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Hey Roman or others .
Are the all terrain tyres any good or is the best thing to do to buy a new
set of rims and off road tyres.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
 
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Awh! John how long do u have?
I ran BFG AT and Big O XT and both All Terrains and happy with them
They are no good in mud.
Most MT's are good in mud some better than others and Simex and the likes
more specialised in such goop.
All depends on what ya wann do.
If u're gonna have a seperate set of ties that are just for offroad then run
MT's or up (e.g. Swampers and Bias plys that are more serious off-road
tires). If u want a combo i.e. onroad as well (e.g. 80%) then AT's if 60%
onroad then MT's
How longs a piece of string
PS we got 8" on snow yesterday and today nearly all melted away. Thats what
living at 5000ft and lotsa sunshine does :)
Lal in Colorado
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Subject: [ELCO] tyres
Hey Roman or others .
Are the all terrain tyres any good or is the best thing to do to buy a new
set of rims and off road tyres.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
 
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Hi Lal
What time is it there. I am constantly looking for things for the cruiser
but will not give up the cash before I am sadisfied . Sometimes it works and
some times it doesn't. I want the best of both worlds but if I can have that
at a discount I will. Correct me if im wrong, off road tyres will wear out
very quick on the tarmac and give less grip on the road, road tyres are crap
in the off road situation, The all terrain are a half and half but I need a
good road tyre to deal with all the rain and when I do go off roading I will
need a good tyre there too. I think I will have to go for a set of new rims.
If I do go off roading the meet place could be an hours drive or more away
and if I put the off road wheels and tyres on at the house I will wear them
out on the tarmac so I do not know what to do yet. O and by the way you
can't make me jelous just cause you have all the fun with the sun, real snow
and the abundance of off road places. No doesn't work at all , not bothering
me one bit.
John C
92HDj 80 1HDT Ireland
 
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Hi Guys
Are MTs only as good as ATs when they wear down a bit.
If that is the case is it better to keep MTs for off road use only or with
very little road use.
Are MTs made of a softer material than the ATs or road use tyres.
Would it also be the case that people really only try to seel the MTs when
they have worn down to a point that they are of no real use as MTs anymore.
Also would it be more adviseable to buy new than second hand for
reliability and safety concerns.
cheers
John
92HDJ 80 1HDt Rep of Ireland
 
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John,
The tyres are for different uses and so they suffer a bit when
used for something else. MT's are designed for mud, if you use them on
road you will not get the grip that you get with a road tyre, you will
also get a certain amount of noise. The noise varies with MT types. AT
tyres are a compromise between mud and road tyres. You don't get as
much noise and you get reasonable performance both on and off road.
For most people AT's are the best bet, unless you are going to go real
mud plugging often you don't need MT's. The AT's I have are not noisy
at all and they have done well so far. They have been in an amount of
mud, and more than mud, snow. If you are thinking of buying MT's for
occaisional use off road 2nd. hand will be OK as they will not get
serious on road use. The tyres that you have on most of the time
should be bought new unless you get a very good 2nd. hand set. Rubber
hardness varies within tyre types.
Regards, Clive.
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Hi Clive
Thanks for that info. And there was me thinking you know every thing about
auto electrics butit would seem its more than that.
I was thinking about MTs and again before I would do anything I look for
answers. God I am so impullsive NOT. I was just looking to find out if the
MTs make a big difference when off road or is most of it down to the driver
and such.
Some times I would see a set on ebay and go geese there not bad and there
not a bad price either. I know I wont use tham all the time but if I did use
thwm off road they would be better than the ATs would they not. Its just
another one of my ideas is all. It just seemed to me that when they wear
down the tread resembiles the tread of the ATs when new. Ah sure im
probablly talking crap again.
Will you be going to Salisbury.
cheers
John
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Hi Hywel
Geese this is a really great response from you all thanks a lot.
Yea see this is the problem I have, is that I have a set of 15 inch rims that are doing nothing in the shed and calling out to me every now and then.
I can buy a set of tyres in the Uk cheaper than here, now isn't that a shock to you all, that we get ripped of here for our tyres aswell as everything else.
Anyway because I have a choice I dont know whether to get another set of tyres for the 16 inch rims I have on the cruiser at the moment and leave them in the shed untill I need them when the ones on her wear out.
Or get a set for the 15 inch rims and have a set of Mts as well as the ATs on her at present.
I know its just too much stress so I think ill have another glass of wine and see if that makes the decision any better.
Cheers
John 92HDJ 80
 
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John,
Don't leave tyres hanging about in the shed. They have a limited
life when they are not used, or not used much. If you think your tyres
will wear out within 10 months or so then OK.
Regards, Clive.
 
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Hey Clive
You are now putting another veriable into the soup of decisions. Surly tyres
last longer than that, they must be in some dealers for a while and also if
you only cover 10,000 or less a year you could be running them for three
years or more. I know, now is the time I get the slap for being silly.
cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
 
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John,
When tyres are at a manufacturers warehouse they are stored in
carefully controlled conditions to prevent the effects of ageing. They
do not spend long at a distributers. If you are using tyres, even
every month or so, they are OK. Occaisional use, such as Caravaning,
requires that the tyres be changed every 3 or 4 years regardless of
wear. Rubber natural oils in that lubricate it but only if it is used.
The action of using a tyre squeezes the oil out and keeps the rubber
moist. Left to stand, or having little use, the rubber dries out and
cracks.
Regards, Clive.
 
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John,
Just to add some more into the mix.
I currently have Goodyear Wranger MTs on my 80 which are OK off road
but on road they are noisy and more prone to skidding in the wet.
On my last 80 I used to BF Goodrich All Terrains, which were great all
rounders and last for ages.
Given the choice and for the amount of off roading I do - a lot of
field and muddy track work every weekend during the winter, I would
happily go back to just the BFG ATs, they are great all rounders and I
would fee more comfortable with them around the local roads in wet
wintery conditions.
If I were to be doing more severe off roading I would opt for a second
set of rims equipped with some severe off road tyres like Extreme
Trekkers or the remould equivalents but I would swap them over just for
the off road trip - with decent jacks and air wrenches it is a lot less
effort - without these I don't know if I would bother.
The only times I ever have problems off road through normal use is
slippery wet grass or wet greasey stubble fields on hills, but get the
impression that there isn't much that can cope with those and I
generally have the option to go another route.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Hey Clive and Julian
Thanks for that info. Clive now I know why after time tyres have cracks even
if they stay pumped up but not used. That is very interesting when looking
at tyres etc on ebay cause they all tell you, part worn, not used for a
while etc etc. Now I am the wiser.
Julain I know the ATS are good and the Grabber ones I am using have the
same tread pattern as the BFG and I cant fault them at all.
But I just thought seeing as how I will have an empty cruiser going to
salisbury why not stock up on tyres after all they are cheaper in the UK.
Every other time I go to the UK or through the UK I am full with family and
rubbish/luggage.
So then along came the choice, get a set of what I have and keep them untill
the ones im using run near bald and hey presto I have a new set in my shed.
Option two get a set of MTs and put them on the other rims and then when I
go playing in the mud I have better traction.
But as usual nothing is that strraight forward for poor auld me.
It would seem I would have to rub some baby lotion on any of the tyres I do
decide to get to keep the rubber moist while not in use.
Ah the pain of the reality of life.
Maybe just Maybe, what if I was to get some of that tyre cleaner/police that
ione can pick up any where and spray that on the tyres would that surfice to
keep them good. Or maybe cover them in plastic bags. Or do they dry out from
the inside aswell Ah I dont know.
What is the result of them cracking, do they become dangerious, stiff, or
something else. How long does this process take to happen.
I know I could talk about the most stupid things and have a conversation.
cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
 
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Note that you can also consider putting on chains when in mud (they are not
just for snow) and these allow an AT tyre to function at or near MT
capability (in mud). Some pro's and con's but just something to consider.
The AT+chains will outwheel MT's when u're on icy conditions and chains have
'grippers' (sharp bits to dig into the ice). However sipped tyres may also
be good under those conditions but then we're getting in specific testing
etc.
PS I like my Simex whenever I can find mud. Been lots of snow in CO this
year so hoping 4 lots of meltdown !
Lal
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Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 4:01 AM
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] tyres
John,
Just to add some more into the mix.
I currently have Goodyear Wranger MTs on my 80 which are OK off road
but on road they are noisy and more prone to skidding in the wet.
On my last 80 I used to BF Goodrich All Terrains, which were great all
rounders and last for ages.
Given the choice and for the amount of off roading I do - a lot of
field and muddy track work every weekend during the winter, I would
happily go back to just the BFG ATs, they are great all rounders and I
would fee more comfortable with them around the local roads in wet
wintery conditions.
If I were to be doing more severe off roading I would opt for a second
set of rims equipped with some severe off road tyres like Extreme
Trekkers or the remould equivalents but I would swap them over just for
the off road trip - with decent jacks and air wrenches it is a lot less
effort - without these I don't know if I would bother.
The only times I ever have problems off road through normal use is
slippery wet grass or wet greasey stubble fields on hills, but get the
impression that there isn't much that can cope with those and I
generally have the option to go another route.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift

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Hi Guys
I know I have asked about tyres before but not this question.
Which is best for mud narrow or wide tyres. I know that the wide are good
for sand and snow but is mud different other than the colour of course.
cheers
john
92HDJ 80 1HDT Rep of Ireland
 
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My 2p worth...
I've used many vehicle and tyre combinations over the years, including 6
sets of tyres run at various pressures on a Jeep Wrangler over 18 months
for experimental purposes.
I invariably found a "square" profile tyre to be the best all-rounder,
i.e. not super skinny nor ridiculously "fat-boy" wide.
Skinny tyres always burrowed down too far and fat-boys, unless run at
super-low pressure (5 - 10 psi) simply floated too much and lost all
grip. However, if you can run at very low pressure then the fat-boys
worked very well on every type of terrain.
Pete
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Hey Peter
What would you call a fat boy tyre. when I am looking at Mts they are 12.5
wide so would this be a fat boy in your book.
john92HDJ 80 1HDT Rep of Ireland
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Hi John
Depends on the profile of the tyre, mine are 33" but I forget what the
actual tyre size is, I'll have a look / measure tomorrow and let you know.
IMO, if the tyre looks "square" (width similar to sidewall height) then
that's my choice, if it looked noticeably wider or taller than square
then it never worked well I found. I've not tried the same experiment on
the LC though.
I don't think you'll have a problem with 33 x 12.50's on a 2" lift, mine
will happily take 35" simexes (my play tyres) with only very slight
rubbing on the arches on full articulation, though I think they are 10.5
" wide albeit with huge lugs that stick out of the side..
Pete
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Hi Guys
Just another thought I had and sorry but I have to ask.
Recently somewhere there was talk about fitting an odd size spare to a
cruiser and all the complcations this would/ could cause..
So I was thinking if you got stuck somewhere and could not obtain new tyres
in the size already on the cruiser, would others do.
I know you cant fit a smaller diamater tyre as this would cause problems
with diffs /drive train etc etc.
But say you had 285s on the cruiser could you fit a narrower tyre or tyres
with out any problems.
If you had to fit two narrower tyres would they have to go on the same axle.
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
 
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John
I think there are three issues: wear in the various differentials
because of different rotation speeds, handling changes and insurance.
The consensus seems to be that with fully open diffs, as we have in
Europe (ie no viscous centre coupling) different tyre diameters are not
a problem for "get you home" type situations, ie a different sized spare
wheel is acceptable; but different rolling diameters will eventually
cause premature wear, so are a bad idea as a permanent solution.
Fitting different sized tyres on various wheels will also affect
handling: the steering and braking may be a bit different, and the
tendency to skid when on the limit may be different too. But again, as
a "get you home" solution they are clearly acceptable: look at all the
cars that now have skinny spare wheels - although they are usually only
rated for speeds up to 50mph.
But what about the legal aspect? I think you would be living dangerously
if you fitted odd-sized wheels and had an accident, as you might find
that your insurance company refused to cover you. Cars that have a
manufacturer supplied "mini" spare, with some sort of speed limit, are
one thing; but DIY changes that are bound to affect handling are
something else altogether.
Personally I intend to stick to the same sized wheels & tyres all round!
(including the spare)
Christopher Bell
|Hi Guys
|Just another thought I had and sorry but I have to ask.
|Recently somewhere there was talk about fitting an odd size spare to a
|cruiser and all the complcations this would/ could cause..
|So I was thinking if you got stuck somewhere and could not
|obtain new tyres
|in the size already on the cruiser, would others do.
|I know you cant fit a smaller diamater tyre as this would
|cause problems
|with diffs /drive train etc etc.
|But say you had 285s on the cruiser could you fit a narrower
|tyre or tyres
|with out any problems.
|If you had to fit two narrower tyres would they have to go on
|the same axle.
|john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
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Hi Christopher
AFAIK all 80s after xx 1993 and/or all the ones with ABS have a
viscous center differential.
Or am I wrong on this?
Regards
Joaquim
 
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