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Andy said:
Dear Prime Minister The RT. Hon. David Cameron, MP.

I wish to ask you a Question:- "Is This True?"

I refer to the Pension Reality Check.

Are you aware of the following ?

The British Government provides the following financial assistance:-


BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER
(bearing in mind they worked hard and paid their Income Tax and
National Insurance contributions to the British Government all their
working life)

Weekly allowance: £106.00?

IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN
(No Income Tax and National Insurance contribution whatsoever)

Weekly allowance: £250.00


BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER
Weekly Spouse Allowance:£25.00?


ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN
Weekly Spouse Allowance:£225.00


BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER
Additional Weekly Hardship Allowance: £0.00?

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN
Additional Weekly Hardship Allowance: £100.00


A British old age pensioner is no less hard up than an illegal
immigrant/refugee yet receives nothing

BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER
TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT£6,000?

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN
TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT:£29,900

Please read all and then forward to all your contacts so that we can
lobby for a decent state pension.

After all, the average pensioner has paid taxes and contributed to the
growth of this country for the last 40 to 60 years.
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Freedom of Information request
2049/2011
Received
14 July 2011
Published
23 September 2011
Information request
“I have today received the attached information...I would like to know if these
assertions are correct and if
so how they can be justified?
The British Government provides
the following financial assistance: -
•
BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER (bear
ing in mind they worked hard
and paid their Income Tax and National
Insurance contributions to the
British government all their wo
rking life) Weekly allowance:
£106.00
•
IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN
BRITAIN (No Income Tax and
National Insurance contribution w
hatsoever) Weekly allowance:
£250.00
•
BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER Weekly Spouse allowance:
£25.00
•
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LI
VING IN BRITAIN Weekly
Spouse allowance:
£225.00
•
BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER
Additional weekly hardship
allowance
£0.00
•
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN Additional
weekly hardship allowance
£100.00
A British old age pensioner is no less hard up than an illegal
immigrant/refugee yet receives nothing
•
BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT
£6,000
•
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES
LIVING IN BRITAIN TOTAL
YEARLY BENEFIT:
£29,900
“
DWP response
I should first clarify that illegal immigr
ants are by definition unable to claim or
qualify for any benefits whatsoever as
they are usually living in the UK
unknown to the relevant authorities.
There is no standard benefit that asylum seekers can re
ceive in the way
suggested by the information you have received. Since 3 April 2000, asylum
seekers who require assistance are
offered support by way of a cash
allowance for living expenses and in some cases, accommodation. This
scheme is administered by the Home Office’s Asylum Support Service. The
weekly asylum support ra
tes from April 2011 are
£36.62
for a single person
and
£72.52
for a couple over age 18.
The United Kingdom is a signatory to
the 1951 United Nations Convention
relating to the Status of Refugees.
As a consequence we must fully honour
our obligation to consider all applications
for asylum made in this country or at
our ports. In order to qualify for asylum
a person must be outside his or her
country of nationality and have a well f
ounded fear of being persecuted for
reasons of race, religion,
nationality, membership of
a particular social group
or political opinion.
In the event of an asylum seeker
being granted refugee status, they are
subject to the same rules of entitlem
ent to benefit, and ra
tes of benefit, as
United Kingdom citizens.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/221387/foi-2049-2011.pdf
 
I can't speak for the illegal immigrant/refugee payments but as a pensioner I get £540.92 per month which is £6491.09 per year which works out to £124.82 a week
 
The inclusion of "illegal" in the above text allowed them to avoid the question foreigners in Britain do get a lot more in Benefits even if they are working . Helen works cleaning with several different nationalities and i have lost count of how many times she has come home seething because being the kind hearted soul she is she will fill out the forms for her underlings which entitle them to earn more than she does .
 
I think its more a case of the figures suiting the Brexit camp without doing proper research...............again!

And the double whammy is that it's under a UN convention the payments are made to refugees and asylum seeker..............not the EU
 
MarkW said:
I think its more a case of the figures suiting the Brexit camp without doing proper research...............again!

And the double whammy is that it's under a UN convention the payments are made to refugees and asylum seeker..............not the EU
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Just so. And if we should leave the EU then we will still be members of the UN and NATO. So all this talk of Armageddon should we leave is patently nonsense.

Anyway all this alarmist fuss about immigration, security, breaking the pension guarantee recently put in place etc. etc. is really just short term noise.

For me the issue is Democracy or rather lack of it. The EU is not a democratic organisation. It is run by unelected 'people who know best' with little reference to the common herd. That is why they can get away with making little effort to tackle chronic youth unemployment figures within the EU.

Some current YOUTH unemployment figures for Europe

Greece 48%
Spain 45%
Italy 39%
France 24%
UK 14%
Germany 6%

I think those figures are tragic and a glaring indication that something is terribly wrong with the EU. No wonder there is so much resentment and an alarming swelling of support for the far right within Europe.

Within the UK I know a number of young people who are on 'zero hours' contracts. They hate them but it the only work they can get. I understand why companies (E.g. Tesco) put these contracts in place but I think they are a cruel and degrading way to treat people. With unemployment on this scale civil unrest is a real danger.

If we leave the EU we are may well, initially, end up with a rather rabid right wing government here in the UK; which would not be to my liking. However we (the people of the UK) will be able to use the ballot box to influence who governs us.

I fear the only way to influence the Commissioners of the EU would be to take up arms. Well if the lawmakers are totally insulated from the ballot box what other way is there to influence them? No wonder they are keen on forming a EU army.

That is why I voted out. (Postal vote)
 
ByronJ said:
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Some current YOUTH unemployment figures for Europe

Greece 48%
Spain 45%
Italy 39%
France 24%
UK 14%
Germany 6%

I think those figures are tragic and a glaring indication that something is terribly wrong with the EU.
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How do you go from a set a highly variable figures, all of which share a constant independent variable, EU membership, and derive from that that EU membership is the cause? I see a lot of confusion over causality and correlation but not usually this way round.
 
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Rob Cowell said:
How do you go from a set a highly variable figures, all of which share a constant independent variable, EU membership, and derive from that that EU membership is the cause? I see a lot of confusion over causality and correlation but not usually this way round.
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I think the confusion is yours. I said "I think those figures are tragic and a glaring indication that something is terribly wrong with the EU". Perhaps you think that such dire unemployment figures are an indication that the EU is doing a great job?
 
ByronJ said:
I think the confusion is yours. I said "I think those figures are tragic and a glaring indication that something is terribly wrong with the EU". Perhaps you think that such dire unemployment figures are an indication that the EU is doing a great job?
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I don't think the figures indicate anything about the job the EU is doing. If it helps I can produce a p-value based on the figures to show with a high degree of certainty that EU membership is not a direct influence on youth unemployment in the countries shown, but really those figures are so clear it's a bit of a waste of time.

EU membership might influence other factors that do influence youth unemployment but we'd need to do some multiple regression analysis to find the mosts significant influences and then see how they correlated to EU membership. The figures here do not show that.


Edit : I can't produce a p-value for those figures. There is zero probability the hypothesis EU membership affects youth unemployment is true, but that effectively gives me divide by zero errors. There must be a proper term for this, I just don't know what it is.
 
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Not having a pop at anyone here, other than pretty much anyone quoting stats about what leaving or staying will do.

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I can understand that one, some of the previous posts using some very long words addled my poor old brain. confused-8.gif
 
I don't and ironically i have been locked out of it as well now ?

To summarize - even if the referendum were to result in a landslide victory for Brexit the gov is not in any way legally bound to remove us from the union .
 
I heard something similar Shayne, along the lines of, there's more Remain MPs in the House than Leave, and if the Leave won, the Remain side would ignore it (out of spite/malice??) and out vote the Leave side and keep us IN.
How true that is I don't know, but wouldn't surprise me

Think there might be a few ructions if it happened though
 
That article was more than hearsay Brian the guys a lawyer who writes for the Financial Times .

Unfortunately i read through it this morning and didn't think to read it again before i posted this evening and because i accepted every point raised so easily my memory of what was wrote is vague .

Simply put the referendum from a legal point of view is nothing more than an opinion poll which could possibly lead to - a referendum

EU democracy letting the dog chase its tail until it gets bored and gives up .
 
Found this on Facebook:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...off-ftse-100-in-shares-meltdown-a3271356.html

More than £20 billion was wiped off the FTSE 100 this morning as investors took fright that Britain may be hurtling towards the EU exit door.
The FTSE 100 crashed below the 6000 mark for the first time since February and was down nearly 80 points at 5968 shortly before 11am. Markets also fell further in France, Germany and Asia after three new polls put the Leave campaign ahead.
The sharp drop in London means that the FTSE 100 has lost more than £80 billion in four days.
The pound also fell sharply and — in an extraordinary development — investors were so desperate for a safe haven for their money that 10-year bonds in Germany turned negative for the first time ever. The negative yield means that people are in effect paying to lend money to the German government for a full decade.
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To be honest I was expecting the Pound to weaken around now, so no real surprise there.
 
Shayne said:
That article was more than hearsay Brian the guys a lawyer who writes for the Financial Times .

Unfortunately i read through it this morning and didn't think to read it again before i posted this evening and because i accepted every point raised so easily my memory of what was wrote is vague .

Simply put the referendum from a legal point of view is nothing more than an opinion poll which could possibly lead to - a referendum

EU democracy letting the dog chase its tail until it gets bored and gives up .
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This is because the UK is governed under a concept of parliamentary sovereignty. This has precisely nothing whatsoever to do with the EU. Parliament overrides any other institution including the EU. We don't have to adopt legislation they produce for example. But it gets awkward if we don't. Same goes for referendums.
 
I think i mentioned on here 2 or 3 weeks ago that our daughter wasn't registered to vote but they found her to make sure she does .

She got a letter today telling her she may vote from from the 1st of July :wtf:
 
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Shayne said:
I think i mentioned on here 2 or 3 weeks ago that our daughter wasn't registered to vote but they found her to make sure she does .

She got a letter today telling her she may vote from from the 1st of July :wtf:
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id she register online by the deadline Shayne?
 
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