Veg oil / biodiesel as fuel

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Can I ask, does it actually work out any cheaper to use SVO or
biodiesel? I have no idea having never run a diesel vehicle (my LC is an
LPG converted petrol) before. But I am now looking for a diesel LC so
the information might be relevant to me now.
Pete
 
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Hi Peter,
I don't actually make the biodiesel myself, but buy it at 85p per litre
which is about 10p a litre cheaper than normal stuff.
It is cheaper to use SVO even if you are a good boy and tell the tax
man, although many people don't ;-)
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Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
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Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Thanks Julian
I don't know of anywhere locally that sells biodiesel so that's probably
a non-starter.
As for SVO without telling the Revenue Men, I don't think I would chance
my LC being seized and some huge fine levied!! Though I suppose one
could declare less than one actually uses, no way of checking really.
How much is bulk (say 25L drums) of suitable SVO? And theoretically what
is the duty payable?
Pete
Julian Voelcker wrote:
 
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On 4/11/06, Peter Browning <[Email address removed]> wrote:
Hello guys,
What exactly are you supposed to tell the IR guys about biodiesel?
What differrence does it make to your wallet if you do and if you don't?
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Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
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Hi Roman
My point was about standard (straight) vegetable oil ex-Tesco.
Biodiesel usually comes duty paid I believe.
Pete
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These are the previous and current rates of road fuel duty.
It appears that if biodiesel is being sold at circa ?0.85 / litre
someone is ripping off their customers as the duty rate is a little less
than half that for standard diesel.
No mention of the applicable duty on SVO though. I'm guessing it will be
the same as biodiesel?
ULSD 47.10 p per litre 48.35 p per litre
Sulphur Free Diesel 47.10 p per litre 48.35 p per litre
Biodiesel 27.10 p per litre 28.35 p perlitre
LPG 9 pence kg 10.81 per kg
Natural Gas 10.8 per kg 12.21 per kg
Rebated Gas Oil 6.44 per litre 7.69 per litre
 
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On further investigation it seems that the reduced duty rate for
biodiesel is only applicable until 2007/2008 tax year so after then it
will rise thus making biodiesel more expensive than regular diesel???
Pete
 
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Hi Roman,
Duty has to be paid on anything that you put into your tank, whether this
is done by the supplier as will forecourt fuel or the biodiesel that I
buy.
If you are buying veg oil from Tescos and putting it into your tank I
believe you would need to register with the tax people and then pay them
duty on the oil you put into your tank.
The rates of duty vary according to the type of fuel you are putting in as
Peter has pointed out.
I understand that if your tank is dipped or your exhaust is sniffed (the
modern way of testing) and you are using non standard fuel that no duty
has been paid for you could end up with the usual big fines and possiblity
of your vehicle being impounded.
My biodiesel supplier allways logs who buys what and also insists that we
take a receipt from him just on the off chance that we do get tested.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Hi Peter,
I believe that if you are making it yourself and getting the WVO for free
it would come out to around 55p per litre once you have paid the duty,
however it is difficult to source WVO for free in any quantities and also
once you start adding up the processing and labour costs as well as
premisis, advertising, etc, I think 85p per litre is a reasonable price.
Some suppliers actually charge more for Biodiesel than normal diesel due to
the gree factor - in the same way that people pay silly money for 'organic
free range' eggs.
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Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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But biodiesel (and SVO) is not particularly (or even slightly)
"eco-friendly".
The original crop that the oil is obtained from is usually farmed
intensively, with high inputs of fertilizer (ecologically costly to
produce) + the fuel and energy consumed by the planting / fertilizing /
weedkilling machinery during the growth cycle + the fuel and energy used
up in the harvesting & processing of the crop + storage and transport
energy etc. Then to produce the biodiesel from the new or waste veg oil
uses sodium or potassium hydroxide + methanol, all of which consumes
energy to produce. Then of course you have the problem of disposing of
the toxic wastes from the conversion process.
Then if bio-fuels are to be produced in any sort of quantity huge
acreages of farmland would have to be turned over to oilseed production,
so where do we then grow the food?
So marketing it as carbon-neutral, or green, or eco-friendly or whatever
buzz-term is very misleading.
It's a bit like saying electricity is a non-polluting form of energy -
it's not of course, it simply shifts the pollution elsewhere i.e. the
power stations.
Pete
Julian Voelcker wrote:
 
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On 4/11/06, Peter Browning <[Email address removed]> wrote:
Julian,
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Taxing tree-hugging freaks to subsidise robber oil barons! I like that!
Are you saying that the road legal steam powered tractors pay tax on water?
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
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Hi Peter,
I agree, you can have great fun arguing all these issues. Checkout my
suppliers site (http://www.goodfuels.co.uk/) for some of the arguements!
I'm going to keep to my Biodiesel because it gives others a nice warm glow!
I love the one that you get zero polution from all these fuel cell cars and
everybody forgets the all the coal/gas/uranium etc that is burnt up to
produce the electricity to charge the batteries or produce the hydrogen!
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Hi Roman,
No, because water isn't the fuel ;-), it's coal and I wouldn't be surprised
if Mr Brown has put a tax on that.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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