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Way over here in Canada, I have been reading all the messages, and feel like I am getting to know all your different personalities. I have found my one Landcruiser, but still need a second one to start my guiding business in Ethiopia.
I haven't got all the technical knowledge of you folks, but have been instructed by hubby that the HZJ 80 or 81 is the only car that will work.
So with the belief that it is not WHAT I know, but WHO I know, I would ask, with Julian's permission, if I can put out an APB for the following:
HZJ80 or 81. Years 1992 - 1998. Manual. Diesel. Non Turbo engine. Left hand drive. (I KNOW, I Know...you don't have many of them over there, but maybe you have friends in other countries...?)
Have a good picnic this weekend !
Maureen Demissie
African Queen Adventure Tours
Calgary/Alberta/Addis Ababa/Ethiopia
 
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Dear Mageru Demissie
Re the guiding - I offer guided tours in Algeria and Libya and the first
lesson I learnt - work with the locals - if not they will resent you and
treat you and your vehicle badly - I say this because a colleague of mine
thought he was the bees knees and didn't even mingle or even talk to the
indigenous peoples - the error in his ego was that he thought he was
invincible - he wasn't; don't go the way he went.
Re the vehicle - us ELCO peoples prefer the 80 - good, reliable, hardy
beasts - okay they don't have as much 'space' available inside then say a 75
(found in Egypt) but they're damn good - I swear by mine.
Most 4x4s will 'work' (to an extent) in arid and hostile terrain, but why a
non-turbo? Diesel turbos are the best in my experience. Turbos have the
umph to get you there better - and quicker, and in more comfort, with no
loss of power. They're economical (okay, this is relative, I know) and
won't fail you, they're also quite 'at home' in the desert - its what I got
mine for. If you give it regular oil changes (every 5,000 miles), filters
and such it will probably out-perform some other 4x4s by about 60%, maybe
even more - depends how you 'drive' it.
Cheers
Renate Haupt
www.desertfoxoverland.co.uk
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Demi Designs inc.
Sent: 04 April 2008 15:09
To: [Email address removed]
Cc: Mageru Demissie
Subject: [ELCO] HZJ80 or 81
Way over here in Canada, I have been reading all the messages, and feel like
I am getting to know all your different personalities. I have found my one
Landcruiser, but still need a second one to start my guiding business in
Ethiopia.
I haven't got all the technical knowledge of you folks, but have been
instructed by hubby that the HZJ 80 or 81 is the only car that will work.
So with the belief that it is not WHAT I know, but WHO I know, I would ask,
with Julian's permission, if I can put out an APB for the following:
HZJ80 or 81. Years 1992 - 1998. Manual. Diesel. Non Turbo engine. Left
hand drive. (I KNOW, I Know...you don't have many of them over there, but
maybe you have friends in other countries...?)
Have a good picnic this weekend !
Maureen Demissie
African Queen Adventure Tours
Calgary/Alberta/Addis Ababa/Ethiopia
 
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Dear Renate: Thank you for your message addressed to Mageru. We are firm believers in working with the locals - Mageru is Ethiopian born and raised, and only arrived in Canada 4 years ago! He was a professional driver/guide with the State Tourist Agency there (NTO) for 20 years. The main reason he does not want a turbo is because of the lack of mechanics who are able to service them. But I will pass your information along to him - all input is valuable. I hope to meet you someday when you are not crawling around under your beast and skinning your knuckles! We can swap tourist tales - and we just might need to take a tour with you!
Best wishes,
Maureen
----- Original Message -----
From: Renate Haupt
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 10:08 AM
Subject: RE: [ELCO] HZJ80 or 81
Dear Mageru Demissie

Re the guiding - I offer guided tours in Algeria and Libya and the first lesson I learnt - work with the locals - if not they will resent you and treat you and your vehicle badly - I say this because a colleague of mine thought he was the bees knees and didn't even mingle or even talk to the indigenous peoples - the error in his ego was that he thought he was invincible - he wasn't; don't go the way he went.

Re the vehicle - us ELCO peoples prefer the 80 - good, reliable, hardy beasts - okay they don't have as much 'space' available inside then say a 75 (found in Egypt) but they're damn good - I swear by mine.

Most 4x4s will 'work' (to an extent) in arid and hostile terrain, but why a non-turbo? Diesel turbos are the best in my experience. Turbos have the umph to get you there better - and quicker, and in more comfort, with no loss of power. They're economical (okay, this is relative, I know) and won't fail you, they're also quite 'at home' in the desert - its what I got mine for. If you give it regular oil changes (every 5,000 miles), filters and such it will probably out-perform some other 4x4s by about 60%, maybe even more - depends how you 'drive' it.

Cheers

Renate Haupt
www.desertfoxoverland.co.uk

From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On Behalf Of Demi Designs inc.
Sent: 04 April 2008 15:09
To: [Email address removed]
Cc: Mageru Demissie
Subject: [ELCO] HZJ80 or 81

Way over here in Canada, I have been reading all the messages, and feel like I am getting to know all your different personalities. I have found my one Landcruiser, but still need a second one to start my guiding business in Ethiopia.

I haven't got all the technical knowledge of you folks, but have been instructed by hubby that the HZJ 80 or 81 is the only car that will work.

So with the belief that it is not WHAT I know, but WHO I know, I would ask, with Julian's permission, if I can put out an APB for the following:

HZJ80 or 81. Years 1992 - 1998. Manual. Diesel. Non Turbo engine. Left hand drive. (I KNOW, I Know...you don't have many of them over there, but maybe you have friends in other countries...?)

Have a good picnic this weekend !

Maureen Demissie
African Queen Adventure Tours
Calgary/Alberta/Addis Ababa/Ethiopia
 
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Wonderful! That you're working with indigenous people - there's nothing
better.
All the best in your endeavours - shame about not wanting a turbo
though..but this may change.if you do go down the route of trying a turbo -
make sure you have a seriously systematic Schedule C and beyond - done first
at the best 4x4 mechanic's garage you can find before you get into Ethiopia.
Do keep in touch, and yes, we will meet one day! This is for sure!
Renate Haupt
www.desertfoxoverland.co.uk
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Demi Designs inc.
Sent: 05 April 2008 00:10
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] HZJ80 or 81
Dear Renate: Thank you for your message addressed to Mageru. We are firm
believers in working with the locals - Mageru is Ethiopian born and raised,
and only arrived in Canada 4 years ago! He was a professional driver/guide
with the State Tourist Agency there (NTO) for 20 years. The main reason he
does not want a turbo is because of the lack of mechanics who are able to
service them. But I will pass your information along to him - all input is
valuable. I hope to meet you someday when you are not crawling around under
your beast and skinning your knuckles! We can swap tourist tales - and we
just might need to take a tour with you!
Best wishes,
Maureen
----- Original Message -----
From: Renate Haupt <mailto:[Email address removed]>
To: [Email address removed]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 10:08 AM
Subject: RE: [ELCO] HZJ80 or 81
Dear Mageru Demissie
Re the guiding - I offer guided tours in Algeria and Libya and the first
lesson I learnt - work with the locals - if not they will resent you and
treat you and your vehicle badly - I say this because a colleague of mine
thought he was the bees knees and didn't even mingle or even talk to the
indigenous peoples - the error in his ego was that he thought he was
invincible - he wasn't; don't go the way he went.
Re the vehicle - us ELCO peoples prefer the 80 - good, reliable, hardy
beasts - okay they don't have as much 'space' available inside then say a 75
(found in Egypt) but they're damn good - I swear by mine.
Most 4x4s will 'work' (to an extent) in arid and hostile terrain, but why a
non-turbo? Diesel turbos are the best in my experience. Turbos have the
umph to get you there better - and quicker, and in more comfort, with no
loss of power. They're economical (okay, this is relative, I know) and
won't fail you, they're also quite 'at home' in the desert - its what I got
mine for. If you give it regular oil changes (every 5,000 miles), filters
and such it will probably out-perform some other 4x4s by about 60%, maybe
even more - depends how you 'drive' it.
Cheers
Renate Haupt
www.desertfoxoverland.co.uk
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Demi Designs inc.
Sent: 04 April 2008 15:09
To: [Email address removed]
Cc: Mageru Demissie
Subject: [ELCO] HZJ80 or 81
Way over here in Canada, I have been reading all the messages, and feel like
I am getting to know all your different personalities. I have found my one
Landcruiser, but still need a second one to start my guiding business in
Ethiopia.
I haven't got all the technical knowledge of you folks, but have been
instructed by hubby that the HZJ 80 or 81 is the only car that will work.
So with the belief that it is not WHAT I know, but WHO I know, I would ask,
with Julian's permission, if I can put out an APB for the following:
HZJ80 or 81. Years 1992 - 1998. Manual. Diesel. Non Turbo engine. Left
hand drive. (I KNOW, I Know...you don't have many of them over there, but
maybe you have friends in other countries...?)
Have a good picnic this weekend !
Maureen Demissie
African Queen Adventure Tours
Calgary/Alberta/Addis Ababa/Ethiopia
 
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Sounds like his trip might have been quite worthwhile =96 or did the message
not get home?

It=92s people that make places truly interesting, I saw lots of people travel
through Papua New Guinea =96 quite a few of the ones who didn=92t engage with
local society left disappointed unless they had a very specific and
consuming interest (birdwatching, diving etc).


Malcolm
Stafford (UK)
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76


I say this because a colleague of mine thought he was the bees knees and
didn=92t even mingle or even talk to the indigenous peoples =96 the error in his
ego was that he thought he was invincible =96 he wasn=92t; don=92t go the way he
went.

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Hello the guys and ladies,
Well I can tell you that the atmo moteur in the HZJ is not so bad. Yes
I drive a HDJ80 with intercooler kit but when younger I drive HZJ all
around Australie even in deep sand and well I guess I drive pretty
good but the only times I wanted more power is on the roadway! HZJ
still have beaucoup torque.
OK yes so if your turbo "has kittens" in Sudan than you need some
factory parts new to fix it, but the HZL has not turbo to screw up. So
may be Magarue is right to want HZJ, but HDJ is choice of many
Frenchmans who to to raid in North Afrique and we do not hear horrors
about turbos blowing up. And think too the turbo consumes lesser fuel
if you drive gentle.
Hope this helps you!
2008/4/4, Demi Designs inc. <[Email address removed]>:
 
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Merci, Benoit. It's always good to have different viewpoints. The Ethiopian
roads don't allow for getting up any speed, so the pedal rarely reaches the
metal. After two months of searching world wide, we are now expanding the
search to include turbo engines. We have found one Cruiser, need to find a
second, then a Toyota or Mercedes small bus, and then we are out of the
snow, and off to Addis to get this bizness going!
Anyone who can help me find my cars/bus is entitled to a massive discount on
a tour!
Cheers, Maureen
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From: "Benoit Bernard" <[Email address removed]>
To: <[Email address removed]>
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] HZJ80 or 81
 
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