eu in or out poll

[ByronJ]

I suspect we will soon be hearing a lot of pro Europe talk from Boris et al and there will be no rush invoke article 50. The theme being "the problem is with the EU rather than Europe".

The UK voting to leave is a shocking shot across the bows of the EU and a possible catalyst for real reform of the union. My hope is that the EU now moves to becoming a club of closely integrated but independent trading partners rather than its current aim of becoming a single political entity.

I would not be surprised to see a second referendum within two years asking if we now wish to remain with a 'reformed' EU. Perhaps even a two tier EU? Who knows though.

Interesting times indeed!

 

[StarCruiser]

It looks like they (Gove et al) plan to repeal some laws that allow EU government and enact some new ones that allow us to deport criminals and depart from EU control via the fire exit rather than push the button on article 50 and take the EU's long corridor to a locked door.

Looks like there is a cunning plan…

 

[Pumpy]

The problem with the whole 'collective conversation' is we're being misled, the conversation is controlled by the media/politics to avoid the real economic issues.

Here's the short story...

here's how we got here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQuHSQXxsjM
The only way out for the banksers (retaining control and without being srtung up from the nearest lamp post) is a complete system reset (crash), the only way to do that is blame it on something else (Brexit/EU breakup/WW3) and steer the now scared to death populations into their new controlled alternative system, which has already been set up in waiting.
The irony is, when they open the curtains on their new global financial control system, everyone will hail it as a saviour, people will demand it.

We're so screwed.

 

[StarCruiser]

Well, that is one possible outcome. A very real possible outcome. But it all depends on the mettle of the group that steer us out.

 

[chapel gate]

Cultural marxism isn't the only subversive shite going on Chas, ever wonder why immigants seem to cluster in certain areas? If it were natural migration it'd be an even spread in every commuity. When I was growing up in the 70's there were zero immigrants in my infant school, we had one or two in each class in the large secondry school I went to 10 miles from my home address, but the school a mile away from my home was the other way round, only one or two UK born kids in each class. This doesn't happen naturally, divide and conquer.

Don't ever get me going round a campfire with beer involved, I'll never shut up

Correct. The soviets used to do the same. Dump 30000 russians into a small town in kazakhstan.

 

[flint]

On the immigration point, don't forget that after WW2 people were asked to come to the UK, initially recruited to do the jobs that the indigenous population either didn't want to do or were more expensive to employ. They tended to congregate in areas both where the work was, where property was cheap to rent or buy and where they felt safer from the discrimination that was rife at the time. The employers had no other interest than profit, no thoughts of the consequences. Not much has changed, we like cheap food etc. we still need cheap labour to compete and if it doesn't come from the EU, it will come from elsewhere. EU immigrants are net contributors to the economy (they pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits), it's the politicians that don't invest this extra money in the public services that are the problem, instead choosing to prop up a financial sector that will quite possibly jump ship if the going gets tough.

 

[Pumpy]

On the immigration point, don't forget that after WW2 people were asked to come to the UK, initially recruited to do the jobs that the indigenous population either didn't want to do or were more expensive to employ. They tended to congregate in areas both where the work was, where property was cheap to rent or buy and where they felt safer from the discrimination that was rife at the time. The employers had no other interest than profit, no thoughts of the consequences. Not much has changed, we like cheap food etc. we still need cheap labour to compete and if it doesn't come from the EU, it will come from elsewhere. EU immigrants are net contributors to the economy (they pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits), it's the politicians that don't invest this extra money in the public services that are the problem, instead choosing to prop up a financial sector that will quite possibly jump ship if the going gets tough.

Well that's the story they used, after ww2 didn't all the ex military people being demobbed need jobs as we switched away from a war economy? Logic suggests there would be a surplus of workers after so many were employed warring.

 

[Paddler Ed]

One of the problems is peoples perceptions being influenced by the media at a national level as to the ground reality; this article from the Grauniad hits it on the head:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...s-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale

Having worked in Lancashire there was that very large population that came in from various bits of the newly independent bits of India who came in for work, and it was hard to tell who the new (first generation) people were and who weren't.

I also grew up in Berkshire where we had a couple of families that were plainly Czech/Polish background who had come through I suspect from the 2nd World War.

Last ramble from me; I wonder if I would have had a different time if my grandparents had been the other way round: My grandmother is German, grandfather British (albeit grew up in India...)

 

[chapel gate]

It looks like they (Gove et al) plan to repeal some laws that allow EU government and enact some new ones that allow us to deport criminals and depart from EU control via the fire exit rather than push the button on article 50 and take the EU's long corridor to a locked door.

Looks like there is a cunning plan…

As soon as they said there is no rush to pull the trigger on article 50, and now is the time to let the dust settle and reflect. I thought the same sc. We have had a bloodless revolution.

 

[Rob Cowell]

Well that's the story they used, after ww2 didn't all the ex military people being demobbed need jobs as we switched away from a war economy? Logic suggests there would be a surplus of workers after so many were employed warring.

I always thought millions of working age people might have died in the war leaving a labour shortfall. Shows how out of whack my perception of logic is.

 

[Rob Cowell]

As soon as they said there is no rush to pull the trigger on article 50, and now is the time to let the dust settle and reflect. I thought the same sc. We have had a bloodless revolution.

Well, mostly bloodless.

 

[flint]

Well that's the story they used, after ww2 didn't all the ex military people being demobbed need jobs as we switched away from a war economy? Logic suggests there would be a surplus of workers after so many were employed warring.

Ex servicemen wanted decent jobs and change, they'd done their bit and wanted more than a pre war Britain had to offer. A lot of men and women had also died, including many from the empire who seldom get the recognition that they deserve. Soon after the war ended, a Labour government was elected, the NHS was born and the benefits system overhauled. The economy was geared up for exports to repay the enormous costs of war (the debt to the US only recently cleared), and cheap labour was needed to fuel this.

 

[goodoldboy]

Immigration: Most folks arn't really against immigration, they just use that label. Immigration is generally good for the economy, if folks were politically educated rather than politically brainwashed, they'd recognise they're just useing it as a label.

What they're really against, what really winds them up, is how they're made to feel by a subversive element that's wound it's way into our current political and cultural power structure over the last few decades, they can't put their finger on it, the media calls it immigration, the BBC promotes the inaccurate labeling (because it's been infiltrated it's self) it's an awkward feeling they can't accurately describe because they're getting mixed messages by the media and cultural leaders.

It is cultural marxism, they just don't understand what cultural marxism is.

culturalMarxism is new to me & so is metapedia discribed in Wikipedia as "far right" "neo Nazi" &"white supremacist" apart from the holocaust denial .do you subscribe to these views Pumpy? as for immigrant culsteting in the same area why do you think that is? maybe so.etching to do with the cheap , shifty housing?

 

[goodoldboy]

culturalMarxism is new to me & so is metapedia discribed in Wikipedia as "far right" "neo Nazi" &"white supremacist" apart from the holocaust denial .do you subscribe to these views Pumpy? as for immigrant culsteting in the same area why do you think that is? maybe so.etching to do with the cheap , shifty housing?

 

[Chas]

Don't ever get me going round a campfire with beer involved, I'll never shut up

We'll have a couple together and put the world to rights.

 

[Pumpy]

culturalMarxism is new to me & so is metapedia discribed in Wikipedia as "far right" "neo Nazi" &"white supremacist" apart from the holocaust denial .do you subscribe to these views Pumpy? as for immigrant culsteting in the same area why do you think that is? maybe so.etching to do with the cheap , shifty housing?

Subscribe to which view? I was just explaining what cultural marxism is, that was what came up on google rather than me waffle on about a definition. FTR I think it's subversive shite we could all do without, I think we'd all get along much better without it.
Even tho I was brought up by a lefty dad, and a liberal mum, I consider myself apolitical, I'm not really against anyone except the banksters. I think the various wings of politics are control mechanisms (controlled by banksters) to keep populations divided, if voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.

 

[Pumpy]

I always thought millions of working age people might have died in the war leaving a labour shortfall. Shows how out of whack my perception of logic is.

Difficult to say without reading a bunch of old books, history is distorted in many respects, wikipedia says there was a total 450,900 or 0.94% UK deaths as a result of ww2, including colonies, civi deaths, famine etc.

 

[Shayne]

While pondering the driving force behind Adolf's insistence article 50 must be invoked quickly it crossed my mind that on the night of voting shortly after the vote swung in favour of Brexit (ITV about 2am long before the odds swung) it was reported on screen that two German car manufacturers will continue to deal with Britain regardless of the votes outcome .

I can find no reference to this on the interweb ?

Makes me wonder how individual nations who want to continue trade with an independent Britain will react when forbidden .

 

[Rob Cowell]

It is cultural marxism, they just don't understand what cultural marxism is.

This is also a new one on me. So is the cultural marxism theory a belief in a left-wing elite who seek to destroy Western civilisation through multiculturalism such that they can re-engineer that civilisation along Marxist ideologies?

 

[MarkW]

While pondering the driving force behind Adolf's insistence article 50 must be invoked quickly it crossed my mind that on the night of voting shortly after the vote swung in favour of Brexit (ITV about 2am long before the odds swung) it was reported on screen that two German car manufacturers will continue to deal with Britain regardless of the votes outcome .


I can find no reference to this on the interweb ?


Makes me wonder how individual nations who want to continue trade with an independent Britain will react when forbidden .

Why would they be forbidden to trade with the UK?

As long as there is a demand for the products foreign companies will still supply. Just don't expect them to produce UK specific models, we will still get EU compliant BMWs etc long after we clear the EU restrictions because it won't be economic for them to produce separate models