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6th Wheel - Dual Wheel carrier

Hey Niall
Ok kick me for being stupid but could you put the 6th one on the front bar
when you are in the bush or off road which is when you will feel the saggy
arse a lot and put a lot of pressure on those shocks and springs. or attach
it on the bonnet.
It might be cheaper to buy a bullet proof tyre made of Kevlar.
I would think the bonnet would need support but maybe it could be done and
the weight would be at the front like on the old LRs.
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
 
Niall
Please, get a roof rack. A spare and a tent on the roof is going to be fine.
Believe me, I've been there and done it - you won't regret it. How much you
put up there is up to you but it simplifies things. You won't want a wheel
inside the car - imagine what would happen if you had an accident, you
rolled or whatever. The wheel and tyre would end more than just the trip.
Kaymar just too heavy and I would rather spread the load of a tent and wheel
up top with a rack.
Trust me, believe me! And you can always sit on it as Julian wisely pointed
out! Great for pictures. I have a piece of marine ply specially cut with
tripod holes that I can bolt up there...!
Jeremy
On 26/11/07 19:47, "Niall __" <[Email address removed]> wrote:
Jeremy Llewellyn-Jones
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Hello Jeremy
Thanks for that - I know its based on hard earned experience.
Will be giving it some more thought. But if I get a rack then i'll be
putting an awning on it aswell as other bits. The racks themselves
also add to weight. Plus, putting the tent ontop of the tack increases
the centre of gravity by a little more.
As for the wheel in the back. If it does go in there then it will be
bolted to the floor.
I'll be making sure there's no Rhino's in the back of the vehicle.!!
Cheers
Niall
 
I'd avoid putting even more weight on the roof. Keep the centre of gravity
down. Wherever you stow your spare wheel(s) do ensure that they are well
secured. Spare wheels and tyres are valuable commodities in the third world.
Mind, it's bad enough in the UK !
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Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] 6th Wheel - Dual Wheel carrier
 
Go on... You know you want one...On my rack I had:
1 spare wheel
7x10 ltr jerrycans
2xsand ladders.
The jerries were only full when needed.
We slept in ground tent.
On the way back, I put the tent and some other stuff into a ground sheet and
ratchet strapped the package to the roof. We needed space inside the car for
wine after all... 10 cases of Rioja from Muga and Cune.
Jeremy
On 27/11/07 09:36, "Niall __" <[Email address removed]> wrote:
Jeremy Llewellyn-Jones
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Is it not possible to move the rear lights? Or add a set of lights in
the bumper.
That being said, I have had a roof rack on a Troopy and regularly loaded
it with 400 kilos or more and never had an issue.
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Hi Dave
Too much messing for my liking :)
Wouldn't fancy hitting the Dunes in Jeggaga, Morocco with that load!!
Cheers
Niall
 
On Nov 28, 2007 9:10 AM, Niall __ <[Email address removed]> wrote:
Niall,
The trick is to plan the route so that when fully loaded you are not
required to take unnecessary risks.
For example, for the Gilf'08 trip we are going to load 400L of fuel
and 160L of water to get across the Western Desert. We will approach
Jebel Uweinat from the eastern edge of the Great Sand Sea, where the
terrain is fairly flat, leaving the Gilf Kebir plateau and the central
dune cordon for the end of the trip. Doing it the other way round
could be a bit too much for the vehicles.
That's perhaps a bit extreme compared to your route which, as I
gather, will be done mostly on beaten paths, but with a well secured
roof rack the range of options for travelling in comfort is much
greater. Please remember that you will be using on a routine basis no
more than one third of the stuff packed for the trip (the rest being
there for occasional use or emergencies only).
Also, the roof rack is a great place to carry dry wood for camp fires.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80 (auto)
 
Hello Roman
That sounds mental. Presume you have to time it for cool weather - Jan or Feb?
Serious planning involved anyway! 400lts of fuel is more than most
houses burn over the winter!! My old fella would love to hear about
that trip.
Yep, the beaten path but I did roads in Australia in a nissan Urvan
that lads in TLC were afraid to go down. So if I meet a headder like
you headed to the back of beyonds I'll be joining the possie!!
They are great for that! Not so sure if the green party would endorse
burning timber on the African continent...
Keep it lit!
Niall
 
On Nov 28, 2007 2:29 PM, Niall __ <[Email address removed]> wrote:
Green what? Never heard of any out there. They only go there to shoot
some dramatic footage, then never come back. It's just to messy and
dirty for them.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80 (auto)
 
Hi Niall,
First of all, you will definetely need a second spare wheel.
TJM make very good ones at a reasonable price and you will be able to put
two on the rear bumper even at a size 235/85R16. They come with repeater
brake lights and indicators (not reverse lights) so you're safe on that
side. Additionally, they come with a nicely cut-out to put your high-lift
jack.
You can order directly from TJM in Australia and they can airfreight to
anywhere.
Cedric
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Subject: [ELCO] 6th Wheel - Dual Wheel carrier
Hello guys.
Looking for some advice re 6th wheel.
It's too big and alkward to put into the vehicle.
Will not have a roof rack.
LRFT takes up the space underneath the vehicle.
So if I want to take a sixth wheel, will have to fit a dual wheel carrier.
Kaymar seem to be the household name but with Hollywood prices. They
also seem to be quite heavy - never mind when loaded with 2 wheels!
Anyone out there got dual wheel carriers fitted? Would be interested
to know what make and where you sourced them from.
Thanks
Niall
The only other option
 
i've seen double wheel carriers on the back of 70's in ea - 750/16s on steel
splits - their weight plus the carrier must be huge. also do not forget to
factor in the stresses exerted by this rear weight when traversing
corrugations etc. if you have never driven in africa before then i cannot
think of anything that will prepare you for the experience and anguish of
submitting your vehicle to such brutal punishment as washboard corrugations!
i have a rear mounted spare and one underneath (only there coz i wanted to
keep the weight low/free up roofrack and save myself from potentially
bursting something lifting the spare back onto the rr) and, even with hd ome
shocks and springs, i really have to be aware of what i'm doing when fully
loaded. have you sorted out your suspension set up yet as this will be
crucial to what your carrying capacity.
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Hi Cedric
Hope all is well in Senegal
100% with you there
2 grand sterling fitted - way out of my budget. Am going to run with
one on the OEM pillar carrier and one on 2 bars on the roof.
Cheers
Niall
 
howdy Fred
with you there - too much weight and little gain
kind of - hd ome - but not fitted ot purchased yet. 2.5" lift max
weight capacity.
thanks
niall
 
On Nov 29, 2007 12:33 PM, Niall __ <[Email address removed]> wrote:
Niall,
After you fit the rear HD OME springs, please don' forget to report
here how much lift you REALLY have when loaded.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80 (auto)
 
Niall,
No problem as such, you get what you pay for. But they are not
particularly "heavy duty" when the back of the car is fully loaded.
Just avoid the "nose up" posture.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80 (auto)
On Nov 29, 2007 12:43 PM, Niall __ <[Email address removed]> wrote:
 
I have OME heavy duty in the rear and 'my rear drops' 1-1.5 inches when I'm fully loaded up going camping.
That includes a full roof rack as well but try and put all heavy stuff in back
Lal
Roman wrote:
 
Forgot 2 mention that I've got Air Spring (bags) ready 2 try out (from Roman's suggestions) and I'll see how that improves the ride and levelling. If it works I may go back to lighter rear springs and the heavy duty ones are uncomfortable when the rear is unloaded.
Lal
Brendan Lally wrote:
 
Lal
Re - Does my bum look big in these shocks :)
Would be very interested to see how you get on with the bags
Cheers
Niall
 
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