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Nuclear Chicken

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Morning all,

Have verbally agreed a new job with which will be provided a new car. My immediate requirements are that it is a LC150 (joke), seriously a V70/ Passat/ Mondeo/ Accord/ (not French) estate as it has to be a family load lugger as well as a decent mode of mile munching for me. Any pros, cons, suggestions, experiences on any of the above or any I might not have mentioned?

Hard to believe it is 2 years since I killed my LC120 and I have been plugging away in a XC90 since, which, despite my initial doubts, has been rock solid and a super family car and is now at 135k miles and does the best part of 40mpg. :shock:
 
A few years ago, my boss of 2 years asked what car I wanted in my annual review - I replied "an Escort Cosworth please" he went mental! His veins started pulsing in is forhead and everything - He ranted" people would give their right arm for a job like yours" My reply was " if they are as good a salesman as me, fill yer boots....." I ended up with an RS2000 instead! Everyone else had Mundane'os....Dont ask, dont get!
Out the above choices, I think a VW or Volvo estate would be best bet.
Good luck with the new job and well done!

Cheers
Steve
 
Congrats Paul.

If you like the Volvo, have a look at the V60 which looks pretty decent.
 
I sold our Volvo V70 recently and replaced it with a Passat Estate. I do miss the Volvo as the Passat is not as comfortable a car or as well equipped (even though its the HighLine with full leather) nor does it seem to much up the miles as easily, but surprisingly the boot on the Passat is far larger and swallows much more than the Volvo did. We swapped cars in a cost saving exercise as the Volvo was a T5 Auto giving 16.5mpg round town and 24mpg on a run, giving us an average of 19mpg over the three years we owned it. The Passat on the other hand is a TDi 130 and give us 36mpg round town and 52mpg on a run, giving us an average of 42mpg so far since we've owned it. The savings don't finish there though the Tax on the Passat is £90 a year less and the insurance is half what it was for the Volvo. All this said and even though Im very happy with the Passat and have now got used to it I would have another Volvo in a heart beat as for me it is still the better driving car. A point to make is that even the D5 diesel V70 would still be far more expensive to run than the Passat, mpg is worse, TAX is higher and the insurance is more. If your not having to pay for any of this then the Volvo is the clear winner for me and if your talking about newer models then they may well be cheaper to run than the ones that I owned. A friend of mine now living in America hired a new Passat Blue Motion when he cam over rescently and after a long run to my house we were both gob smacked that the fuel computer was reporting an mpg of over 70mpg!!! I can't comment on the Mondeo as I have no experience of them except that someone I know recently got rid of there's as it was to large (very wide) and another friend of mine has had Accords for years now and is currently driving around in there fourth one (although one was totaled in a very bad accident that they walked away from), all of them have been diesel estates.

If your not paying listen to the voices, Volvo Volvo Volvo Volvo :icon-biggrin: :icon-wink:
 
Tahnks for the comments to date, especially sae70. Very useful and surprised that the Passat is now bigger than the V70! Running costs will be an issue to a degree and willl have an impact on BIK etc etc but I'm not going to get too hung up on it. Passat's size and economy are strengths but the reliability is not what one would expect from VW. Depends on the lease figure I'm allowed but company do know that unless it's a decent sized family estate then it's a no go. No point having a Golf or something that will be of no use outside work. I had a 2005 Accord Tourer, from new and sold it within five months. Huge estae and reasonably nice but it turned out to be a complete disappointment in most ways. It did nothing for me and was a very expensive mistake. (The current new version is much much better and looks much much better). However, it did eat tyres at the rate of a front pair every 12k miles which is rubbish. The i-CTDi engine was nice and refined, not very economical and not very responsive. I replaced it at that time with a 320d Tourer that while it was a lot smaller in the boot, was better in just about every other way and did a bit more mpg. The Mondeo interests me mainly for the size as it's one of it's strengths IMO as a proper load lugging estate. However, I've never had a Ford, and until recently didn't rate them very highly as the general unreliability and 'naffness' of them did nothing for me. They've improved dramatically in the last few years however and have caught up significantly in terms of just about everything. Overall, the lease cost is a good indicator of what's what and we'll see how it goes.

Any other real life comments welcome.
 
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3. Best for boot space


Need to carry a lot of luggage? Some estate cars are spectacularly capacious and should answer all your load-carrying desires.
There are only a handful of cars with more than 500 litres of boot space (with the rear seats up and luggage cover on): the
Mercedes-Benz E-class
(515) and
Citroen C5 Tourer
(505), for example.
Other capacious contenders include the
Mazda 6
(480),
Skoda Superb
(475),
Hyundai i40
(470) and
Volkswagen Passat (465).
As for ultimate carrying capacity - rear seats folded, but measured only as high as the car's window line - these are the stars:
Mercedes-Benz E-class
(930),
Citroen C5 (905),
Mazda 6
(905),
Toyota Avensis (900) and
Volkswagen Passat (900).




There's one estate that beats them all, however: the Ford Mondeo estate has more room, seats up or down, than any other estate car, at 530 and 950 litres respectively.

ford-mondeo-estate-272697.jpg
 
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Currently have a Accord Saloon car. Bought is second hand, it's a 09 plate, and has all the toys. Petrol 2.0 and it's ok to insure and tax (not the best but not the worst). Do I like it, sort of. I know you are looking ar Diesel, but you do have to rev the VTec engine in mine to get anything out of it. Suspension is quite good, and there is hardly any body role in corners, I feel safe in it, comfortable on a long run.

Would I buy another one, perhaps, but it would have to be the s-type spec. I'm stuck with this one for at least another 2 years, but I can't see myslef keeping it long term.

Out of your list I would prob go with the Passat, but then I have no real experience of them.
 
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Ive heard good things about the latest batch of Subaru Legacys with the Boxer diesel engines. Not tried one myself though.
 
As a driving car, with plenty of space for family and luggage I was very pleased with my 07 plate Ford S-max - really, seriously, a great car to drive, and shares the same 2.0 TD engine as the rest of the Ford range (so same engine as in the Mondeo).

We're now on a 10 plate Galaxy as the rear row of seats on the S-max isn't that big and the family has grown. It's a big car, and again we're fairly happy with it - but it feels like a big people carrier to drive, whereas the S-max was much more fun.
 
Out of the estates you've mentioned, I would go with the Mondeo first. You will be surprised at the quality of modern Fords and the Mondeo is genuinely HUGE but also very nice to drive. Pound for pound, equipment levels are better than most rivals and with Titanium spec and above you get all the bells and whistles.

One that you haven't shortlisted in your original post (and would probably be my second choice) is the Skoda Superb Estate. The VAG 2.0 TDI will probably better the Ford 2.0 TDCi unit in terms of MPG but probably not really much in it.

I would list your requirements in terms of priorities and whittle down the choice to 2 or 3 cars. Then take a test drive of all them.

Personally, I'd ditch the estate car idea and go and get a S-Max. Test drive one. Yes, you can have your cake and eat it! ........you'll see what I mean.:icon-cool:

Good luck. :icon-biggrin:
 
Thanks again chaps. Brother had a Legacy estate a couple of years back and was decidely underwhelmed with it and got rid of it. Wasn't Subaru bomb-proof either and had a clutch replaced at very low mileage. Dealer was also poor. Boxer engine is supposed to be good but just don't know how it fares vs Euro VI engines of most of the Euro brands. MPG is not that good either.

Skoda Superb is deffo on the radar. Slightly bigger than the Passat if the list of Graham's above is anything to go by.

Can't face an MPV so just no going there. Deffo not my cup of tea.
 
We are on our 3rd Mondeo and overall they have suited us well. The defining factor for me was servicing and general parts costs, the only issue I have had that really bugged me was the gearbox decided to let go a few years ago. I'm told that in the good old days, diesels had a different gearbox (stronger) but now it's the same gearbox for petrol and diesel models.

Mine might just have been a Friday afternoon box but apart from that the luggage space is good, returning 45mph with a heavy foot on the motorway and nice taught suspension/steering when I'm chucking it around country lanes.

The 2.0 TDCi Ghia X 130 is fun to drive, the OEM Michelin Tyres were a bit pants in the wet and I have run Toyo Proxies TR1's ever since which have made a big difference.
 
Frankly I would go with the Volvo. I've had a Volvo S40 Mk2 (Focus in a fancy dress) the past two years and really can't rate it all in terms of reliability. The gearbox has started jumping out of third on over run (Focus box) and the engine (Ford TDCi 2.0) has required a turbo, injectors and EGR valve. It has had all wheel bearings replaced as well. It only has 160k miles. I had a previous 'proper' Volvo S70 T5 for years beforehand and after 212k miles it still hadn't had any major work - just two track control arms and an engine stay rubber mount - and being a T5 it was soooo good to rag and was superbly comfy as a mile muncher.
 
Morning all,

Have verbally agreed a new job with which will be provided a new car. My immediate requirements are that it is a LC150 (joke), seriously a V70/ Passat/ Mondeo/ Accord/ (not French) estate as it has to be a family load lugger as well as a decent mode of mile munching for me. Any pros, cons, suggestions, experiences on any of the above or any I might not have mentioned?

Hard to believe it is 2 years since I killed my LC120 and I have been plugging away in a XC90 since, which, despite my initial doubts, has been rock solid and a super family car and is now at 135k miles and does the best part of 40mpg. :shock:

We've got a V60 D2 and an XC70 D5 here, and have had XC90's in the past. I'll pick up on comments below, and then add in at the bottom.

A few years ago, my boss of 2 years asked what car I wanted in my annual review - I replied "an Escort Cosworth please" he went mental! His veins started pulsing in is forhead and everything - He ranted" people would give their right arm for a job like yours" My reply was " if they are as good a salesman as me, fill yer boots....." I ended up with an RS2000 instead! Everyone else had Mundane'os....Dont ask, dont get!
Out the above choices, I think a VW or Volvo estate would be best bet.
Good luck with the new job and well done!

Cheers
Steve

One of Dad's cousins was an engineer for Cosworth; his car of choice was not the Escort Cosworth, but the RS2000 4x4, a much better car by his reckoning. Most recently we heard he was helping to get the BRM V16 running properly... he always had interesting cars including a Muira (one of the first RHD ones in the country), various prototype TVR's and god only knows what else!

Congrats Paul.

If you like the Volvo, have a look at the V60 which looks pretty decent.

V60 is a bit smaller than the V70, we use the XC70 as the dog bus and for going to the tip, but the V60 drives a bit better. Can't completely compare like with like because the XC sits that bit higher, and has the 215bhp D5 and auto box, whilst the V60 is the fuel sipping D2.

The 70 is a much more usable boot space (they designed it to take a washing machine in it's box!) than the V60, and has a lot of nice features. Big benefit is that you can specify a 70 with a spare wheel (albeit a space sava, but it's better than a can of silly string)

I sold our Volvo V70 recently and replaced it with a Passat Estate. I do miss the Volvo as the Passat is not as comfortable a car or as well equipped (even though its the HighLine with full leather) nor does it seem to much up the miles as easily, but surprisingly the boot on the Passat is far larger and swallows much more than the Volvo did. We swapped cars in a cost saving exercise as the Volvo was a T5 Auto giving 16.5mpg round town and 24mpg on a run, giving us an average of 19mpg over the three years we owned it. The Passat on the other hand is a TDi 130 and give us 36mpg round town and 52mpg on a run, giving us an average of 42mpg so far since we've owned it. The savings don't finish there though the Tax on the Passat is £90 a year less and the insurance is half what it was for the Volvo. All this said and even though Im very happy with the Passat and have now got used to it I would have another Volvo in a heart beat as for me it is still the better driving car. A point to make is that even the D5 diesel V70 would still be far more expensive to run than the Passat, mpg is worse, TAX is higher and the insurance is more. If your not having to pay for any of this then the Volvo is the clear winner for me and if your talking about newer models then they may well be cheaper to run than the ones that I owned. A friend of mine now living in America hired a new Passat Blue Motion when he cam over rescently and after a long run to my house we were both gob smacked that the fuel computer was reporting an mpg of over 70mpg!!! I can't comment on the Mondeo as I have no experience of them except that someone I know recently got rid of there's as it was to large (very wide) and another friend of mine has had Accords for years now and is currently driving around in there fourth one (although one was totaled in a very bad accident that they walked away from), all of them have been diesel estates.

If your not paying listen to the voices, Volvo Volvo Volvo Volvo :icon-biggrin: :icon-wink:

I think you're comparing 2 quite different cars; a T5 V70 is going to be more to run than a TDi Passat on all of those measures that you've used.


My choice? I've been brought up in a Volvo family, so my gut would be to say Volvo.... my V70 is in pieces in the driveway being sold off bit by bit at the age of 13yo with 225,000miles (had I not gone to Aus it would be nearer 300,000 with my annual mileage!)

Realistically I'd look at the following:
-Ford Mondeo with the EcoBoost engine; good engine, good size car (bigger than the old Granada/Scorpio now!)
-Hyundai i45 Estate; good if private buyer for the warranty
-Volvo V70 D2; same engine as the Ford IIRC, devil that you know, and comfy. Get with a manual to get stop-start technology. City Safe, Intelligent Cruise etc are really good; I use intelligent cruise on the motorway every time... not had to try City Safe yet... Don't put big wheels on them, they're always best with the smallest standard wheels; they crash and ride too hard otherwise!
-VW Passat; just make sure you get rid of it before the warranty expires!
-Skoda Supurb Estate; just don't drive near the airport or into town on a Friday/Saturday night, and you won't get mistaken for a minicab!

Things that I'd be looking for:
-Spare wheel
-Fuel economy
-BIK
-How I fit in it; I don't get on with the electric seat in one of our cars (I can't remember which) as it doesn't go low enough for me, but I'm 6'3" ish, and the cars all have sunroofs.

Hope that helps,

Ed
 
Thanks again Paddler. Useful comments. i40 is a very nice estate but has a hopeless 1.7D engine and the D2 is no way man enough for a V70 IMO. Couldn't agree more about the spare wheel and it's something I try and remember to check.
 
Oh - I know - a 120 Series LC5 :icon-biggrin: :whistle: Let them get you a good second-hand one!!!
 
Thanks again Paddler. Useful comments. i40 is a very nice estate but has a hopeless 1.7D engine and the D2 is no way man enough for a V70 IMO. Couldn't agree more about the spare wheel and it's something I try and remember to check.

True to an extent; the V60 with the D2 engine is a pig to overtake with when trying to do 50-70mph but on the motorway it's fine when up to speed...

I've also remembered it is our XC70 where I have to duck down a bit to look out the screen, but only from the drivers seat (electric) whilst the passenger is a manual seat that doesn't have that problem.

D3 Business Edition with Winter pack (and active lights), driver support pack, rear spoiler (keeps the back window cleaner), load comp suspension and a spare wheel. That would be my spec, based on what we like to have on ours and what works!
 
True to an extent; the V60 with the D2 engine is a pig to overtake with when trying to do 50-70mph but on the motorway it's fine when up to speed...
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Hi Ed,

How you could suggest the Vulva V60 is beyond me.
What a pathetic excuse for a car that is.

Has any one had a ride in the newer diesel Mondeos?

They are amazing, quick and fast for a diesel, is there any thing as quick?
140 plus bhp, and huge torque,
I think the top speed is some thing like 131 mph ! & 9,3 seconds, zero to 60 mph?

God forbid, if you get a 2,2 Titanium.

140 mph plus, and about 8 seconds zero to 60

FROM A DIESEL !!!

Gra.
 
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