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Lubo,
Theoretically you don't, I cannot check for sure without taking
mine apart and measuring the wire, given that I am working 6 to 18 at
the moment, Seven days a week mostly, I do not have the time to do it.
When did you want to upgrade?
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Clive Marks
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Christopher,
As I said I don't know about the relays, I would need to look for
a rating on them. Are they standard pin configuration?, if so it would
be easy to drop in proper relays. I wish I had the time and light to
check.
I also thought I had seen a bulb wattage specified.
Regards,
Clive Marks
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Clive

I know there are two relays in series: #1 is on/off, #2 is dipped/main and (from memory) it's the dipped/main one that tends to die. They are in the fusebox in the engine compartment, front LH side, and I have a feeling they are Toyota specials - certainly they are a bit of an odd shape.

I didn't investigate them since the relief harness I made just uses the original Toyota relays to switch a second (new) set, so the original Toyota wiring is now only carrying the load required to switch the relays - probably less than an amp.


I've spent about an hour trying to track down the law on headlight bulb wattages, and failed completely. As far as I can see the headlight and bulb makers have to meet all sorts of rules about light spread and overspill to get their "E" mark, but nowhere in ECE 48 or the UK regs does it mention anything so plebeian as watts.

I can only assume that there is some sort of tacit agreement between manufacturers and legislators that it should be limited to 60/55w for cars ... and then they bust a gut to get more out of that limit with the "50% brighter" stuff etc. Interestingly the limit for lorries (24v bulbs) seems to be 70w.


Ho hum .. bed-time!

CB

[Sorry Julian, I don't think this web interface to Outlook will let me send plain text)


Christopher,
As I said I don't know about the relays, I would need to look for
a rating on them. Are they standard pin configuration?, if so it would
be easy to drop in proper relays. I wish I had the time and light to
check.
I also thought I had seen a bulb wattage specified.
Regards,
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Hi Guys
If a person was to replace the main dipped/high beam bulbs with the HID
kits, would it then be necessary to replace the H1 bulbs with a HID kit
aswell.
Can you buy the lights relays in other places other than rip off TOYOTA.
cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
 
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John
| Hi Guys
| If a person was to replace the main dipped/high beam bulbs with the
HID
| kits, would it then be necessary to replace the H1 bulbs with a HID
kit
| aswell.
No technical reason to. In fact I've read that a yellower light, as
delivered by halogen, is better for long distance vision. Also HID is
quite slow to warm up - it takes a few seconds to reach full brightness
- so halogen is better for headlight flashing.
Incidentally that "HID is slow to warm up" issue raises another point. I
think it would be dangerous to install separate HID main and low beams
without also modifying the circuitry so that the low beam remained on
while high beam was active.
Otherwise you could be in the situation where you were driving along on
main beam, then when someone came the other way and you flipped to low
beam you would have a second or so where you had almost no lights at all
until the low beams warmed up from cold.
This isn't a big deal, two relays + two diodes would do the trick, but
it would mean that it wouldn't be a straight electrical swap into the
existing circuitry.
| Can you buy the lights relays in other places other than rip off
TOYOTA.
| cheers
No idea, sorry.
CB
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Christopher,
That relay arrangement sounds really bad. All four lights go
through both of the relays, so you have 230 Watts on both relays when
you have all four lights on. That is close to 20A. Upgrading would
probably put the relay past its limit. Mine is an import so I do not
have the relays to look at and comment.
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Clive Marks
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Clive
not before you confirm that I need to upgrade!
you see I get confused with all I read f.ex. : As far as the 80 series
goes:
- The 80 series wiring and relays will NOT take more than the standard
60/55w H4 outer, 55w H1 inner. The voltage drop in the standard Toyota
wiring is horrendous: I've measured it!
- You can get 130w/100w H4 bulbs for the outer, and 100w H1 for the inner,
but you MUST upgrade the wiring and relays. This is what I have done, and
the results are "ok" for dipped beam.
So what is right?
cheers
Lubo
PS No hurry though :)
 
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Hi Christopher
All the guys selling all the HID kits say its just a case of a few minutes,
all bits included and your done.
Ill see if I can get a few to answer me regarding that issues you brought
up.
cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
. SNIP
Also HID is
quite slow to warm up - it takes a few seconds to reach full brightness
- so halogen is better for headlight flashing.
Incidentally that "HID is slow to warm up" issue raises another point. I
think it would be dangerous to install separate HID main and low beams
without also modifying the circuitry so that the low beam remained on
while high beam was active.
Otherwise you could be in the situation where you were driving along on
main beam, then when someone came the other way and you flipped to low
beam you would have a second or so where you had almost no lights at all
until the low beams warmed up from cold.
This isn't a big deal, two relays + two diodes would do the trick, but
it would mean that it wouldn't be a straight electrical swap into the
existing circuitry.
| Can you buy the lights relays in other places other than rip off
TOYOTA.
| cheers
No idea, sorry.
CB
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Lubo,
From what Christopher has said about the relays you would be
better utilising his system of driving two proper relays with the Toy
one. You can get 40A, 30A are common, car relays. You could run four
20A relays, one for each light, triggered by the standard setup. Feed
the power to the relays from the battery through a fuse and use fused
relays, The sockets for the lights are easy to get so you would not
use, or chop about, the standard loom. Just do not use it.
Regards,
Clive Marks
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John,
This phrase"a few minutes" is a very relative one.
Regards,
Clive Marks
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Ok the Lubo I am have some very good wine tonight (1986) but I am stay
on my hunger to find out when the Julien does do his xenon lights
conversion's! The winter is no too far but 21 decembre is long, non
mon ami?
 
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