Is this getting a bit silly now? Teenager shot dead after attacking German railway passengers

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IMO, these types of attacks will become commonplace in the near future.

There are reports that a car had been used by a jihadist in France to mow down 20 odd innocents prior to the Nice attack, what were the authorities thinking of, taking no preventative measures in Nice?

The only way is to have armed guards patrolling public transport and open heavily populated areas. It the least we can do...
 
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How long before France , like America , is home to more guns than people ?
I wonder though, if that driver had been stopped by a member of the public with a personal gun, the vindication would create a surge in gun purchases. The next truck with failed brakes and there would be a turkey-shoot.

I agree with armed, trained police. Stuff like this needs to be stopped with better / more profiling. Perhaps working out the "why"?
 

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Normal is a relative word , a kid who grew up seeing dead and maimed bodies on the street is not going to integrate well with kids who relate death to playstation .

That's my problem with the EU push for more integration . I don't care about immigration in general , in my view its the normal way of things and if i want to move to Moscow to give my family a better life nothing should stop me so the same should be true in reverse .

But this mass relocation of peoples can only erode at ever lower standards of behaviour . Wasn't long ago nobody locked doors but now because of a very tiny minority it is generally accepted by everyone that anything not kept under lock and key will be stolen .

If they were to study prisons throughout the world and compare convictions to individual countries i imagine it would give a fair idea of how "normal" differs with location .
 
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If you took a criminal and his wife, lets say, a murderer, and put him in a town where there are only good people, would his grandson (after 2nd or third generation born in the town) be the same as him? With time, does the bad blend with the good and the sheer proportions create a good outcome? Even though it sucks for the people who the murderer killed and his son robbed.

If left in his original town then it'll never end.

It's incredibly unfair for those affected though to "take one for the team".

Having said that though, I don't agree with the come-one-come-all attitude. As much as we're tolerant we're also incredibly bigoted which only compounds the now-local problem.
 

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Digressing slightly but something Shayne said in his post about leaving doors unlocked jogged something in my mind, recently I was having a discussion on FB with a couple of my friends about peoples attitudes during WW2 and one of my friends posted this, I must say it was an eye opener it goes against what most remember from the blitz era.

http://spartacus-educational.com/2WWcrime.htm
 

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If you took a criminal and his wife, lets say, a murderer, and put him in a town where there are only good people, would his grandson (after 2nd or third generation born in the town) be the same as him? With time, does the bad blend with the good and the sheer proportions create a good outcome? Even though it sucks for the people who the murderer killed and his son robbed.

If left in his original town then it'll never end.

It's incredibly unfair for those affected though to "take one for the team".

Having said that though, I don't agree with the come-one-come-all attitude. As much as we're tolerant we're also incredibly bigoted which only compounds the now-local problem.
Yep... Only that most of the "Jihadis" in France are 3rd generation.

You can take the monkey out of the bush, but can't take the bush out of the monkey, or so they used to say...
 

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I see the link Chas the question of what is "normal" is likely what prompted you .

Like it or not we are governed by the community in which we live or grew up in . I was locked up so many times in my younger days police asked while releasing me one morning if i would like to put a deposit down for a carpet in MY cell .

So yeah i was wild but for whatever reason i was never made to feel outcast , I will never know why maybe it was because i was their wild one ? I feel i enjoyed a huge amount of trust from those who knew me well and many who didn't . Watch the bar , credit in shops , watch the kids for a while that sort of thing .

Perhaps because i was a typically normal teen in that community even if i was a little more normal than most .

I visited the courthouse about 10 years after leaving that circle of life and it was odd to recognize every name called only to see a much younger version of an old mate step up in response , so yes it is a continuous circle but the crimes haven't evolved and its still petty mischief and fighting because bad people will not be tolerated in any community , even prison .
 

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I think, if one murderer and his wife are put in a good area and good things happen, then there is a good chance the grandson will be good IF the murderer adopts all the ways of the good people and leaves all the bad behind.
I believe the chances of that happening diminish exponentially for each of his kind that he meets and socialises with and for each of his ways he brings with him.
 
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Im sorry, but if you let tens of thousands of people into your country, unchecked, from simply put, some of the dodgiest places in the world. This is what your going to get. You can throw your arms up in the air reeling off lefty liberal tripe as much as you want. This is real. This is happening..
 
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That's not exactly true now is it, I suspect the % of bad immigrants/refugees is actually very similar to our own home grown trouble makers
 

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Helen confuses the hell out of a number of foreign guys who report to her at work , they just don't know what to make of a woman that doesn't instinctively fear and obey them . These guys beat their wives regularly because its normal . She even had a female foreign employee come crying to her because she feared her husband was going to make her become a prostitute .
Not criminals just men doing things the way it's done back home .
 

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That's not exactly true now is it, I suspect the % of bad immigrants/refugees is actually very similar to our own home grown trouble makers
Fine. When the next load of people are blown to pieces or mown down keep telling yourself that...i wonder if, god forbid. family or friends were involved you would hold the same sentiment?
 
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That's not exactly true now is it, I suspect the % of bad immigrants/refugees is actually very similar to our own home grown trouble makers
Go and tell them that in Cologne and Sweden, I'm sure they'll be very sympathetic.
 

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You're missing the point, not every refugee is a terrorist the same was as not every Irish person is a member of the IRA.

Anders Breivik was not a refugee yet commited atrocities. Extremism and terrorism can come from anywhere and any background.
 
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You're missing the point, not every refugee is a terrorist the same was as not every Irish person is a member of the IRA.

Anders Breivik was not a refugee yet commited atrocities. Extremism and terrorism can come from anywhere and any background.
Maybe I'm not seeing your point but the point I do see is that the more that enter the UK the more likely is a terrorist atrocity, I would like to see severe restraints on who is allowed in or even stop them altogether.
 

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Do you really think every Muslim is a terrorist, personally I don't believe you do. Some of the first victims in Nice were muslim, terrorism is not confined to a single race or religion neither is every person of a certain race or religious belief a terrorist.

I think your right the more refugees that come in then there is a potential for more terrorists to slip in, statistically its a certainty but a total block is not the answer, more controls/checks maybe. but that won't stop the home grown nutters.

Could a ban on refugees provoke 2nd or 3rd generation uk citizens of that race or religion to start to hate the country they were born and raised to turn them towards terrorist attacks?
 
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