Steering damper

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I received my new steering damper from Milner today.
It did not have any nuts or split pins to lock them - is this usual?
TIA
Jon
Grand Union Canal
92 HZJ80 ex UN surplus from Bosnia
 
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Hi Jon,
Some suspension components come with nuts and split pins, others with
nyloc nuts and some without.
Do you have a damper on already? You should be able to just swap them
over.
Call if you have problems.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Julian wrote...
Some suspension components come with nuts and split pins, others with
nyloc nuts and some without.
Do you have a damper on already? You should be able to just swap them
over.
SNIP
Please read again Julian. I was not bleating that I could not fit
the damned thing on - I think even I have enough nous to work that
out ! I was asking about Milner sending incomplete orders out. It
has happened before with Polybush kits short of support washers, and
once short of axle seals.
For the record: Yes I had a damper, removed it and have replaced it,
yes there are old nuts. But good engineering practice is not to use
locknuts twice especially on steering components. Hence Toy's use of
castellated nuts and pins. And yes, in my fifth year of ownership I
am still replacing fittings and fasteners that have been 'assembled'
by the butchers in the UN maintenance garage. The common spanner to
tighten things up usually being a hammer and chisel on the flats.
These usually require an angle grinder or drill to remove them. But
thankfully most have now been replaced. I have also been doing the
front driveshaft UJ's and found different sized nuts either end
(though right thread thankfully) which have not been helping shaft
balance and thus vibration. So too with some without a lock washer
under them. But I progress.
Cheers
Jon
Grand Union Canal
'92 HZJ80 ex UN surplus from Bosnia - going-in for gearbox layshaft
bearings on Tuesday.
 
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Niall,
I fitted a Milner damper and it performs with no problem; I think one
can get too technical about such a mundane item as a steering damper.
On the other hand I agree that shox are a different matter
altogether. I have Procomp 9000's fitted on all 4 corners and they
have stood the test of some very hard times in the mountains. But
remember that most replacement shox don't have the stone deflector
welded at their foot as do Toy OEM.
Cheers
Jon
Tring, Herts
'92 HZJ80 ex UN Bosnia surplus
 
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For general info. OME shocks have stone guards that you can bolt on.
Regards, Clive.
 
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Jon
Milner is *40
OME is *48
OEM is *90
So I rekon it boils down to budget and use. If you're trucking up &
down on the school run then anything would do. The round the world lads
will be going for the NASA spec!!
I'm running Procomp 9000's aswell. Had to order a complete new set of
bushings yesterday. The potholes on the bog roads are hard on them. But
the shocks themselves are holding up well.
There's a thought - I wonder what type of shocks NASA's Mars Rover is
using??!!
Cheeers
Niall
>>> [Email address removed] 13/03/2007 21:18 >>>
Niall,
I fitted a Milner damper and it performs with no problem; I think one
can get too technical about such a mundane item as a steering damper.
On the other hand I agree that shox are a different matter
altogether. I have Procomp 9000's fitted on all 4 corners and they
have stood the test of some very hard times in the mountains. But
remember that most replacement shox don't have the stone deflector
welded at their foot as do Toy OEM.
Cheers
Jon
Tring, Herts
'92 HZJ80 ex UN Bosnia surplus
 
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Hi all,
A bit off topic as it is about shock absorbers, not dampers, but I
mentioned a few days ago about my experience with Bilstein shocks and
which brand is worth chosing.
The Bilsteins I have were bought in France from a local distributor
called Eurofac in Chelles near Paris. It's a heavy duty gas shock with
an external reservoire (a.k.a "bonbon"). It's used mainly for desert
"raids" French style, i.e. eyes closed and pedal to the metal, on any
surface, in any location. So, I thought, at reasonable speeds on the
piste they would last even longer.
I fitted these shocks 11 months ago and all seemed fine until I
discovered that one front shock lost gas pressure. No problem, I
thought, just ring Bilstein UK and have it replaced under warranty.
Hell, no! I had to send it to France (p/p =A330). From France it went
to Germany to the factory for tech inspection. A replacement shock was
shipped from Germany also to the French seller, who charged me EUR30
for shipping it back to the UK. The whole business took over a month.
Tough luck, I thought. Then I went to Libya and on the second day of
driving on a relatively easy piste the new shock failed by spilling
oil though the shaft seal. It must have done 3k km from new.
On the way back I went to see Eurofac and showed them their product.
Their first reaction was "Ce ne pas possible!!!! Two shocks failing
one after another? Bilstein shocks just don't do that!!! You must have
damaged it deliberately. "
Following a lengthy argument they repaired the shock free of charge, but...
- My other three shocks are now past the warranty, so if any one fails
the charge for repairs will be EUR 175 + p/p. A new shock costs EUR
250.
And ..
- the Koni Heavy Track Raid shocks cost about the same, are just as
good or better in terms of technology and built quality and are
available locally from several UK dealers.
So no prizes for guessing whether I am going to buy Bilstein again.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
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Roman

Re blisteens

Dissapointing when you think you have the best on the machine & they let you down when you need them most.

Begs the question - if we'd be better off with the OEM ones..... possible better aftersales service anyway....

Niall
 
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Niall,
It's fair to assume that for applications more demanding than towing
on tarmac, shocks absorbers, tyres. filters, etc., are disposable
items. It's just disappointing when you spend extra money on something
that fails you in the middle of the job.
The more expensive models are made to be rebuildable (I just did not
appreciate how greedy these French guys were!). OEM shocks are cheap
to buy and make no pretence for being tough as nails and lasting
forever. If one breaks down, just throw it away and fit a new one.
I have driven several thousand km through Africa on Toyota shocks and
they survived, but I suppose I was pushing my luck a bit. Another LC
travelling with me did not make it on OEM shocks. and had to buy new
ones.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
On 3/14/07, Niall Sommers <[Email address removed]> wrote:
 
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Roman

You hit the nail on the head - they're a consummable.

When in Africa treat shocks like beer - and always keep a six pack in reserve!!;-)))
Keep truckin'

Niall
 
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Hi Guys
Shocks
What about ebay item no 4608103947 or if you have a little extra cash item no 4591271242 should last a while.
cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
 
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Niall wrote...
Milner is =A340
OME is =A348
OEM is =A390
So I rekon it boils down to budget and use. If you're trucking up = &
down on the school run then anything would do. The round the world =lads will be going for the NASA spec!!
SNIP
I haven't gone round the world yet - Roman is doing the recce and
making the maps for me in preparation ;o)
But I have proven the Milners to be Balkans tolerant. Bit tougher
motoring than the odd weekend in Wales or Salisbury Plain I think.
Cheers
Jon
Tring,Herts
'92 HZJ80 ex UN Bosnia surplus.
 
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