balance the possibility of pinch
flats and wheel damage when below 8 psi. However allow the wheel to spin
up and it stops working, you have to be gentle on the gas but maintain
momentum.
Ian.
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Julian,
Have you compared the Goodyear MTR against other Mud Terrains? The MTR have
good reports from the US but they mainly run on rock over there. I know
that feeling of spinning and not getting any where it almost happened to me
a couple of days ago, since fixing my diff locks I was able to tackle the
other of my two access tracks leading to the farm and with all locks
activated I was barely moving, it is up hill all the way and narrow, it just
managed. I have in the past relied on mud terrains all year and AT's are
really useless here so will defiantly go more aggressive. I used to live in
Cambridge quite a few years ago and all the lanes were clay with mud
covering chalk, which is very greasy.
If any one else has any Simex Extreme 35" to give away I would be most
grateful, or if you find that you do not really need them I can give
certainly them a good home and would exercise on a daily basis.
Anthony
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Sent: 15 February 2005 10:41
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Subject: Re: [ELCO] M & S tyres
Hi Anthony,
On road they are OK, except for in the wet - I do guess that ATs would
be better, but as long as I slow down a bit more before the corners
should be OK.
With mud they are better than the ATs, although where I go off road a
lot on really slippery chalky clay they are as useless as ATs for grip,
they just clog up and spin - even fully locked up you just sit there.
Jon Wildsmith is giving me a part used set of Simex 35" Extreme
Treckers that look as though they will do a lot better - a bit closer
to tractor tyres that I think will be able to get a better bite. Just
need to pick up the remaining 3 and find some spare rims to put them
on.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Hi Ian,
I would lower the tyre pressure but am doing a lot of mixed surface driving
on day outs and then have the problem with airing up afterwards. Perhaps
when I get around to fitting an on board air supply I would consider it.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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I don't want to jump in and I feel bad for doing so, but for onboard air systems I'm your man. I am the UK dealer for Viair compressors and air tanks etc. I do lots of different compressors and a few different tanks. Also all the pressure switches, fitting, gauges etc.
Take a look at www.mattsavage.com/viair
Very roughly for an on board air system (compressor, tank, pressure switch, all fittings, coil air hose, gauge everything) it'd be about =A3300. Depending on tank and compressor. That'd be a fantastic system. Re-inflate big tyres in about 1min 20secs.
I realy do apologise for commercial bragging. I'll keep quiet now and think about sorting out my CV joints.
Cheers,
Matt Savage
Derbyshire UK.
1991 HDJ80
1950 80" Landy V8
Red lawn mower with new spark plug
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From: Julian Voelcker
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] M & S tyres
Hi Ian,
> a) low pressure - to allow the tyre flex to spit the mud out. This would
> probably be the best option for dual purpose cars. We do need to lock
> the tyres to the rim to stop the rims spinning inside the tyres whilst
> running pressures down to 6 psi or lower in some cases.
I would lower the tyre pressure but am doing a lot of mixed surface driving
on day outs and then have the problem with airing up afterwards. Perhaps
when I get around to fitting an on board air supply I would consider it.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
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Sent: 15 February 2005 14:51
Can't speak for the others but I for one don't mind Matt, you're giving
us useful information, not a hard sell :)
Jon.
 
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On Behalf Of Anthony Graham
Sent: 15 February 2005 12:17
I shouldn't think it's all that often they're going spare :) Wait
another 6 months and I might have some part worn 36x12.5x16's in need of
a new home. The difference between the Simex ET's and other MT's is like
night and day, especially on a heavy LC.
I'm finding that where as the 10.5's were a bit rough on road the 12.5's
are much better behaved and quite bearable other than their poor wear
rate. I wouldn't have 12.5 MT's again for serious use though, too wide
for such a close tread pattern so they sit on top more instead of
digging down. Ok for a shopping trolley though.
Jon.
 
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Julian,
Thats my setup- AT's for normal and MT+ for 4x4ing.
Still running BFG AT's (265) for normal driving and then Simex (34") when
4x4ing.
I like the BFG's for normal stuff and would leave on for any (not too high
<4 rating) easy trails.
Were fine in Scotland in normal (heavy :) rain. No rain here so can't
compare.
However not good in snow and do slide around (on roads) but Simex are kinda
worse in that respect - as very wide lugs so not a lot of "rubber" reaching
the road. So can't compare with any others in that respect.
Would I run them again - probably but not adverse to looking at another
brand. One I like over here (USA) is Big-O as they offer a lifetime warranty
and will replace even if get ripped up when 4x4ing. They even replaced 2
tires while I was in Scotland (as brought them back from US). How's that for
customer service (just sent me a cheque :)
Only delima is when u're on a long trip and would like to do some 4x4ing.
The Simex aren't great for wear and like to keep them off the road as much
as possible (should really get a trailer for the long-distance away 4x4
trails). Hence running the AT's on some trails (as they are low) when far
away is a compromise. However thats totally outa the question if very muddy
(not chance here) or more than 2" snow.
So for that situation (as some trips for 4x4ing are 1-2 hours away + :) it
would be best to pull a trailer with the Simex or go with larger AT's. Most
guys here run the MT's in 285 as an all round compromise and that seems to
work.
Lal
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From: [Email address removed]
[mailto:[Email address removed]]On Behalf Of Julian Voelcker
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:49 AM
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] M & S tyres
Hi Anthony/Jon,
the
Well I have had my last (on BFG ATs) and current (on Goodyear Wrangler MT's)
LC's sideways in the wet on tarmac.
The ATs are a little bit better than the MTs in the wet, although the MTs
aren't that bad - you really have to be pushing it to get the back end out
and
then it is easy to control.
Ideally I would have 2 sets of rims - ATs for general use and perhaps
something like some Simexes for weekends.
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Jon,
I should imagine there are not that many about full stop never mind part
used ones. New they are quite expensive so are a consideration especially
if one has only a single set of rims because of the compromises that these
sort of tyres force on you. By all means give me a shout if an other set
becomes available. There is a trend these days even in agricultural tyres
is to go wider with lower profiles but I agree they may float and not dig in
but equally digging in may have its problems too. I am sure every one has
seen old film of 1920's cars going off road with skinny tyres and doing
amazingly well 2weel drive to boot.
Anthony Graham
1994HDJ801HD-T
West Wales
UK
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From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Jon Wildsmith
Sent: 15 February 2005 16:13
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Subject: RE: [ELCO] M & S tyres
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]]
On Behalf Of Anthony Graham
Sent: 15 February 2005 12:17
I shouldn't think it's all that often they're going spare :) Wait
another 6 months and I might have some part worn 36x12.5x16's in need of
a new home. The difference between the Simex ET's and other MT's is like
night and day, especially on a heavy LC.
I'm finding that where as the 10.5's were a bit rough on road the 12.5's
are much better behaved and quite bearable other than their poor wear
rate. I wouldn't have 12.5 MT's again for serious use though, too wide
for such a close tread pattern so they sit on top more instead of
digging down. Ok for a shopping trolley though.
Jon.
 
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