Re [Intercooler] - cost of pieces and labour etc

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Elco
Anybody out there able to give me a fair guestimate of how much should
I be prepared to pay for an intercooler on mine? (last quote I got
suggested something in the region of ?950) a mite stiff methinks - any
offers on that? (either above or below...not that I can afford it at the
moment
Renate
 
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Renate,
I have been toying with this one and I am thinking =A3500/=A3600, I
may be wrong but that is my thoughts.
Regards, Clive..
 
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Hi Renate,
Prices for kits go from about ?550 + VAT upwards including fitting.
The cheapest is probably from Andrew Graham at Allisport near
Gloucester at the price above, otherwise you are going up to over a
grand for kits from the likes of All-American in the Netherlands or
Safari in Aus.
Jeremy Fern will also put a kit together for you and guess it will be
for around the same as Andrews above.
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Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Julian
Yeah that's wot I thought....does it really improve fuel economy? i.e. improving to the extent where it will give me, say 25% fuel economy? and the other question, is it a blighter to put together? and does it compromise access to any part of the engine bits that I may need to gain access to?
Ren
Hi Renate,
Prices for kits go from about =A3550 + VAT upwards including fitting.
The cheapest is probably from Andrew Graham at Allisport near
Gloucester at the price above, otherwise you are going up to over a
grand for kits from the likes of All-American in the Netherlands or
Safari in Aus.
Jeremy Fern will also put a kit together for you and guess it will be
for around the same as Andrews above.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Hi Renate,
Yes and no. Generally a reasonable intercooler on a 12valve 80 like
yours can increase power and torque by around 25-30% each and if you
drive it carefully will give an improvement in fuel consumption, but I
doubt you will ever get much more than around say 10-15% and then only
if you compliment it with a decent 2.5-3" exhaust.
The key thing with all these mods is to improve the efficiency of the
engine and thus in theory improve the economy, but inevitably drivers
to tend to make use of the extra power/torque so the economy benefits
tend to go out the window a bit.
Having said that you will get more visible economy improvements from
the putting an intercooler and better exhaust on a 24valve as Dermott
has shown.
The kits from people like Jeremy Fearn and Andrew Graham involve
modifying the inlet manifold that goes across the engine so they aren't
the sort of thing that you can do at home, unless you get an inlet
manifold from a 1HZ engine that is already shorter.
However I know that Andrew will fit his kit for free and setup the
engine for you - it takes about a day, although Andrew would prefer to
have the car for a couple of days.
Kits like the one from All-American and Safari (actually not sure if
they still do them) are bolt on kits and come with detailed
instructions for installing and also tweaking the turbo boost and
injector pump. You and Matt should certainly be able to do it between
you.
Generally the kits have a pipe running from the end of the inlet pipe,
down the left of the top of the engine (viewed from front of vehicle)
and then it cuts across the front of the engine to the right hand side
with pipes running to the intercooler positioned infront of the
radiator.
This arrangements can cause problems if you are thinking of fitting
extra ancillaries to the front of the engine like a compressor for on
board air or an extra hydraulic pump for a winch.
Also, having the intercooler in front of the radiator can cause an
issue if you want to put an extra oil cooler on for the auto box
(recommended) - the only solution is to mount the cooler between the
chassis rails below and behind the radiator - I gather some BMW oil
cooler will fit there - I have some sketches to show this somewhere.
I hope that all helps.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Julian
So its worth considering then?
I'm thinking of getting a complete new exhaust system - a longlife stainless steel one that doesn't rust - =A3350 all in, they will have l'beast for about half a day and it will be completed, they will also give me another vehicle to use if I need to have one whilst they are working on mine
So exhaust first or intercooler?
Renate
Hi Renate,
Yes and no. Generally a reasonable intercooler on a 12valve 80 like
yours can increase power and torque by around 25-30% each and if you
drive it carefully will give an improvement in fuel consumption, but I
doubt you will ever get much more than around say 10-15% and then only
if you compliment it with a decent 2.5-3" exhaust.
The key thing with all these mods is to improve the efficiency of the
engine and thus in theory improve the economy, but inevitably drivers
to tend to make use of the extra power/torque so the economy benefits
tend to go out the window a bit.
Having said that you will get more visible economy improvements from
the putting an intercooler and better exhaust on a 24valve as Dermott
has shown.
The kits from people like Jeremy Fearn and Andrew Graham involve
modifying the inlet manifold that goes across the engine so they aren't
the sort of thing that you can do at home, unless you get an inlet
manifold from a 1HZ engine that is already shorter.
However I know that Andrew will fit his kit for free and setup the
engine for you - it takes about a day, although Andrew would prefer to
have the car for a couple of days.
Kits like the one from All-American and Safari (actually not sure if
they still do them) are bolt on kits and come with detailed
instructions for installing and also tweaking the turbo boost and
injector pump. You and Matt should certainly be able to do it between
you.
Generally the kits have a pipe running from the end of the inlet pipe,
down the left of the top of the engine (viewed from front of vehicle)
and then it cuts across the front of the engine to the right hand side
with pipes running to the intercooler positioned infront of the
radiator.
This arrangements can cause problems if you are thinking of fitting
extra ancillaries to the front of the engine like a compressor for on
board air or an extra hydraulic pump for a winch.
Also, having the intercooler in front of the radiator can cause an
issue if you want to put an extra oil cooler on for the auto box
(recommended) - the only solution is to mount the cooler between the
chassis rails below and behind the radiator - I gather some BMW oil
cooler will fit there - I have some sketches to show this somewhere.
I hope that all helps.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Hi Renate,
I would, but it really depends on your budget and your plans for the
vehicle - the money may be better spent else where.
Sounds good - what size are they fitting? - ideally try to go for 3",
although a 2.5" is still an improvement over stock.
Whilst they are at it, ask them to make sure that it is well tucked up
under the vehicle - I have seen some custom made ones that hang down a
bit.
If you need a new exhaust, then go for that first. You will get an
improvement in turbo response from a decent exhaust so fit that first,
then go for the intercooler.
*PS - you didn't need to the quote the whole of my message when
replying*
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Julian
Your "PS" sorry...
I'll get the bits sorted then.
Ren
 
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