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John,
I don't know where the fault might be. Disconnecting one section,
then another, eliminates guesswork.
--
Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
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On 8/20/06, John Byrne <[Email address removed]> wrote:
 
The funny thing is... and this is no doubt totally unrelated but anyway...
Many months ago my cruiser exhibited similar symptoms (mine is petrol / LPG
though)..
With no warning it started to refuse to idle... very lumpy and at very low
RPM (200), in fact without blipping the throttle it would die completely. It
was possible to drive but it was totally gutless i.e. pressing the
accelerator had no effect at all, none, as though the pedal wasn't connected
to anything. Once the kickdown limit was hit though it would take of like a
rocket but then die again as soon as I allowed the pedal to come off
kickdown position.
This went on for months during which it was perfectly fine on LPG.
I went through the whole fuel and ignition system:
New plugs (petrol remember)
Checked ignition timing
Replaced fuel filter
Took inspection cover off fuel tank and checked the fuel pump / gauze filter
and cleaned the gauze (scary working on an open petrol tank I can tell
you!!!)
Checked tank breather
Checked all fuel lines.
Spent a fortune on injector cleaner and put loads through the fuel system.
Nothing made any difference but it still ran OK on LPG.
Then about a month or two ago the problem disappeared for no reason.
Last week it came back again!!
I have no idea how my problem could be related to John's but it sounds so
similar that I just thought I'd recount it here.
It's probably of no possible help but there we are.
 
NO. only a red warning light
Lubomir Kolev wrote:
> Hi guys with HDJ80-24valves
> do we have 'that' green light?
> cheers
> Lubo
> On Aug 20, 2006, at 9:48 PM, John Byrne wrote:
>
>> The turbo green light is coming on as usual at about 2200 revs
>>
>
 
Hi John,
While it is idling, rough or otherwise, pump the living hell out of the
hand primer until it gets so hard you can't pump it anymore. Now tell me
is it running better. If the primer will not pump up hard with the
engine running it is either faulty (common) or you have a severe
restriction further back that will not let the primer prime properly.
still sounds like textbook description of fuel starvation or a injection
pump full of air.
Craig.
John Byrne wrote:
Snip
 
John,
Why do you think you have tested the fuel line from the pump?
Blowing does not test it.
Regards, Clive.
 
Hey Jon-C-w and Craig
Thanks, I did buy at Tesco but im not a bad person really.
But I did see the same brand deliver to Tesco as to other garages in the
area.
Its a well known brand so i reakon that Tesco just do as all the others do
and buy from a supplier who will give them a deal or something like a free
teddy bear every 100000000 litres or so.
I do think there is only a handfull of refineries for fuel and everyone buys
fron them and then puts their own lables on afterwards.
I did read this somewhere but like most info its just a memory now with no
hard facts to back it all up.
I dont worry about speed only if there is a camera about wanting to take a
picture of my cruiser cause they dont have one eh.
If the only draw back to speed is burning extra fuel well compared to the
other costs assosiated with the cruiser its cheap and fun. Unlike handing
the Toyota man a fist full of dollars.
Craig thanks
I did prime the pump while it was running and it did go hard (the pump) and
the running did seem to improve a bit.
One thought on this if I can be allowed and its this.
I use an additive all the time and when I blew through the feeder fuel pipe
dirt came out, like dirty dish water.
Now if the additive is suppossed to clean all the pipes etc and that is
what we want is it not why o why is there a dirt in the pipe.
Or is it a case of a situation like the oil additives that , you really dont
need them but they cost you a lot of money anyway.#
Just a thought and im sure I will be corrected with hard hitting facts but
still I have a glass od dirty diesel , not too dirty but still makes me
wonder.
I did not see this kind of dirt in the tank at all so would it be possible
that it was stuck to the pipe that should be clean.
I know it did not cause my present issue (i think anyway) but, but,. and
but.
cheers
john 92 HDJ 80 1HDT
Still grounded and soon to be corrected (blasted) for my blasfamy of the
fuel additive.
 
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Hey Peter
So there is more than one mystery to be solved, now with two cruisers
involved.
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
 
John,
I am sure that if you read the label on fuel additives that you
do not need to use them at every fill. The lubrication lasts for a
long time and every 2500 miles is probably OK
Regards, Clive.
 
Hi Clive
When I blew through the pipe, it felt as though there was no obstruction in
there cause the air went easly through and when the oppposite end was
blocked the pressure was such that i could not blow at all, much like trying
to blow up a balloon that is already inflated.
I know your going to come back to me and say BUT and im waiting cause its
just an idea and may not be mecanically accurate at all as usual.
cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
SNIP
Why do you think you have tested the fuel line from the pump?
Blowing does not test it.
Regards, Clive.
 
John,
Read my previous reply. Your pump is not blowing, it is sucking.
Now imagine if you suck on a weak pipe it will collapse. If you blow
in that same pipe it will appear OK.
Regards, Clive.
 
with regard to tesco fuel, in ireland it is supplied by a leading fuel
company, trading in ireland as Statoil. a friend of mine works for
statoil doing deliveries to filling stations and i was told its the same
diesel you get in tesco as what i buy in statoil with my fuel card.
dont know what the situation is in the uk, being a much bigger market
and with more competition.
brian
 
with regard to tesco fuel, in ireland it is supplied by a leading fuel
company, trading in ireland as Statoil. a friend of mine works for
statoil doing deliveries to filling stations and i was told its the same
diesel you get in tesco as what i buy in statoil with my fuel card.
dont know what the situation is in the uk, being a much bigger market
and with more competition.
brian
 
Hey Clive
It says on the Millers power plus Diesel additive lable to add prior to EACH
tank full so thats what I do.
Thats why im saying its another expence at ?7 I think for 500mls or
something like that.
cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
SNIP
I am sure that if you read the label on fuel additives that you
do not need to use them at every fill. The lubrication lasts for a
long time and every 2500 miles is probably OK
Regards, Clive.
 
Hey Brian
You are so right, thats the fuel tanker I saw and said well if thats the
Tesco Diesel why pay more else where. And we have such a nice new Tesco
filling station here too with no rusty tanks to worry about.
cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
SNIP
with regard to tesco fuel, in ireland it is supplied by a leading fuel
company, trading in ireland as Statoil. a friend of mine works for
statoil doing deliveries to filling stations and i was told its the same
diesel you get in tesco as what i buy in statoil with my fuel card.
dont know what the situation is in the uk, being a much bigger market
and with more competition.
 
Hey Clive
Now I understand Thanks, but Im not sucking any Diesel pipe no way no how
after all those years under the cruiser, god there could be alien life forms
in them there pipes.
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
John,
Read my previous reply. Your pump is not blowing, it is sucking.
Now imagine if you suck on a weak pipe it will collapse. If you blow
in that same pipe it will appear OK.
Regards, Clive.
 
Hi John
Yes.... but no-one can begin to give me advice because no-one else has a
petrol Cruiser! :-(
It's a very irritating problem for me though.
Pete
'95 FZJ 80
50mm OME suspension lift
33 or 34" tyres
LPG
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of John Byrne
Sent: 20 August 2006 23:10
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] breakdown
Hey Peter
So there is more than one mystery to be solved, now with two cruisers
involved.
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
 
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Hey Lio
Im guessing that your engine would not run at all ,am I right when it was
seized.
Mine will run and rev but wont idle and has a few hiccups aswell. So even
though it will drive it wont drive if you know what i mean.
I tried the last test that i can do (I think)which was to run the cruiser
from a jerry can of Diesel and it made no difference, still the same
symtoms.
I also checked the return feed and it works fine from the injector pump.
So I have given up ,the cruiser won the battle again.
I did get in touch with a Diesel specialist and he will look at it and can
recondition the injectors aswell while its there
Is it possible to drive the cruiser if I either use the hand trottle to
keep the revs up or adjust the idle screw in the engine bay.
I ask because the Diesel guy is 2 hours drive away and I dont want to have
to get it sent on a flatbed if I can manage to drive it.
Or am I asking for trouble either from a danger point of view or possibly
causing damage to something like the injector pump.
Just out of curiosity for the guys who can.
What would it cost me to have you replace my rings if you were willing.
Just I know a few of you can do this and im using oil so , well just a
thought really , so no harm you telling me to bugger off.
cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
 
Hey Gareth
Im grounded along with the cruiser, the bitch.
cheers
john
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gareth Jones" <[Email address removed]>
To: <[Email address removed]>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] re: breakdown
 
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