large tires and lift

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Anthony,
opinions etc.
My opinion (IMHO) is that for a 'serious' 4x4ing with large tires (35") u
definitely need a lift OR u modify your bump stops (substantially) (and
hence very little articulation) so as not to rub.
I've seen guys with 285s and larger that claim 'No way, I've tried all
trails and my tires don't rub at all'. I've taken them on some trails close
to me and they rub - they just havn't stretched the truck enough or wheeling
in that 'type' of terrain.
So u could fit 285's with no lift and do some wheeling and swear that they
don't rub. All depends on what u do and how u do it.
If u can't afford the lift and going with 285's I'd just run with them and
see how u do. If u get some rubbing then just drop your bumpstops a little
(put in some longer bolts and a 'spacer' piece of metal (or fab up a new
extended mount). Keep doing that until u've reached a point where u don't
wanna drop them anymore and need to go bite the bullet and get bigger tires
(and more expense :)
If u could 'borrow' some 285's and try? Large tires aren't cheap.
I run 34" Simex and on occasions they rub. However they rub in the inside
(upper) of the wheelwell and I'm just too lazy to drop my bumpstops another
2mm or so. Its not an issue for the rare times it happens and not had them
'stick'. I 'had' a 2" lift but suspect its 1" these days (gonna put in some
2nd hand OME's soon so I'll see how that goes). Off next week for some
4x4ing and camping in Southern Utah and have a front axle rebuild and
trottle-body clean to do :)
PS When Christo/Robbie say something, u can take it as gospel, statements by
other (US) guys (on forums etc) take with a pinch of salt - it all depends
on who is saying it (e.g. anything from Norm from downunder/Aussieland is
also gospel :)
Lal in Colorado
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:25 AM
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: RE: [ELCO] [SALE]
Roman,
The Slee site suggests a quite a lot of things to achieve full articulation
with 35" or 315/75/16 and yet it is commonly understood that it is possible
to run 305/70/16 and achieve full articulation without any lift at all and
even 295/75/16 a 34 inch tyre without modification. I believe that a 2"
lift should allow for a 35". In a survey in the US there were conflicting
opinions on 35" tyres (tires) and the minimum lift needed to achieve full
articulation. Some were of the opinion that nothing touched with 2" others
2" + spacers others stated that they only achieved a full articulation with
considerably more while two ran 35" with standard rigs no lift and drove
with care because of the inevitable rubbing. At present I have no lift at
all and attend to this if and when I go to 35" I am will not be sure until
then on what lift I will go for, I do not have additional bumpers, tanks
etc. I will have to of course consult with the boss after I have briefed
here on the necessity of these life essential things etc, etc. You are
correct about setting a price it is very easy to have your mark razed by
attractive things. It is good to here about experiences with tyres. I am a
bit unfamiliar with acronyms what is AFAIK it is probably very obvious and
every one will be laughing at me but there you go.
Anthony
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Roman
Sent: 10 March 2005 15:05
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] [SALE]
Hello Anthony,
AFAIK, to achieve full articulation, 35" rubbers need a bit more than
2" lift. 33" should be fine, though.
My opinion is that with the established brands you get what you pay
for, so if you set yourself a price limit you can't go really wrong.
I've had good results with Cooper Discoverer A/T as a general use tyre
(good on road, cr^p in mud but wear realy well). BFG MT also last
for a while and are not bad on tarmac.
--
Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:48:51 -0000, Anthony Graham
<[Email address removed]> wrote:
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Hello Brendan,
Just a small point about bump stops. Rubbing due to excessive upward
axle travel is the least of all worries and if it happens at least you
know the shock absorbers are safe. But if they are wrong length, you
won't get tyre rubbing, only shock damage. Hence the need for longer
bump stops.
--
Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:40:14 -0700, Brendan Lally
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Roman,
True - hadn't thought bout that.
Lal
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed]
[mailto:[Email address removed]]On Behalf Of Roman
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:55 AM
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] large tires and lift
Hello Brendan,
Just a small point about bump stops. Rubbing due to excessive upward
axle travel is the least of all worries and if it happens at least you
know the shock absorbers are safe. But if they are wrong length, you
won't get tyre rubbing, only shock damage. Hence the need for longer
bump stops.
--
Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
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Hi Brendan,
I agree that to wheel with any conviction with 35" tyres a lift is
essential, I would only run like this for a short time and without forcing
any articulation I can not see it doing any more damage than is possibly
being done at present. As I have not had the 80 for a million miles I can
not quote from personal experience with this vehicle and do only convey what
has been said in a US forum, I can agree with you that Christo is indeed
held in high esteem and is Norm but there are a few others whom I would also
listen too Dan (cruiserdan) is some one who I would listen to above all
others. There area clowns on all forums that make unsubstantiated claims
for all sorts of things, in fact in every part of life. You must push you
vehicle far harder than most as I have never heard any one say the have body
contact with 285/75/16 they are only marginally larger than standard
equipment, it has been subject of many conversations are your bump stops
intact, still as you say some people just don't try hard enough. It would
be great for me to experiment on other peoples tyres but I don't have the
gall to ask as I do not know people well enough and I think they all live
some miles from me. If I had adequate funding I would just buy what ever
tyres took my fancy and take it from there or actually I would be driving a
718 6x6 Pinzgauer and never worry about tracks ever again but this day dream
was stopped in its tracks a little while ago and will most probably remain
as a dream.
Thank you for your considerations they were very enlightening,
Anthony
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Brendan Lally
Sent: 10 March 2005 16:40
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: RE: [ELCO] large tires and lift
Anthony,
opinions etc.
My opinion (IMHO) is that for a 'serious' 4x4ing with large tires (35") u
definitely need a lift OR u modify your bump stops (substantially) (and
hence very little articulation) so as not to rub.
I've seen guys with 285s and larger that claim 'No way, I've tried all
trails and my tires don't rub at all'. I've taken them on some trails close
to me and they rub - they just havn't stretched the truck enough or wheeling
in that 'type' of terrain.
So u could fit 285's with no lift and do some wheeling and swear that they
don't rub. All depends on what u do and how u do it.
If u can't afford the lift and going with 285's I'd just run with them and
see how u do. If u get some rubbing then just drop your bumpstops a little
(put in some longer bolts and a 'spacer' piece of metal (or fab up a new
extended mount). Keep doing that until u've reached a point where u don't
wanna drop them anymore and need to go bite the bullet and get bigger tires
(and more expense :)
If u could 'borrow' some 285's and try? Large tires aren't cheap.
I run 34" Simex and on occasions they rub. However they rub in the inside
(upper) of the wheelwell and I'm just too lazy to drop my bumpstops another
2mm or so. Its not an issue for the rare times it happens and not had them
'stick'. I 'had' a 2" lift but suspect its 1" these days (gonna put in some
2nd hand OME's soon so I'll see how that goes). Off next week for some
4x4ing and camping in Southern Utah and have a front axle rebuild and
trottle-body clean to do :)
PS When Christo/Robbie say something, u can take it as gospel, statements by
other (US) guys (on forums etc) take with a pinch of salt - it all depends
on who is saying it (e.g. anything from Norm from downunder/Aussieland is
also gospel :)
Lal in Colorado
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed]
[mailto:[Email address removed]]On Behalf Of Anthony Graham
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:25 AM
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: RE: [ELCO] [SALE]
Roman,
The Slee site suggests a quite a lot of things to achieve full articulation
with 35" or 315/75/16 and yet it is commonly understood that it is possible
to run 305/70/16 and achieve full articulation without any lift at all and
even 295/75/16 a 34 inch tyre without modification. I believe that a 2"
lift should allow for a 35". In a survey in the US there were conflicting
opinions on 35" tyres (tires) and the minimum lift needed to achieve full
articulation. Some were of the opinion that nothing touched with 2" others
2" + spacers others stated that they only achieved a full articulation with
considerably more while two ran 35" with standard rigs no lift and drove
with care because of the inevitable rubbing. At present I have no lift at
all and attend to this if and when I go to 35" I am will not be sure until
then on what lift I will go for, I do not have additional bumpers, tanks
etc. I will have to of course consult with the boss after I have briefed
here on the necessity of these life essential things etc, etc. You are
correct about setting a price it is very easy to have your mark razed by
attractive things. It is good to here about experiences with tyres. I am a
bit unfamiliar with acronyms what is AFAIK it is probably very obvious and
every one will be laughing at me but there you go.
Anthony
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Roman
Sent: 10 March 2005 15:05
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] [SALE]
Hello Anthony,
AFAIK, to achieve full articulation, 35" rubbers need a bit more than
2" lift. 33" should be fine, though.
My opinion is that with the established brands you get what you pay
for, so if you set yourself a price limit you can't go really wrong.
I've had good results with Cooper Discoverer A/T as a general use tyre
(good on road, cr^p in mud but wear realy well). BFG MT also last
for a while and are not bad on tarmac.
--
Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:48:51 -0000, Anthony Graham
<[Email address removed]> wrote:
Yes
 
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