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Renate's Wheel Studs

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Morning Renate,
I am intrigued to know how you are managing to snap these off - areyou
just over torquing them?
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
Hi Renate
I am with Julian on this. I am also intrigued to hear how you break wheels
studs!
Regards
Simon Hughes
 
On 7/14/05, Simon Hughes <[Email address removed]> wrote:
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Inspired spannering? ;-)
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
I've had studs snap in similar circumstances. Once there's a bit of play
the stud gets whacked back and forth till it gives up. I'd think about
replacing all the studs on each hub this has happened on Renate, not
just the broken studs. The others may be fatigued and waiting to let go
as well, probably when you'd least like it to happen.
Best regards,
Jon.
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Sent: 14 July 2005 11:52
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Renate's Wheel Studs
Mornin' Julian
Nup!
It broke off cleanly again, like the other one - me's didn't tighten
them
up to the specified torque recommended over the weekend, so they all
worked loose - its a wonder the entire wheel didn't come off, or that I
caused a major 'incident' (accident) on the roads around here...
Well, ya liv and learn....
I was, however, duly ticked off by a very matriarchal mother of a biker
mate of mine....she gave me what for (bless her...she's in her 80's).
So
there you have it - I was just lucky I guess.
Matt the boyfriend also told me off too (he came and sorted me out 'cos
I
couldn't get home last night...) - he pretends he doesn't care at all,
but
he does really...(bless the little =A3%$&!)...so he also gave me what for
in
the presence of the others...duly embarrased I hung my head...
But I don't mind 'cos I was able to get some serious valuable
merchandise
for THE major bike rally in August on Kemble Air Field (tickets are like
pure gold nuggets; they had sold out by Feb this year...methinks I can
make a lucractive profit-margin on them....well one has to, doesn't
one?...)
Regards
Renate
Morning Renate,
 
Hey Renate
I think its time to get out the big torque wrench and go round mine again.
Boy do I ever fear a wheel coming off while driving.
Talking of accidents saw a very nasty one last Friday night on the Blackwall
approach road/A2 just before the 2nd to last junction two cars collided when
one crossed from outside to the inside to come off the slip road and both
cars were totalled. Happened 10 cars in front of me and around a small bend
so I did not see it but was told by someone else who nearly crashed into
them himself. Impossible to tell what make or even colour of the cars as
there was little left of either of them. More than 4 ambulances and all
left the scene later with sirens off..... Not a good sign I think. Terrible
waste of life. Makes me humble.
Regards
Simon Hughes
 
Hi Guys
I went around all the local tyre and motor factors regarding the torque
wrench for my wheels. They all told me that im basically mad, but then I
knew that. They all insist that that tool is great if you intend to use it
on other things but just for wheels no way, tighten them as hard as you can
so they dont fall off and bobs your uncle. The wrench is between 70 and 150
euro here to buy. I have a question so what say you all dont you always.
Well here it is, how would you replace all the studs and at what cost, well
it could be a good idea couldn't it.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
 
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Hi John
IMHO your factors are giving you a load of bull.
there is a correct torque to tighten wheel nuts to, just as there is a
correct torque setting for every other nut and bolt on the vehicle, or
indeed on any vehicle.
It's impossible to guestimate the correct tightness beleive me.
Get a torque wrench and cheque your wheel nuts, you may owe your life to
it one day!
Pete
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I'll even learn to spell one day!! :)
Pete
Peter Browning wrote:
 
On 7/14/05, john byrne <[Email address removed]> wrote:
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John
In a way they are right, you don't need a torque wrench to do up a big
nut , especially
when you repeat this action dozens of times a day. But to get some
practice and in order to get the feel of it, one needs a yardstick.
The cheapest torque wrenches from tooled-up.com costy ca 20 quid.
A pack of six studs cost only a couple of quid from the main dealer.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
Roman wrote:
I disagree.
I would only NOT use a torque wrench if I was changing a wheel at the
roadside or similar due to a puncture and using the toolkit wheelbrace.
Otherwise I always use a torque wrench. I know from experience that I
cannot get anywhere near the correct torque by guestimation because I
have checked. Not only are the nuts at the wrong torque but they all vary.
Nope, use a torque wrench every time IMO.
Pete
 
Pete is absolutely right! Almost had my wife, and children
injured (or worse). By an idiot at Halfords. Left the wheel nuts only
finger tight after balancing the wheels. My wife and children were going
on a trip early the next morning (one of the reasons for having the car
checked, and wheels balanced).
At about 20 MPH on the motorway (heavy traffic) the front
nearside wheel comes off! RAC attend and find all the other wheel nuts
only finger tight! This was in the days before mobile phones. This
ocurred only a couple of miles from the aforementioned branch of
Halfords. So after the RAC had check the car and made it safe. She goes
back to Halfords. Who state someone else must have loosened them.
Yeah right! the car went from Halford's the previous night
straight into a locked garage with my Toyota Hilux parked hard against
the door! They check and tighted the wheels nuts. I arrived home, and I
check the wheel nuts.
Yeah they're tight this time, so tight it takes a 6 foot
scaffold pole on a spider to shift them! And these are alloy wheels
we're talking about! So after my "polite" conversation if appears
Halford's might sell torque wrenches, but have no idea what they're for!
So my point is absolutely use a torque wrench on wheel
nuts/bolts. Anyone who advises you against it is a dangerous fool!!! (IN
the motor trade or NOT!) Don't let an idiot in the tyre shop wind them
on with an air impact wrench either. They set the (or most do) pressure
"full bore" as it puts the nuts on faster. Most will, if asked will, use
a torque wrench and do the job properly/safely!
Rob
I disagree.
I would only NOT use a torque wrench if I was changing a wheel at the
roadside or similar due to a puncture and using the toolkit wheelbrace.
Otherwise I always use a torque wrench. I know from experience that I
cannot get anywhere near the correct torque by guestimation because I
have checked. Not only are the nuts at the wrong torque but they all
vary.
Nope, use a torque wrench every time IMO.
Pete

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Further to my post below
Read the following on also why OVERTIGHTENING is just as bad!
http://www.normarkindustries.com/CausesEffects.htm
Rob
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From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]]
On Behalf Of Robert Edwards
Sent: 14 July 2005 19:43
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: RE: [ELCO] Renate's Wheel Studs
Pete is absolutely right! Almost had my wife, and children
injured (or worse). By an idiot at Halfords. Left the wheel nuts only
finger tight after balancing the wheels. My wife and children were going
on a trip early the next morning (one of the reasons for having the car
checked, and wheels balanced).
At about 20 MPH on the motorway (heavy traffic) the front
nearside wheel comes off! RAC attend and find all the other wheel nuts
only finger tight! This was in the days before mobile phones. This
ocurred only a couple of miles from the aforementioned branch of
Halfords. So after the RAC had check the car and made it safe. She goes
back to Halfords. Who state someone else must have loosened them.
Yeah right! the car went from Halford's the previous night
straight into a locked garage with my Toyota Hilux parked hard against
the door! They check and tighted the wheels nuts. I arrived home, and I
check the wheel nuts.
Yeah they're tight this time, so tight it takes a 6 foot
scaffold pole on a spider to shift them! And these are alloy wheels
we're talking about! So after my "polite" conversation if appears
Halford's might sell torque wrenches, but have no idea what they're for!
So my point is absolutely use a torque wrench on wheel
nuts/bolts. Anyone who advises you against it is a dangerous fool!!! (IN
the motor trade or NOT!) Don't let an idiot in the tyre shop wind them
on with an air impact wrench either. They set the (or most do) pressure
"full bore" as it puts the nuts on faster. Most will, if asked will, use
a torque wrench and do the job properly/safely!
Rob
I disagree.
I would only NOT use a torque wrench if I was changing a wheel at the
roadside or similar due to a puncture and using the toolkit wheelbrace.
Otherwise I always use a torque wrench. I know from experience that I
cannot get anywhere near the correct torque by guestimation because I
have checked. Not only are the nuts at the wrong torque but they all
vary.
Nope, use a torque wrench every time IMO.
Pete

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