Peak civilisation.

[Shayne]

Not me i still put my shoes on the wrong feet every morning and arrive every place ass about face .

 

[jibberjabber]

Apologies for the late reply.
I've been extremely busy being a "capitalist" working my backside off in my manual job providing for my family..

I'm curious. please, educate me.
How is it the left manage to bring the topic of racism into every debate?

It certainly appears to be the case, when someone dares to have an opinion differing from there own, there favourite card comes out...

Yes, it seem the the far left anarchists libertarians are not happy untill they have twisted every thread to their way of thinking, the most mild topic is twisted, warped and spun around.

So, instead of criticism why don't they try the education approach, after all they were not born far lefties, someone had to educate and influence them.

Perhaps they could start a thread and post all their thoughts in said thread, then we could all read and learn.

I think it was a wise lefty, whose name eludes me at the moment, who said "education, education, education"

 

[jibberjabber]

Not me i still put my shoes on the wrong feet every morning and arrive every place ass about face .

Then if you put you shoes on the wrong way round, you would arrive before you left

Thats 'left' as in leaving, not 'left' in the political sense.

 

[Shayne]

Only to be told tomorrows meeting was yesterday .

 

[chapel gate]

Not me i still put my shoes on the wrong feet every morning and arrive every place ass about face .

Edited to "far left".

 

[jibberjabber]

Only to be told tomorrows meeting was yesterday .

I always arrive late at the office but make up for it by leaving early.

 

[jibberjabber]

yes its overpopulated with folks who run gas guzzling 4x4s for pleasure.....
whilst in not calling anyone who contributed to this thread a racist overpopulation is something that s used to argue that black ,brown & Asian folks are a problem.
about 15 to 20 percent of the worlds population live in developed countries & consume 75 percent of the worlds resources.
A more equitable distribution of resources would maybe see things like millon pound super cars disappear & luxuries like decent housing , health care & public services become more of a priority.
older folks are respected & play a full part in Spanish society.
Any Spanish pensioner , widow over the age of 55 or folks on disability benefit is entitled to subsidised holidays in the off season the objective being
"contributing to improving their quality of life , health & preventing them becoming dependent on others"
As someone in the social security system here im looking forward to retiring & going on the razz with the other gimmers. Anyone who is resident is entitled.Spain isnt a socialist paradise , not by a long chalk but society here hasn't given up on the underdog.

So, what is your solution? Details in depth please.

 

[jibberjabber]

I have some questions and some poins I would like you clarify, so that I can have more understanding.

yes its overpopulated with folks who run gas guzzling 4x4s for pleasure..... Could you expand on this statement please?

whilst in not calling anyone who contributed to this thread a racist overpopulation is something that s used to argue that black ,brown & Asian folks are a problem. Why would you use the word racist if your not calling anyone a racist?

about 15 to 20 percent of the worlds population live in developed countries & consume 75 percent of the worlds resources. More details please to back up your statement.

A more equitable distribution of resources would maybe see things like millon pound super cars disappear & luxuries like decent housing , health care & public services become more of a priority. How do you think the people who own these million pound super cars acquired them. again, more details please.

older folks are respected & play a full part in Spanish society. Just the same as they do in the UK, if they want to.

Any Spanish pensioner , widow over the age of 55 or folks on disability benefit is entitled to subsidised holidays in the off season the objective being
"contributing to improving their quality of life , health & preventing them becoming dependent on others"How is this funded, from the sale of the million pound super cars that have been confiscated or from the millionaires who used to own them, also would there be any millionaires in the utopian society?

As someone in the social security system here im looking forward to retiring & going on the razz with the other gimmers. If you are looking forward to retirement in Spain why do you criticize the UK so much?

Anyone who is resident is entitled.Spain isnt a socialist paradise , If Spain isn't a socialist paradise and you are a socialist why don't you find a socialist paradise to live in?

not by a long chalk but society here hasn't given up on the underdog. Has the UK given up on the underdog in your opinion?

Looking forward to your constructive answers, so that I may better understand you philosophy.

Hope you are well.

 

[goodoldboy]

Apologies for the late reply.
I've been extremely busy being a "capitalist" working my backside off in my manual job providing for my family..

I'm curious. please, educate me.
How is it the far left manage to bring the topic of racism into every debate?

It certainly appears to be the case, when someone dares to have an opinion differing from there own, there favourite card comes out...

If you read my post you would see that i simply said that racists held this view & i was careful to point this out.Lots of folks think that overpopulation is a problem including some anarchists , leftists , vegans ( & before you ask no im not) etc -respectable peeps.No one has challenged the substance of my claim , that overconsumption by a minority is the problem not the total per se.A consensus has formed around this without any real evidence.

Apologies for the late reply.
I've been extremely busy being a "capitalist" working my backside off in my manual job providing for my family..

if you were a capitalist you would be sitting at home while some other poor bugger worked to support your family.

It certainly appears to be the case, when someone dares to have an opinion differing from there own, there favourite card comes out...

im quite happy to debate on here & im willing to defend my claims.The " there s too many of us , not enough to go round "= overpopulation claim seems to fatally undermined by the facts.The fact that the far right holds this view should be a red flag insomuch as almost without exception their " theories " are complete nonsense.

 

[jibberjabber]

If you read my post you would see that i simply said that racists held this view & i was careful to point this out.Lots of folks think that overpopulation is a problem including some anarchists , leftists , vegans ( & before you ask no im not) etc -respectable peeps.No one has challenged the substance of my claim , that overconsumption by a minority is the problem not the total per se.A consensus has formed around this without any real evidence.

if you were a capitalist you would be sitting at home while some other poor bugger worked to support your family.

im quite happy to debate on here & im willing to defend my claims.The " there s too many of us , not enough to go round "= overpopulation claim seems to fatally undermined by the facts.The fact that the far right holds this view should be a red flag insomuch as almost without exception their " theories " are complete nonsense.

Again, you have not answerd any questions with any substance, just rhetoric.

"The fact that the far right holds this view should be a red flag insomuch as almost without exception their " theories " are complete nonsense".

If this is you opinion, then you should qualify it, not just dismiss it out of hand, if you can't come up with a sensible reply instead of just a tit-for-tate comment then you are equaly as bad as the Far-Right in the opposite direction.

 

[goodoldboy]

yes its overpopulated with folks who run gas guzzling 4x4s for pleasure..... Could you expand on this statement please?

irony.

about 15 to 20 percent of the worlds population live in developed countries & consume 75 percent of the worlds resources. More details please to back up your statement.

do your own search & if im wrong you can correct me

older folks are respected & play a full part in Spanish society. Just the same as they do in the UK, if they want to.

Spanish society is distinct , its a much more family orientated space.Older people are much more visible 6 respected it seems - no one has made the argument that corvi 19 should "run its course"

Any Spanish pensioner , widow over the age of 55 or folks on disability benefit is entitled to subsidised holidays in the off season the objective being
"contributing to improving their quality of life , health & preventing them becoming dependent on others"How is this funded, from the sale of the million pound super cars that have been confiscated or from the millionaires who used to own them, also would there be any millionaires in the utopian society?

its funded by the social security that working folks pay into.I dont think i advocated confiscation.Is decent housing , health care & a reasonable standard of living a utopia? & no millionaires wouldn'texist in my utopia.

Anyone who is resident is entitled.Spain isnt a socialist paradise , If Spain isn't a socialist paradise and you are a socialist why don't you find a socialist paradise to live in?

because there isn such a thing as a socialist paradise , all we can do is try but surely a better world is possible?

not by a long chalk but society here hasn't given up on the underdog. Has the UK given up on the underdog in your opinion?

yeah definitely.The amount of bile & hatred directed towards the poor , unemployed & homeless demonstrates this.

Hope you are well.

i am thanks Jibber hope youre doing good yourself.
im sure if we met around a campfire we would get on just fine & the topics of conversationwould be far more important - like is the 40 the greatest Landcuriser or the .........
95 ?

 

[jibberjabber]

im quite happy to debate on here & im willing to defend my claims

Then start a new thread where LCC members can have a debate dedicated to, Libertarianism verses Decadent Capitalism. In an adult civilised manner.

 

[goodoldboy]

Then start a new thread where LCC members can have a debate dedicated to Communism & Socialism verses Decadent Capitalism. In an adult civilised manner.

im quite happy here thanks .nobody owns this thread & no one is forcing you to take part.

 

[jibberjabber]

irony.

do your own search & if im wrong you can correct me. I'm not doing any reserch just to give you the answer, it's you that made the claim not me.

Spanish society is distinct , its a much more family orientated space.Older people are much more visible 6 respected it seems - no one has made the argument that corvi 19 should "run its course" I don't understand your reply


its funded by the social security that working folks pay into.I dont think i advocated confiscation.Is decent housing , health care & a reasonable standard of living a utopia? & no millionaires wouldn'texist in my utopia.
If there were no millionairs there would be no money, Why do you think the USSR went bust, and now there are thousands on millionaires in the new Russia

because there isn such a thing as a socialist paradise , all we can do is try but surely a better world is possible?

yeah definitely.The amount of bile & hatred directed towards the poor , unemployed & homeless demonstrates this. Where do you get this info from?

i am thanks Jibber hope youre doing good yourself. I'm doing fine, so far, thanks.
im sure if we met around a campfire we would get on just fine & the topics of conversationwould be far more important - like is the 40 the greatest Landcuriser or the .........
95 ?

Yes, I agree with you las statement, but I wouldn't want to stink of smoke.

 

[jibberjabber]

im quite happy here thanks .nobody owns this thread & no one is forcing you to take part.

There you go, tit-for-tate, surely the OP starter owns the thread, and you are forcing me to take part by making so many unsubstantiated claims.

I'm not making any claims, and as I said many times I'm just trying to understand.

I have also notice you only answer selected questions, just like the politicians you despise.

Anyway, thats enough from for tonight, you can have the last word for now if you like.

We'll carry on tomorrow, if your up to it, prehaps you might like to ask me some questions, and I'll do my best to answer them in a way you can understand.

Good Dreams.

 

[jibberjabber]

I like this quote.

To quote Theodore Roosevelt:
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”

 

[Rob Cowell]

I like this quote.

To quote Theodore Roosevelt:
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”

I really can't be bothered with a big argument about this, and once again for the avoidance of doubt I don't want anyone to die before their time. But you suggested there was a problem with over population and then seem to take offence at suggestions of how to mitigate for this.

Realistically we are not going to artificially limit population growth unless we stop extending life, and no one wants to do that. Pretty much every organism is programmed to maximise life expectancy, we are just particularly good at it. The % rate of growth has been dropping since the late 60s and expected to continue to do so. I don't see any mileage in even talking about restricting birth rates even further without some very solid ideas on how to support an ageing population.

The only way we will lessen impact of this inevitable growth is to use resources more efficiently. Generally the modern, industrial nations are very bad at this but the rest of the world is catching up. I don't know if 70 or 80% of resources are used by 20 or 30% but it sounds about right. If anyone wants to try and model it the figure to look for is DMC (Domestic Material Consumption) but I haven't seen a global set of data. It mostly comes out for the EU.

If you want to look at energy consumed per capita there are some maps here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_energy_consumption_per_capita#cite_note-5 and you'll see that the most populous countries, China, India, Indonesia, Pakistan are relatively low users. The country that spoils it with population and high energy consumption is the US. This does not imply I am blaming all Americans.

 

[jibberjabber]

I really can't be bothered with a big argument about this, and once again for the avoidance of doubt I don't want anyone to die before their time. But you suggested there was a problem with over population and then seem to take offence at suggestions of how to mitigate for this.

Realistically we are not going to artificially limit population growth unless we stop extending life, and no one wants to do that. Pretty much every organism is programmed to maximise life expectancy, we are just particularly good at it. The % rate of growth has been dropping since the late 60s and expected to continue to do so. I don't see any mileage in even talking about restricting birth rates even further without some very solid ideas on how to support an ageing population.

The only way we will lessen impact of this inevitable growth is to use resources more efficiently. Generally the modern, industrial nations are very bad at this but the rest of the world is catching up. I don't know if 70 or 80% of resources are used by 20 or 30% but it sounds about right. If anyone wants to try and model it the figure to look for is DMC (Domestic Material Consumption) but I haven't seen a global set of data. It mostly comes out for the EU.

If you want to look at energy consumed per capita there are some maps here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_energy_consumption_per_capita#cite_note-5 and you'll see that the most populous countries, China, India, Indonesia, Pakistan are relatively low users. The country that spoils it with population and high energy consumption is the US. This does not imply I am blaming all Americans.

Are you doing this on purpose to me ? Are you trying to goad me ? If you "can't be bothered with the big argument" then you must be trying to directly pick on and target me, so I ask you to stop and desist now, I thought you had stopped with ridiculous point you are trying to push, get a life.

I have blocked you now, so your wind up tactics won't work on me anymore.

 

[goodoldboy]

I really can't be bothered with a big argument about this, and once again for the avoidance of doubt I don't want anyone to die before their time. But you suggested there was a problem with over population and then seem to take offence at suggestions of how to mitigate for this.

Realistically we are not going to artificially limit population growth unless we stop extending life, and no one wants to do that. Pretty much every organism is programmed to maximise life expectancy, we are just particularly good at it. The % rate of growth has been dropping since the late 60s and expected to continue to do so. I don't see any mileage in even talking about restricting birth rates even further without some very solid ideas on how to support an ageing population.

The only way we will lessen impact of this inevitable growth is to use resources more efficiently. Generally the modern, industrial nations are very bad at this but the rest of the world is catching up. I don't know if 70 or 80% of resources are used by 20 or 30% but it sounds about right. If anyone wants to try and model it the figure to look for is DMC (Domestic Material Consumption) but I haven't seen a global set of data. It mostly comes out for the EU.

If you want to look at energy consumed per capita there are some maps here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_energy_consumption_per_capita#cite_note-5 and you'll see that the most populous countries, China, India, Indonesia, Pakistan are relatively low users. The country that spoils it with population and high energy consumption is the US. This does not imply I am blaming all Americans.

1+ to the above

you are forcing me to take part by making so many unsubstantiated claims.

yeah really? you must be easily persuaded.

it seems you have a problem with anyone who doesn't agree with your position. you sau you havent made any claims so why are you against us that disagree with the idea that overpopulation is a problem?
.iv tried to answer your questions as fairly as i can but whilst im willing to debate im not going to be subjected to an interrogation by anybody.for the record what is your position on so called overpopulation?

 

[jibberjabber]

1+ to the above
yeah really? you must be easily persuaded.

it seems you have a problem with anyone who doesn't agree with your position. you sau you havent made any claims so why are you against us that disagree with the idea that overpopulation is a problem?
.iv tried to answer your questions as fairly as i can but whilst im willing to debate im not going to be subjected to an interrogation by anybody.for the record what is your position on so called overpopulation?

As usual you have gone off on a tangent, without knowing or reading all the facts, just go back and read the posts about old people being the problem.

With regard to me interrogating you, I’m sorry you feel that way, as I have stated many times, I am trying to understand the points you stand for by asking you questions, you and some others seem to have a chip on your shoulder for some reason.

you also seem to have a lot of pent up anger, perhaps a ‘chill pill’ or some 'wacky bacy' would help calm you down

I will answer your question on ‘over population’ it’s very, very simple, I think the earth has to many people to provide for, for every race creed or colour, that makes me a racist in your eyes.

I have not got a problem with any position, as long as the debate is conducted in a civil manner, but you and others always want to blame anyone but yourselves.

This is a quote from Rob Cowell " highly contagious virus that kills old people. Problem solved". and that "Overpopulation is caused by old people".

Common sense should tell you why I'm against you and your like.

I'll spell it out for you, I'm against you for exactly the same reasons that you are against me.

All you ever do is hide behind you keyboard, I think the term is 'Keyboard Warrior'

If no one else will stand up for old people against bullies like you and your kind, I will.

Have a nice day around your camp fire