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LandCruisers for sale - Renate ?

Hi Renate,
Unfortunately the only real weakness of the 80s auto box is the cooling -
if you are doing a lot of towing or desert driving it would be advisable
to fit an extra oil cooler.
Out of interest, why do you want to have another? I can understand that
you might want to replace the existing one with a new one, but you would
have invested so much time, effort and equipment in the current one that
it would be worth keeping.
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
Julian
I have no intention of letting l'beast go - basically I want two
vehicles, and maybe at some point a third, as I'm planning trips into
the desert with small groups of 6 in two, or 8 in three vehicles.
Vehicle expeds into the Sahara is becoming a serious planning option for
me.
If the vehicles cannot be sourced in UK or Europe (left hand drive too)
than the other option is to fully equip at least two vehicles here in
the UK and hire a third.
Renate
Hi Renate,
on
Unfortunately the only real weakness of the 80s auto box is the cooling
-
if you are doing a lot of towing or desert driving it would be
advisable
to fit an extra oil cooler.
I
I'll
Out of interest, why do you want to have another? I can understand
that
you might want to replace the existing one with a new one, but you
would
have invested so much time, effort and equipment in the current one
that
it would be worth keeping.
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
Hi there Renate
What is actually wrong with you cruiser. If the engine is sound and the
milage is only 130,000 what is the issue. If you really wanted to do
something why not get things do bit by bit. You could start with new
injectors, batteries, radiator, hoses belts etc etc. It would be easier
that way then you could have new bearings big small valves rings etc etc
done. Have the turbo serviced replace all the seals on the engine, change
most of the iffy bushings on the body and then a really good service. As
julian said another oil cooler on the gearbox and hey presto a new cruiser I
think. If you are thinking about going a lot to the Sahara then what about
buying in africa even south africa or is that a no no, I dont know just
suggestions.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
 
On 30/3/05 15:07, "Renate Haupt" <[Email address removed]> wrote:
Renate
I got my car last November after many hours and weeks looking through
autotrader on the net. I ended up with a Japanese import, '93, 80,000 ks (ie
50,000 miles on the clock) with an interior that looked and felt new. No
wear on the top of the auto gear lever (can't imagine why anyone would want
manual as the auto box is so rock solid but that is my preference,
especially for sand) centre, front and rear diff locks, but most importantly
an engine that is so sweet as to be unreal. Underneath it looks almost new
again, with no corrosion, etc. I had it checked by a man that knows cruisers
inside out and his comment was to buy it instantly as it was the best he had
seen. I've done some work on it and more is being done by Footloose, the
sort of thing I don't have time for because I am away a lot. They too say it
is the best they have ever seen. Because of what I plan to do with the car,
we are changing all belts, oils, fluids etc etc and adding an oil cooler for
the auto box, springs, shocks etc but the basic mechanics of the car are
fantastic. That might be why it was =A310k, but I think it will prove to be
worth. Keep looking, be patient but when a good 'un comes up, go see it and
if it is right, hand the money over straight away. Or you may find someone
else from the group has snaffled it from under your nose. If I see one or
find one, I will let you know.
Jeremy Llewellyn-Jones
--
 
John
Did I give the impression my beast is ill? There is nothing wrong with
l'beast apart from just front axle work that I am doing with Julian this
weekend.
All the consumables like hoses and batteries are replaced as and when
they need it. These are done on a regular basis anyway.
I do have contacts in South Africa and indeed, I could source another
beast from them.
I'm planning on organising trips into the desert and this is why I'm
considering buying another LC and modding it. In South Africa there are
modded beasts kitted out to my specs which I am interested in, but not
not really available until later in the year. When they become
available I'll have one and have it garaged in South Africa or come to
that, Tunisia, for picking up on the way down, if you see what I mean.
Re the current beast, all the things like the injectors and stuff do
not need having anything done with them at the moment - I'm off the firm
opinion that whilst working on the beat I will see in time (when I'm
experienced enough) what needs doing and when - I'm waiting for this
point as I'm a bit of an eager beaver re l'beast at the moment.
I don't have free collateral or any kind of assets available at the
moment, so money is tight, and I think like this "if it aint broke don't
fix it" it seems to work.
Slowly but surely the bits that will need replacing in time will indeed
by replaced, but at the moment there is nothing serious that needs
attending to on l'beast.
I'm having it modded again for the Sahara and this should mostly be
done by the time I return there later this year.
Renate
Hi there Renate
What is actually wrong with you cruiser. If the engine is sound and the
milage is only 130,000 what is the issue. If you really wanted to do
something why not get things do bit by bit. You could start with new
injectors, batteries, radiator, hoses belts etc etc. It would be
easier
that way then you could have new bearings big small valves rings etc
etc
done. Have the turbo serviced replace all the seals on the engine,
change
most of the iffy bushings on the body and then a really good service.
As
julian said another oil cooler on the gearbox and hey presto a new
cruiser I
think. If you are thinking about going a lot to the Sahara then what
about
buying in africa even south africa or is that a no no, I dont know just
suggestions.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
 
Jeremy
Here! here! I like auto too in the sand!
Yup, I'm after another, and will ensure its the best one I can afford at that time.
I have great plans for the future.
I said to Julian I'll check autotrader today but won't do it until tomorrow now, as I really ought to get SOME work done today...
I completly forgot I had contacts in Southern Africa, so I'll be looking here too for another beast.
Rest assured, I'll grab it whilst the irons hot!
I did all the things you are planning to do (and then some) when I first got l'beast, and I got the white one! So I'm after another - all white beasts are out of bounds by you lot, okay? The first white 80 that I look upon that is sweet in everything then I'll snaffle it! Scoop it up and hold it tight (and be mightyly possessive!) Well, you know me and white beasts!
this is the way forward - the vision keeps me awake at night when I'm lax enough to slip into slumber.
footlose - hmm, I got a quote from Frogisland for the extra mods, and think I'll do the same with Footlose.
Are they a reasonable bunch, the footlose crew?
cheers
Renate
Jeremy wrote:
Renate
I got my car last November after many hours and weeks looking through
autotrader on the net. I ended up with a Japanese import, '93, 80,000 ks (ie
50,000 miles on the clock) with an interior that looked and felt new. No
wear on the top of the auto gear lever (can't imagine why anyone would want
manual as the auto box is so rock solid but that is my preference,
especially for sand) centre, front and rear diff locks, but most importantly
an engine that is so sweet as to be unreal. Underneath it looks almost new
again, with no corrosion, etc. I had it checked by a man that knows cruisers
inside out and his comment was to buy it instantly as it was the best he had
seen. I've done some work on it and more is being done by Footloose, the
sort of thing I don't have time for because I am away a lot. They too say it
is the best they have ever seen. Because of what I plan to do with the car,
we are changing all belts, oils, fluids etc etc and adding an oil cooler for
the auto box, springs, shocks etc but the basic mechanics of the car are
fantastic. That might be why it was =A310k, but I think it will prove to be
worth. Keep looking, be patient but when a good 'un comes up, go see it and
if it is right, hand the money over straight away. Or you may find someone
else from the group has snaffled it from under your nose. If I see one or
find one, I will let you know.
 
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Hi Renate,
OK, fair enough. Lets talk more over the weekend (Saturday is looking
good weather wise).
Don't forget that you will at some point need to budget dealing with the
bearings on the transfer case.
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
Hi Renate,
OK, fair enough. Lets talk more over the weekend (Saturday is looking
good weather wise).
Don't forget that you will at some point need to budget dealing with the
bearings on the transfer case.
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
Julian
Budgeting for diff bearings - will do, we'll talk about this too, over
the weekend. Actually, I'd like some input into the diff problem.
Hope things are being sorted out re the farm.
The weather (just my luck) will almost certainly change...
When you say weekend, do you mean 'saturday' or the entire weekend?
Just so I know so I can plan B&B somewhere
I'm off home now to catch up on the sleep lost whilst driving back to
Bristol from the highlands of Scotland.
Speak to you on the morrow
Regards Renate
Hi Renate,
for
OK, fair enough. Lets talk more over the weekend (Saturday is looking
good weather wise).
Don't forget that you will at some point need to budget dealing with
the
bearings on the transfer case.
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
"Dear Jon,
It was nice of you to take the care to find some LC's for sale, go and take
pictures of them at the weekend, spend time uploading them onto your
pictures site, then writing a description of them and posting it here. We
have all had a good laugh at shooting them down in flames, please do it
again to keep us entertained, we know you have the capacity to do it again
for us as you are such a reliable supporter of the list.
Love and kisses the ELCO team "
=========================So experts, to answer some of your points.
First, bear in mind I have an 80 bought at such a sale as the one I have
illustrated. After nearly 4 years and a lot of mountain miles later it is
still with me. 'Charlie the Cruiser' is my best mate and replaced my old
Labrador.
I also had an ex UN 4Runner from bulk disposal which was in just as good a
nick.
Who has run an engine to a great mileage on dyno oil - ME. But since I got
the 80 I have put synth in it. No leaks, no bad seals, no high oil
consumption. Its a Toyota quality engine not a Ford Explorer. And as I
wrote, aid agencies do look after the mechanicals and service at timely
intervals, if nothing else cos they expect them to last a long time after
making such a high investment, otherwise the developing world would be
covered with Lada Niva's and YAZ 4WD's. (Russian army 'jeep').
Renate I think maths is possibly not your forte, 300,000 miles is not a
direct conversion of 300,000km . Just divide by 8 and multiply by 5 !
The seats of the 80's offered are cloth, with carpets too - I know cos not
only have I seen them - I used to drive one of them. The 75 is a troopie
and has plastic covers. But the spec of a 75 is much lower, though an
easier vehicle to work on. It is not meant to be a family car but a rough
workhorse that can be hosed out weekly. Both my military spec Toys have had
cloth seats and plastic mats.
Seat covers are part of the spec that you request even from specialist
suppliers like Toy Gib. But at times they may have certain items included
to meet an import standard to dodge duty etc. (I once came across a man in
Hungary who imported a whole trainload of Renault 5 vans - ever heard of a
R5 van ? they never made them. But he took out the seats, put plastic
panels over the back windows colour keyed to the body and 'sealed' in with
black auto body sealer. They came in at minimal duty. A truck came over the
border with assorted 'used spare parts' - the seats which had no packing on
them cos they were just take out of the cars and loaded-up roughly. You can
guess the rest of the story). But I digress.
As for engine power in the sand, I haven't a clue. But you can email my
mate who is purchasing officer for the USA/Algerian oil company Andarko out
in the Sahara. He buys 70 series today with HZJ engines and leaf springs.
They are still made for the mineral extraction and oil industries cos they
are best for their work, do the job and are easy to maintain in difficult
terrain. I think they may still make them in Venezuela. Power enough for
those boys.
Gibraltar sourcing. They just supply what you want as long as you don't
want a 'saloon' type car and are 'trade' or an official body. They are not
bought there cos of the Duty, it is irrelevant first cos of location,
second cos they are mostly bought by bodies who pay no duty at all.
Governments, military, aid agencies, international organisations. All these
work on a nil taxation basis. We go to Toy Gib cos they are the only outlet
for such vehicles in Europe/Med area and they have a direct source, so are
able to supply most specs either from local stock or from stock held by Toy
worldwide. They can also come with a Gib registration which can be used for
a finite term without getting local registration in the country of use.
Personal import to UK. (Bearing in mind that I have a Pajero in UK
originally registered in Japan). My understanding of this is that there are
2 different standards. The commercial standard which I think is referred to
so far, but also a personal import standard. So if you can prove that the
vehicle has been owned by you for a while, then the spec is not scrutinised
so much. It must pass the MoT of course, but does not have to go through
the specific procedure of the commercial trade imports. I know of someone
who bought in Japan, ran it on the road for a day there with an insurance
ticket in his name, and them imported it on a personal basis even though it
came on a ship with 500 others. The insurance ticket was all the evidence
he needed. (I have also read on the DoT website that you need to own it
for 6 months). The biggest cost of import from a LHD country is changing
the lights, they will not allow blanks or filters on the lenses of
headlamps. For a personal import I think they will allow non 'e' numbered
lenses as long as they are the right dimensions etc. and of course you have
the rear fog lamp. But I think the trade imports all have to have 'e'
numbers on all lenses. By the way, my Paj does not have a speedo conversion
(just felt tip conversion 'chart' on the screen) and it passes the MoT
every year without comment.
Anyway, I will now go back and crawl under my stone and entertain myself
reading my emails for lottery winners, cheap viagra, other people's wives,
changing ATM PIN numbers, and bargain software.
Cheers
Jon
'92 HZJ80 ex UN surplus in Bosnia - where I live in the 'real world' where
buying a vehicle is just another daily challenge ;o)
 
toy
I gave an approximation - it was not a straight change from miles to
km! give me at least an ounce of brain cell, matey! and yes, I DO know
how to convert one to the other...
Renate
"Dear Jon,
It was nice of you to take the care to find some LC's for sale, go and
take
pictures of them at the weekend, spend time uploading them onto your
pictures site, then writing a description of them and posting it here.
We
have all had a good laugh at shooting them down in flames, please do it
again to keep us entertained, we know you have the capacity to do it
again
for us as you are such a reliable supporter of the list.
Love and kisses the ELCO team "
=========================So experts, to answer some of your points.
First, bear in mind I have an 80 bought at such a sale as the one I
have
illustrated. After nearly 4 years and a lot of mountain miles later it
is
still with me. 'Charlie the Cruiser' is my best mate and replaced my
old
Labrador.
I also had an ex UN 4Runner from bulk disposal which was in just as
good a
nick.
Who has run an engine to a great mileage on dyno oil - ME. But since I
got
the 80 I have put synth in it. No leaks, no bad seals, no high oil
consumption. Its a Toyota quality engine not a Ford Explorer. And as I
wrote, aid agencies do look after the mechanicals and service at timely
intervals, if nothing else cos they expect them to last a long time
after
making such a high investment, otherwise the developing world would be
covered with Lada Niva's and YAZ 4WD's. (Russian army 'jeep').
Renate I think maths is possibly not your forte, 300,000 miles is not a
direct conversion of 300,000km . Just divide by 8 and multiply by 5 !
The seats of the 80's offered are cloth, with carpets too - I know cos
not
only have I seen them - I used to drive one of them. The 75 is a
troopie
and has plastic covers. But the spec of a 75 is much lower, though an
easier vehicle to work on. It is not meant to be a family car but a
rough
workhorse that can be hosed out weekly. Both my military spec Toys have
had
cloth seats and plastic mats.
Seat covers are part of the spec that you request even from specialist
suppliers like Toy Gib. But at times they may have certain items
included
to meet an import standard to dodge duty etc. (I once came across a man
in
Hungary who imported a whole trainload of Renault 5 vans - ever heard
of a
R5 van ? they never made them. But he took out the seats, put plastic
panels over the back windows colour keyed to the body and 'sealed' in
with
black auto body sealer. They came in at minimal duty. A truck came over
the
border with assorted 'used spare parts' - the seats which had no
packing on
them cos they were just take out of the cars and loaded-up roughly. You
can
guess the rest of the story). But I digress.
As for engine power in the sand, I haven't a clue. But you can email my
mate who is purchasing officer for the USA/Algerian oil company Andarko
out
in the Sahara. He buys 70 series today with HZJ engines and leaf
springs.
They are still made for the mineral extraction and oil industries cos
they
are best for their work, do the job and are easy to maintain in
difficult
terrain. I think they may still make them in Venezuela. Power enough
for
those boys.
Gibraltar sourcing. They just supply what you want as long as you don't
want a 'saloon' type car and are 'trade' or an official body. They are
not
bought there cos of the Duty, it is irrelevant first cos of location,
second cos they are mostly bought by bodies who pay no duty at all.
Governments, military, aid agencies, international organisations. All
these
work on a nil taxation basis. We go to Toy Gib cos they are the only
outlet
for such vehicles in Europe/Med area and they have a direct source, so
are
able to supply most specs either from local stock or from stock held by
Toy
worldwide. They can also come with a Gib registration which can be used
for
a finite term without getting local registration in the country of
use.
Personal import to UK. (Bearing in mind that I have a Pajero in UK
originally registered in Japan). My understanding of this is that there
are
2 different standards. The commercial standard which I think is
referred to
so far, but also a personal import standard. So if you can prove that
the
vehicle has been owned by you for a while, then the spec is not
scrutinised
so much. It must pass the MoT of course, but does not have to go
through
the specific procedure of the commercial trade imports. I know of
someone
who bought in Japan, ran it on the road for a day there with an
insurance
ticket in his name, and them imported it on a personal basis even
though it
came on a ship with 500 others. The insurance ticket was all the
evidence
he needed. (I have also read on the DoT website that you need to own
it
for 6 months). The biggest cost of import from a LHD country is
changing
the lights, they will not allow blanks or filters on the lenses of
headlamps. For a personal import I think they will allow non 'e'
numbered
lenses as long as they are the right dimensions etc. and of course you
have
the rear fog lamp. But I think the trade imports all have to have 'e'
numbers on all lenses. By the way, my Paj does not have a speedo
conversion
(just felt tip conversion 'chart' on the screen) and it passes the MoT
every year without comment.
Anyway, I will now go back and crawl under my stone and entertain
myself
reading my emails for lottery winners, cheap viagra, other people's
wives,
changing ATM PIN numbers, and bargain software.
Cheers
Jon
'92 HZJ80 ex UN surplus in Bosnia - where I live in the 'real world'
where
buying a vehicle is just another daily challenge ;o)
 
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