80 vs 90

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Hi,
I drove my first Colorado (90 series) today and was amazed. It is only
an inch or two smaller than my 80 externally yet it seems so much
smaller inside and felt so much more like a car to drive - I guess
that's down to the Independant Front Suspension and it also felt
perkier on the road.
I had it here to replace starter motor and had a bit of an Oh Shit!
moment. After having fought to remove the old one (less room to work
on compared to the 80), I was just doing up the bolts on the new one
when I noticed a little "12 volt" sticker on it - hang about the 90 had
dual batteries so I assumed it would be 24volt starting.
We after a lot of swearing and ringing up the supplier, the penny
finally dropped that it was like the Troopers, double batteries for
starting, but in parrallel for 12volt starting as opposed to the 80s
24volt starting.
Well you live and learn.
Gilly is definitely sold on getting one for herself so have started to
troll through Autotrader for a D4D engined bargain 90.
How's that for dedication - an LC only family! OK, yes I know there
are others out there on the list with 2+ LCs in the family, but not
that many ;-)
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Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Julian,
At our families Toyota height we had 2 80, 1 90, 1 70, and a surf.
Now only 1 80 and the 70 left.
Regards,
Clive Marks
Home: +44 1293 514600
Mobile: +44 7821 491897
Crawley, West Sussex, UK.
 
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Hi Clive
Its costly enough keeping one cruiser on the road what with road tax at
nearly 1400 euro never mind a few of them, but it would be nice all the
same.
A dream of kitting out an 80 for overland stuff, a 100 for road use amd a 60
or 40 for off road use.
But then its only a dream to be never realised.
john 92 HDJ 80 1HDT
 
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Never say never John, the Lottery may be yours one day.
TTFN
Chas
London UK '94 1HDT 80 Auto, 109000 miles, Safari snorkel, Custom Winch
bumper + winch, and Rear bumper with spare wheel carrier
+ Ray Dadd Rocksliders
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Hey Chas
Now now you know some of my bad luck and there is more believe me.
But dreams are there to keep you going and as you say one does not know what
tomorrow has in store for us all.
Although I would like a tomorrow where money was more available and I could
have a better choice ,so ill do the lotto again this week .
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
 
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Julian
Re> 80 vs 90
What kind of kerb weight difference is there between the 80 V 90?
As a family wagon - is there more safety features on the 90 - air bags
etc? - As a more modern design tyhe 90 may have better overall safety
rating than the 80......
Niall
 
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Hi Niall,
Not sure of the kerb weight, but here are basic dimensions of 80, 90,
100:
Kerb Weight Width Length
80 1930 4780
90 2060 1820 4755
100 2580 1940 4890
Undoubtedly. I think the 90 came in in '96, the 80s did have a revamp
in '95 with airbags and a few other extras on some models, but I'm
pretty sure that a 90 will be 'safer' all round.
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Julian Voelcker
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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What please is a surf?
2007/8/1, Clive Marks <[Email address removed]>:
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> Julian,
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> At our families Toyota height we had 2 80, 1 90, 1 70, and a surf.
> Now only 1 80 and the 70 left.
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> Regards,
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> Clive Marks
> Home: +44 1293 514600
> Mobile: +44 7821 491897
> Crawley, West Sussex, UK.
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Niall
My 1996 model has a driver's airbag. The non-airbag 80 has a 2 star
NCAP rating in Aussie-land, but I haven't seen any results for a bagged
one. The 100 series scores 4 stars.
However, in the real world, the NCAP rating is only part of the story.
See http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/article599936.ece
CB
| As a family wagon - is there more safety features on the 90 - air bags
| etc? - As a more modern design tyhe 90 may have better overall safety
| rating than the 80......
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Julian
I agree - should be safer all round.
Not so sure about some of the seatbelts some vehicles have for the 7th
or 8th seat in the back - can be just a waist belt in some cases - not
the shoulder and belt
Happy shopping
Niall
 
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Niall & Julian
My 80 has non-inertia lap belts for the centre seats of both rows 2 & 3.
In my view ideal if kids are still in child seats, since one can get a
really good fixing round the frame that is as good as or better than
using an inertia reel 3 point, and also they are in the centre of the
car (away from side intrusion). But, of course, not so good once they
are out of child seats.
I looked at putting a bar across the 80 to give the upper anchorage
point for a 3 point belt (something I did in my old VW camper), but I
found that as the children grew older we became less likely all to go
off en famille, and with "only" four children I could fit one in each
corner anyway.
In fact a lap-only belt isn't *too* bad so long as it is firmly round
the pelvis, rather than riding up round the stomach, and there is space
in front of the occupant. And for side-impact tests they often don't
bother about the seat belt at all since it makes almost no difference to
the results.
But I'd still prefer all lap+diagonal belts if they were available.
CB
| Julian
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| I agree - should be safer all round.
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| Not so sure about some of the seatbelts some vehicles have for the 7th
| or 8th seat in the back - can be just a waist belt in some cases -
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| the shoulder and belt
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| Happy shopping
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| Niall
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>The non-airbag 80 has a 2 star NCAP rating in Aussie-land,
All this talking about 100 safer then 90 safer than 80 is just some much
aire escaping in pants. No but crazy man run his car into stupide deformable
aluminium wall like stupide crash testes do. Then they try tell us Yaris is
safer then 80 because 80 has 2 stars and Yaris has 5. You guys want to run
into my in my 80 in some Yaris? Only crazy man. But crash on real roads is
usually that cars hitting each other not wall.
>DRIVERS of small and medium-sized cars are 50 times more likely to be
killed in collisions with another car than drivers of 4x4s or
people-carriers, according to the Department for Transport.
Yes that UK studies make some sense. The guys listen we must be real to each
other, we all study physics in college, what crazy man believe 1400kg Yaris
safer than 3000kg 80 in real world. Some times we suck to much butt cheeks
prapaganda from TV monkeys. France is worst for lying TV monkeys and
administrations.
Look Julien I edit now out stuff even although gmail does it for me too.
 
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Now you just have to use plain text instead of html and Julian might be
happy!
Malcolm Bagley
Stafford UK
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
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Look Julien I edit now out stuff even although gmail does it for me too.
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Hi Christopher,
As I mentioned the other day I'm changing the 80 for a 100 and will get a
90 for Gilly - as far as I know they have three point belts on all seats.
The only problem is the newer models have followed the trend of having the
belt 'sockets' indented into the seats so they aren't in the way when
people are sitting in the seats.
All well and good, but we have to wear the belts regardless so it is
pointless for that reason, also young children find it very difficult
doing the belts up themselves - and parents get bad tempered haviing to
constantly do it for their children ;-)
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Julian Voelcker
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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This is some thing deliberate on all new vehicles for side crash impacts,
old sticking up belt sockets make a damaged trauma place beside your butt
when side crash happened.
2007/8/3, Julian Voelcker <[Email address removed]>:
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> >The only problem is the newer models have followed the trend of having
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> belt 'sockets' indented into the seats so they aren't in the way when
> people are sitting in the seats.
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Well I am just look around gmail a bit but not to find that yet.
happy!
Oh stupide me just see it up over composure text window.
THere now the Julien is happy, non?
 
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Hello the guys, I hope I am not be a pest but nobody tell me yet "what
is a Toyota surf? I can tell you nobody at Toyota shop ever herd of
one yet.
2007/8/1, Clive Marks <[Email address removed]>:
 
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Hi Benoit,
A Surf is the same as a 4 Runner - I think in France you just call it a
Runner - it's not a Land Cruiser as such, more like a Hilux with a
boot.
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Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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AFAIK there is no 80 or 100 longer than 5000 mm, unless it has been
"tampered" with. They are around 4900 mm.
On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:09:20 +0200, Matthew Kelham
<[Email address removed]> wrote:
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HDJ100, Auto, AHC, 2001; ex HZJ80
 
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