Slow Power Windows

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This was posted to the main 80s list, but thought it was worth re-
posting here.
Basically the suggestion is that dirty switches might be contributing
to slow power windows. You can read how to strip them down and clean
them here:
http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=19651
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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This was posted to the main 80s list, but thought it was worth re-
posting here.
Basically the suggestion is that dirty switches might be contributing
to slow power windows. You can read how to strip them down and clean
them here:
http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=19651
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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On Apr 6, 2005 1:00 PM, Julian Voelcker <[Email address removed]> wrote:
Hi,
Every little helps when the basic design is crap. My D/S switch
control panel has been in an out more times than I can count, Some
contacts were half burnt, some were OK, all were adjusted, regreased
and still the windows will work slow or not at all.
I am fed up with it and am going to make a replacement switch panel
using all new new switches. (without the one touch down and soft up
gimmicks) Some time ago I enquired at this list about a s/h panel but
no-one was able to help, and a car breaker wanted 70 quid for
something probably just as bad as what I already have.
Well, if you want a job done, do it yourself!
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Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
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It does seem that the only real weakness with the 80s is the wiring -
the headlights and now the switchgear.
Finding second hand part will always be a nightmare - breakers are
always too commercially minded and will always price stuff at a
percentage of what a dealer would charge new.
Sometimes the auto down stuff can be a pain, but it would be nice to
have a single switch to close all windows at once - an old car of mine
used to shut the windows and sunroof when the alarm was activated -
very handy in the summer.
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Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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It does seem that the only real weakness with the 80s is the wiring -
the headlights and now the switchgear.
Finding second hand part will always be a nightmare - breakers are
always too commercially minded and will always price stuff at a
percentage of what a dealer would charge new.
Sometimes the auto down stuff can be a pain, but it would be nice to
have a single switch to close all windows at once - an old car of mine
used to shut the windows and sunroof when the alarm was activated -
very handy in the summer.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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On Apr 6, 2005 2:00 PM, Julian Voelcker <[Email address removed]> wrote:
Good point, Julian. That shouldn't be a problem
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'92 HDJ80
 
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| It does seem that the only real weakness with the 80s is the wiring -
| the headlights and now the switchgear.
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Too true! I haven't put my multimeter on the window circuitry, but judging by the way the dash voltmeter drops when you use the windows (or seat, or just about anything) the wiring is crap.
On mine it is very noticeable that the windows hardly move when the engine is cold and the air intake pre-heater is on, but as soon as that cuts out they are not too bad. Me'thinks that providing an alternative 12v feed to the window switchgear could revolutionise performance. It would be simple enough to take a heavy duty feed from the battery, but working from the "only be live when the key has turned to accessory position" feed would be trickier. Perhaps fitting one of those headlight voltage boosters would be easier, although you would have to watch the 120 watt limit.
On a more positive note: my driver's window, which gets more exercise than the rest put together, is not too bad. So maybe just using them more would help.
Christopher Bell
 
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I sprayed Simoniz "Back to Black" cockpit shine over all of the window
rubbers on the weekend. It's a silicone based spray. Two benefits -
windows rise and fall faster plus the window surrounds have a lovely
shine !
Gareth Jones '97 1-hdft
 
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Roman
Just my 2 dinars worth - my alarm armed mode shuts all windows at the
same time. The front drivers window is not playing ball and hasn't done
for a while - I'll get it fixed sometime I guess.
Renate
On Apr 6, 2005 2:00 PM, Julian Voelcker <[Email address removed]>
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Good point, Julian. That shouldn't be a problem
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'92 HDJ80
 
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Be interested to know how you get on Roman with this. We all suffe4r from
the slow crawling glass syndrome it seems. Renate your alarm sounds useful -
provixced it shuts the drivers window. I'm still having problems with
extreme cold and frost triggering my alarm in the middle of the night...
Can't think what is going on... And also must get my immobiliser switched
off/removed before heading off to N. Africa. Insurance insists on it and
frankly there are better ways of immobilisung 3 tonnes+ of TLC.
jeremy
On 7/4/05 10:53, "Renate Haupt" <[Email address removed]> wrote:
Jeremy Llewellyn-Jones
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Jeremy
When the drivers window worked it did shut the window - and yes, its
very useful. I don't expect there will be any change in how anything
works when I finally get around to fixing the window. All the other
windows work fine so it probably just needs a damn good clean out.
Renate
Be interested to know how you get on Roman with this. We all suffe4r
from
the slow crawling glass syndrome it seems. Renate your alarm sounds
useful -
provixced it shuts the drivers window. I'm still having problems with
extreme cold and frost triggering my alarm in the middle of the
night...
Can't think what is going on... And also must get my immobiliser
switched
off/removed before heading off to N. Africa. Insurance insists on it
and
frankly there are better ways of immobilisung 3 tonnes+ of TLC.
jeremy
On 7/4/05 10:53, "Renate Haupt" <[Email address removed]>
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Jeremy Llewellyn-Jones
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On Apr 7, 2005 11:13 AM, Jeremy Llewellyn-Jones <[Email address removed]> wrote:
Jeremy,
Don't hold your breath expecting that new switches in the window
master switch will save all the problems.
It's just poor design - the motors are too weak for the friction
created in poorely designed guides and the switches are not spark
protected so each time they carry a 15A load, contacts burn out slowly
and oxidise, which leads to even more resistance and more burnout.
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Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
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[80] Cargo Barrier

Hi Jeremy
I should have those photos for you this afternoon of the barrier and
hopfully it helps. I am thinking of getting another barrier for when the
rear seats are down, same principle removing the handeles and getting the
guy to make it.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
 
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Hi Guys
Come on some one must know hoe to fix or make a new window system and then
sell it on to others. I think I would go for it its a real pain in the ass
when your windows will not go down or up and usually not going up when it
starts to rain.
John C
92 HDJ 1HDT Ireland
 
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discs and site

Hi Julian
Still can't get the disks or the site to work for all the info on bits. I
think ill just give up.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
 
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Hi John,
I think that Gareth has a good solution - these back to black sprays should
seal the rubber against water slowing things down and also act as a good all
round lubricant - I have used it to lubing plastic of rubber based items for
years.
Also cleaning up the switches should make some difference on the older
vehicles.
When I pulled mine apart I noticed that the rubbers had shrunk in the frame
and they actually move up and down a little bit and it was part of this
movement that was slowing things down - I wonder what it would be like with
replacement rubbers - I don't think that anyone has done that yet.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Hi John,
I think that Gareth has a good solution - these back to black sprays should
seal the rubber against water slowing things down and also act as a good all
round lubricant - I have used it to lubing plastic of rubber based items for
years.
Also cleaning up the switches should make some difference on the older
vehicles.
When I pulled mine apart I noticed that the rubbers had shrunk in the frame
and they actually move up and down a little bit and it was part of this
movement that was slowing things down - I wonder what it would be like with
replacement rubbers - I don't think that anyone has done that yet.
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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