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OK Julian,
As for PMR's they are very useful, even in our 4 floor house we use them
for Tania to talk to me when I am in the basement garage or out in the
garden. (Funny story - today the neighbour started a bonfire in the garden
where there was an abandoned truck in the undergrowth. He had to put the
fire out when the heat started bursting the discarded AK47 shells and the
grenades in the undergrowth! Tania kept away from the windows for the
duration).
Water filled ruts - yes but you don't know that's what they are, you just
see a large puddle across the track in front of you. Its only when you get
into them that you realise what you have run into, also remember that there
are many small streams running across the Plain too, and that is often the
cause of the large puddle ! Point is, you can't predict what is in front of
you even if you think you are away from the heavily rutted staff made by
the army.
GPS - try marine suppliers found in Practical Boat Owner mag. You don't
need one with map software, especially as where you are going there are no
GPS maps with such detail. Its just a case of finding out where you are.
You end up going up and down so many tracks that it is easy to get
disorientated, especially if its a bit foggy. We all got lost when we got
onto a hard road and the GPS expert didn't have a reference for it ! Out
here we use Garmin Etrex basic for my staff and I use a 'Summit'. No maps
of the Balkans so the low spec ones are good enough, especially the Summit
with an integral barometer. Useful when you are up in the mountains where
the weather changes rapidly.
Pajero Club out there the same day - wow - watch that lot, all knobbly
tyres, spoilers above the tailgate and chrome strips on the doors. But it
don't stop some of them gettin stuck ! The local man 'Jon Boy' is very
useful, say hello if you come across them.
Enjoy all of you.
Cheers
Jon
'92 HZJ80 ex UN surplus in Bosnia - who is splashing around the mountains
all day on the 5th and getting paid to do so :o))
 
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I have a few PMR's for co-ordinating recoveries etc but usually rely on
CB for vehicle to vehicle, the PMR's have tiny speakers and can be very
hard to hear at main road speeds but should be fine for crawling along
tracks.
I'd second that, have seen a vehicle disappear into what looked like a
puddle only to find someone with a JCB has dug a 4 foot deep vehicle
trap ...
The 50k OS maps show all the HA recorded PROW, which is probably what
we'll be using? Julian, if you're trying to work out who's got what for
organising this, my setup has the 50K OS maps on it and I've been
practising using them as much as I can :)
Best Regards,
Jon.
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From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]]
On Behalf Of toy80
Sent: 04 November 2004 22:47
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: [ELCO] Salisbury Plain
OK Julian,
As for PMR's they are very useful, even in our 4 floor house we use them
for Tania to talk to me when I am in the basement garage or out in the
garden. (Funny story - today the neighbour started a bonfire in the
garden
where there was an abandoned truck in the undergrowth. He had to put the
fire out when the heat started bursting the discarded AK47 shells and
the
grenades in the undergrowth! Tania kept away from the windows for the
duration).
Water filled ruts - yes but you don't know that's what they are, you
just
see a large puddle across the track in front of you. Its only when you
get
into them that you realise what you have run into, also remember that
there
are many small streams running across the Plain too, and that is often
the
cause of the large puddle ! Point is, you can't predict what is in front
of
you even if you think you are away from the heavily rutted staff made by
the army.
GPS - try marine suppliers found in Practical Boat Owner mag. You don't
need one with map software, especially as where you are going there are
no
GPS maps with such detail. Its just a case of finding out where you are.
You end up going up and down so many tracks that it is easy to get
disorientated, especially if its a bit foggy. We all got lost when we
got
onto a hard road and the GPS expert didn't have a reference for it !
Out
here we use Garmin Etrex basic for my staff and I use a 'Summit'. No
maps
of the Balkans so the low spec ones are good enough, especially the
Summit
with an integral barometer. Useful when you are up in the mountains
where
the weather changes rapidly.
Pajero Club out there the same day - wow - watch that lot, all knobbly
tyres, spoilers above the tailgate and chrome strips on the doors. But
it
don't stop some of them gettin stuck ! The local man 'Jon Boy' is very
useful, say hello if you come across them.
Enjoy all of you.
Cheers
Jon
'92 HZJ80 ex UN surplus in Bosnia - who is splashing around the
mountains
all day on the 5th and getting paid to do so :o))
 
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Hi Jon,
Would you be able to bring some along?
Sounds like fun (not). It is a bit of a battle ground out there for
green laners. On the flip side I have seen rouge laners just take off
across private land driving through pheasant rearing pens and one of our
neighbours had some LandRover user deciding to play in a wet patch in one
of his fields in the middle of the night - it was actually a flooded pond
and the first LandRover got bogged and left.
Not really thought that far ahead, although need to pull my finger out.
I also have Memory Map with the 50k maps on my laptop - just need to find
a GPS to run with it.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Yes, think I have 4.
These are rouge people, or possibly rouge drivers, what makes them rouge
laners? Should we ban all cars from the road because rouge drivers speed
or drive dangerously on surfaced roads without consideration for others?
Don't get me wrong, I detest people driving on private land without
permission, for all sorts of reasons, and have great sympathy for the
land owners in this respect, but it doesn't help anyone to stereo type
them as 'rouge laners'. Take the registration numbers of the vehicles
and inform the police, it is an offence to drive a vehicle on land not
forming part of a highway, people can and do get prosecuted for this,
just as they do for speeding. Historically the land owners have
benefited financially from having highways passing adjacent to or over
their land and they took full advantage of this, they've had their
money, now they should leave the public's rights alone.
Jon.
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On Behalf Of Julian Voelcker
Sent: 05 November 2004 09:43
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Salisbury Plain
Hi Jon,
on
very
Would you be able to bring some along?
Sounds like fun (not). It is a bit of a battle ground out there for
green laners. On the flip side I have seen rouge laners just take off
across private land driving through pheasant rearing pens and one of our
neighbours had some LandRover user deciding to play in a wet patch in
one
of his fields in the middle of the night - it was actually a flooded
pond
and the first LandRover got bogged and left.
Not really thought that far ahead, although need to pull my finger out.
I also have Memory Map with the 50k maps on my laptop - just need to
find
a GPS to run with it.
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Are these 'rouge laners' red faced people or are they, in fact rogue laners
and not just large consumers of wine, or drivers with a makeup blusher
fetish....? :)
Awaiting a bat from the moderator.....
Neill Watson
 
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Hi Jon,
Don't worry, wasn't criticising all green laners - just used the term on
the basis that they were rouge drivers that were green laning but had
diverted from the lane for a bit of 'fun'.
Of course not.
That's interesting - we have a byway going across the family farm, but I
don't recall us ever benefitting from it financially (we have been there
since '66).
I agree that the public's rights should be protected.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Hi,
No, 1966 is much too recent, but when your family purchased it the price
should have reflected that it has a public highway crossing it so in
that respect your family have benefited from it financially in the same
way as the value of my current house reflects that it is adjacent to a
main road. Out of curiosity, does the byway cross your land, as in only
the surface is vested in the HA, or is it a separate parcel of land
which quite often does not belong to the adjacent land owners? Do you
have a grid reference for it?
Back when tax was based on how much productive land you owned, the
inland revenue drew up tithe maps and the public highways were (rightly)
excluded as non-productive and so the land owner (if there was one)
avoided paying tax on that part of the land. If you look at the tithe
maps for your land (probably in your local archives) you might find them
very interesting.
I don't see the 'green lane' part as being relevant? Sorry to sound
pedantic but it's a pet hate of mine. A byway is a highway, often they
don't have a sealed surface, but they have the same status (actually
higher proven status in most cases because it's been tested in court) as
most county lanes we all drive, but the parish council sprayed tar on
some and not others. Most of these types of roads (byways and county UCR
roads) have a much longer history of public vehicular usage (as in
horse/ox & cart) than many (note: not all) of the main trunk roads which
are a much more modern invention usually starting as turnpike roads. A
rogue driver can access private land from a surfaced UCR as easily as
from an un-surfaced byway, would that make them rogue UCR drivers if
they did? :)
Best Regards,
Jon.
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]]
On Behalf Of Julian Voelcker
Sent: 08 November 2004 11:01
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Salisbury Plain
Hi Jon,
rouge
Don't worry, wasn't criticising all green laners - just used the term on
the basis that they were rouge drivers that were green laning but had
diverted from the lane for a bit of 'fun'.
others?
Of course not.
That's interesting - we have a byway going across the family farm, but I
don't recall us ever benefitting from it financially (we have been there
since '66).
I agree that the public's rights should be protected.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Hi Jon,
I find that surprising, I suspect any financial benefit would have been
negligible back in the sixties before the M4 opened up the area, one
unused byway across 300 acres is a far cry from a main road adjacent a
house nowadays.
ST 92660 81285 on Memory Map - look for Avil's Farm, Wiltshire.
Interesting, when did this stop?
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Hi, sorry to take so long to respond to your Salisbury Plain trip, but I've been on holiday in New Zealand for the last 3 weeks. Any Idea when it will be? Not too damaging I hope
Roy
 
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Hi Roy,
I need to finalise some things with Total Off Road for there features
day and then go from there.
At the moment looking at either a couple of weekends before easter or
possibly after.
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Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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hi alan my name is mark i am from frome in somerset im interested in the trip to salisbury plain
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan
To: European Landcruiser
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 8:15 PM
Subject: [ELCO] Salisbury Plain
Are any of you interested in another trip to Salisbury.
>
> I have only had 3 responses so far, which is disappointing
I shall be up for it with my winch monkey daughter, providing the dates are ok with work
Best regards
Alan


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Colorado Head

Hi All,
Sorry to harp on about this Colorado head problem i'm having, but assuming that it does need replaced should I also get any other works carried out at the same time.
As I mentioned before I had already ordered a belt and the full gasket kit with head bolts, I now know about the tensioner, any other suggestions?
In for a penny in for a pound.
Regards
Derek
 
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