Fuel injectors

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Elco guys
So, if I were to consider looking at stuff like fuel injectors, fuel
pump etc, before I leg it back over to Libya later this year how much
could I be expect to pay for things like recalibration and these kinds
of things? Any offerings as to costs to be incurred?
Regards
Renate
 
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Renate,
A quote I received,
Cost to recalibrate pump is =A3100.
Cost to overhaul your injectors is =A380 each, using original parts not cheap
copies.
Anthony
 
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:12:00 -0000, Anthony Graham
<[Email address removed]> wrote:
heap
Renate
As for the pump - if it doesn't leak, act funny, burn lots of fuel,
I'd leave it as it is. It's a robust piece of kit. If, on the other
hand it happens to get into the hands of a diesel expert who can't
tell the difference between a Denso and Bosh pump, you'll be in
trouble. Ask me how I know.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
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Anthony
Thanks for this - I'll bear it in mind - injectors I don't think I could ever do myself - where was this quote obtained from? Are they in West Wales?
So this is =A3100 plus =A3320, =A3420 not bad I guess. Something to pencil in to my schedule for pre-prep for Libya later this year, methinks
Regards
Renate
Anthony wrote:
Renate,
A quote I received,
Cost to recalibrate pump is =A3100.
Cost to overhaul your injectors is =A380 each, using original parts not cheap
copies.
Anthony
 
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Roman
good point! the pump doesn't (to my knowledge) do any of this, and I
think the philosophy/motto of "if it aint broke, don't fix it!" runs
true here.
As a matter of interest only, would there be any indication of whether
it was leaking or not? apart from an obvious "shit! I only filled it
with 100 ltrs last week and its all gone!" kinda scenarion.
Its just that I like to be forearmed/forewarned in case something like
this did happen, and then I could at least be prepared a little bit
(well, you know me....)
Okay, I'll ask you how you know "how you know"?!!
Well, its good stuff (all the other stuff you say is good too), and its
a NEED to know for some distant event horizon (probably in the Libyan
Desert...) at some zero point where all dimensions and realities combine
at the exact same point in time...
Regards
Renate
Roman wrote:
Renate
As for the pump - if it doesn't leak, act funny, burn lots of fuel,
I'd leave it as it is. It's a robust piece of kit. If, on the other
hand it happens to get into the hands of a diesel expert who can't
tell the difference between a Denso and Bosh pump, you'll be in
trouble. Ask me how I know.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:33:37 +0000, Renate Haupt
<[Email address removed]> wrote:
Renate,
The usual wet patches and drips, e.g near the shaft operated by the
accelerator cable.
After I had the pump checked/recalibrated, timing was way off the mark
and for the engine to run the pump had to be turned all the way
towards the engine block. After some time it started giving me
problems with cold starts and eventually the engine refused to start
altogether.
I sent the pump back to the "specialist" and he said there was nothing
wrong with it. Then I happened to remember what Maarten Verschure once
said that the difference between Denso and Bosch is that the drive
shaft in the latter is offset by a few degrees. We checked the pump
and presto! The driveshaft (and several other important bits) were
picked from the Bosch parts bin because the "specialist" could not be
bothered to order Denso parts.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
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Roman
ooh ergh! better watch out for that then! (not the wet patches, the
other comments...)
Being a novice - just how close is the driveshaft & accell cable to the
fuel pump? I mean, I know how far they are apart physically, but I'm
thinking this is crucial info. right? (I guess I ought to find out about
these things before they go pear-shaped...).
The other question (related to damage) - could rough or shoddy
workmanship affect either/or?
Renate
Roman wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:33:37 +0000, Renate Haupt
<[Email address removed]> wrote:
Renate,
whether
The usual wet patches and drips, e.g near the shaft operated by the
accelerator cable.
After I had the pump checked/recalibrated, timing was way off the mark
and for the engine to run the pump had to be turned all the way
towards the engine block. After some time it started giving me
problems with cold starts and eventually the engine refused to start
altogether.
I sent the pump back to the "specialist" and he said there was nothing
wrong with it. Then I happened to remember what Maarten Verschure once
said that the difference between Denso and Bosch is that the drive
shaft in the latter is offset by a few degrees. We checked the pump
and presto! The driveshaft (and several other important bits) were
picked from the Bosch parts bin because the "specialist" could not be
bothered to order Denso parts.
 
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:43:55 +0000, Renate Haupt
<[Email address removed]> wrote:
Being a novice ? Renate, not you! You are an old, manicured hand!
The driveshaft I mentioned is in the injection pump (not the one in
the axle). It appears that in youre case, like with many other things,
there's no need to worry.
Poor workmanship is always an issue but in my case it was an evident
example of poor judgement.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
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Renate,
I saw them on the internet I can not remember the web site play around with
the address may get it I think that I recall it being in Lancashire.
[Email address removed]
A bit naughty but this is the reply I received.
Hello Sir,
I do indeed recalibrate pumps & injectors, infact this is the mainstay of my
work as it always was & will be.
19mpg is average for the Landcruiser, especially automatic versions.
Your mileage suggests you are ready for your injectors reconditioning so
this should be the first job.
The pumps are set rather lean & over the years I have developed a unique
calibration method for this, & many others, pump to give increased power
without harming economy & infact economy usually improves.
I have seen some sites/info regarding altering the pump but to be honest
more problems can be created & some of the important settings cannot be
accessed with pump on engine, I recalibrate properly on the test bench.
Cost to recalibrate pump is =A3100.
Cost to overhaul your injectors is =A380 each, using original parts not cheap
copies.
Bob.
Anthony Graham
1994HDJ80 1HD-T
West Wales
UK
 
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Anthony
this is fine - nothing like selling yourself...actually I will say that I get 22 - 25 mpg @ 40-45 mph still, so I'm still happy with this, although with the beast being that little bit older than most of the other's on this list I will at some point have these things looked at. Methinks I don't need to at the moment, but it is worth bearing in mind.
Regards
Renate
Renate,
I saw them on the internet I can not remember the web site play around with
the address may get it I think that I recall it being in Lancashire.
[Email address removed]
A bit naughty but this is the reply I received.
Hello Sir,
I do indeed recalibrate pumps & injectors, infact this is the mainstay of my
work as it always was & will be.
19mpg is average for the Landcruiser, especially automatic versions.
Your mileage suggests you are ready for your injectors reconditioning so
this should be the first job.
The pumps are set rather lean & over the years I have developed a unique
calibration method for this, & many others, pump to give increased power
without harming economy & infact economy usually improves.
I have seen some sites/info regarding altering the pump but to be honest
more problems can be created & some of the important settings cannot be
accessed with pump on engine, I recalibrate properly on the test bench.
Cost to recalibrate pump is =A3100.
Cost to overhaul your injectors is =A380 each, using original parts not cheap
copies.
Bob.
Anthony Graham
1994HDJ80 1HD-T
West Wales
UK
 
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Renate,
Driving at 40 - 50 seems a little fast for you, I have seen you do not
forget but I think at those speed I would be hoping for a lot more than 22 -
25 mpg
[Anthony Graham 1994 HDJ80 1HD - T]
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...actually I will say that I get 22 - 25 mpg @ 40-45 mph still, so I'm
still happy with this, Regards
Renate
Renate,
I saw them on the internet I can not remember the web site play around with
the address may get it I think that I recall it being in Lancashire.
[Email address removed]
A bit naughty but this is the reply I received.
Hello Sir,
I do indeed recalibrate pumps & injectors, infact this is the mainstay of my
work as it always was & will be.
19mpg is average for the Landcruiser, especially automatic versions.
Your mileage suggests you are ready for your injectors reconditioning so
this should be the first job.
The pumps are set rather lean & over the years I have developed a unique
calibration method for this, & many others, pump to give increased power
without harming economy & infact economy usually improves.
I have seen some sites/info regarding altering the pump but to be honest
more problems can be created & some of the important settings cannot be
accessed with pump on engine, I recalibrate properly on the test bench.
Cost to recalibrate pump is =A3100.
Cost to overhaul your injectors is =A380 each, using original parts not cheap
copies.
Bob.
Anthony Graham
1994HDJ80 1HD-T
West Wales
UK
 
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Either way, I'm off to Edniburgh tomorrow and driving all the way - I only do 40 - 50 when I don't know the road, the rest of the time well, I'm up with the best of them!
I err on the side of caution and I might even say that I get 22-25 mpg at 70! - I'll test that theory out tomorrow!!
Regards
Renate
>>> [Email address removed] 03/23/05 04:20pm >>>
Renate,
Driving at 40 - 50 seems a little fast for you, I have seen you do not
forget but I think at those speed I would be hoping for a lot more than 22 -
25 mpg
[Anthony Graham 1994 HDJ80 1HD - T]
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...actually I will say that I get 22 - 25 mpg @ 40-45 mph still, so I'm
still happy with this, Regards
Renate
>>> [Email address removed] 03/23/05 03:25pm >>>
Renate,
I saw them on the internet I can not remember the web site play around with
the address may get it I think that I recall it being in Lancashire.
[Email address removed]
A bit naughty but this is the reply I received.
Hello Sir,
I do indeed recalibrate pumps & injectors, infact this is the mainstay of my
work as it always was & will be.
19mpg is average for the Landcruiser, especially automatic versions.
Your mileage suggests you are ready for your injectors reconditioning so
this should be the first job.
The pumps are set rather lean & over the years I have developed a unique
calibration method for this, & many others, pump to give increased power
without harming economy & infact economy usually improves.
I have seen some sites/info regarding altering the pump but to be honest
more problems can be created & some of the important settings cannot be
accessed with pump on engine, I recalibrate properly on the test bench.
Cost to recalibrate pump is =A3100.
Cost to overhaul your injectors is =A380 each, using original parts not cheap
copies.
Bob.
Anthony Graham
1994HDJ80 1HD-T
West Wales
UK
 
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I get 25 mpg at 60 - 70 mph on the motorway.
Maybe 22 mpg average in summer, 20 mpg or less in winter as it seems
like a hosepipe on when cold.
Ian.
Anthony Graham wrote:
 
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Hi Anthony,
That is extreme - I have been quoted by a firm in Swindon ?11 to service, and
then ?22 per injector if they need to replace the nozzle.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Hi Anthony,
That is extreme - I have been quoted by a firm in Swindon ?11 to service, and
then ?22 per injector if they need to replace the nozzle.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Julian,
You may well be correct about that it was a quote I received a few months
ago and I thought it a bit steep for the injectors an cheep for the pump.
Are you know saying that the =A3100+ I paid for 6 new injector nozzles was not
really a good buy, especially since they will still need to be fitted?
Anthony
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From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Julian Voelcker
Sent: 24 March 2005 09:00
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Fuel injectors
Hi Anthony,
not
cheap
That is extreme - I have been quoted by a firm in Swindon =A311 to service,
and
then =A322 per injector if they need to replace the nozzle.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Hi Anthony,
Sorry, I guess so. I spoke to the company a few days after you bought the
injectors and that is the figure that they came up with - so it would be ?132
+ VAT to get them serviced and new nozzles fitted.
OK, you may have lost out a little bit - you may well be able to get the
nozzles fitted and setup for the ?11 fee because they wouldn't have to do any
cleaning, etc.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Hi Anthony,
Sorry, I guess so. I spoke to the company a few days after you bought the
injectors and that is the figure that they came up with - so it would be ?132
+ VAT to get them serviced and new nozzles fitted.
OK, you may have lost out a little bit - you may well be able to get the
nozzles fitted and setup for the ?11 fee because they wouldn't have to do any
cleaning, etc.
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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