Snow, glorious snow.

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Hi All,
So how are you all enjoying this 'extreme weather event' we are having?
Personally I think it is just a little snow shower in a tea cup, but you know how the media like to hype things up and how public transport can't cope if the wind is blowing in the wrong direction.
So, on an LC note, any tips on driving in snow? Do you use the CDL or not, how about tyre pressures?
Regards
Julian
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Hi,
I leave the tyre pressures alone and only lock the diff if I think it
will be really slippery. I towed out two cars last night on the way home
from the pub, that is 1.5 miles. Sad thing is one of them was my son who
should know better.
Regards,
Clive Marks
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Well, we've got about 10" down here in Godalming and more forecast, which is
enough to keep most people at home. That's fine because there isn't any real
problem driving and very little traffic.
CDL only useful for uphill bits, but it's well worth pulling the ABS fuse -
ABS and snow/ice doesn't seem to go well. Michelin XZLs at road pressure
seem ok. By the time the snow is compacted and polished into ice I don't
think anything short of studs or chains makes a lot of difference (except
the right driving technique of course).
Toby
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Well playing around, sorry I mean driving around today, I have found my 80 struggling quite a bit, but I have 285s on it and usually run them at over 40psi which is fine for tarmac but it also struggles in muddy fields at this pressure.
I have now dropped them down to around 24-28psi (I must get some of those Staun tyre deflators, it takes ages to air them down otherwise) and it is a lot more capable in the snow, but on the down side it is also a lot heavier to steer, which I guess is a minor issue.
As for the CDL, when it is solid snow/ice I do find it helps stability a bit.
Regards
Julian
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Luckily so far we haven't had that much snow so far but is forecast quite
heavy this evening.
My fathers 100 series V8 is on 285-75-16 BFG All Terrains and tends to
struggle in the snow compared to my 80 series on 265-75-16 BFG Mud Terrain
tyres. I often wonder whether the BFG are just too hard a compound in bad
weather. It certainly does help when the centre diff lock is engaged.
One of the most fun vehicles I used to own in the snow was my old 4L Jeep
wrangler. Many hours of fun drifting in the forest......
The other thing that crosses my mind is that I think the UK is one of the
only countries that doesn=92t fit winter tyres. They make a huge difference.
Cheers all happy playing
John

-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Julian A.R. Voelcker
Sent: 02 February 2009 19:27
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Subject: RE: [ELCO] Snow, glorious snow.
Well playing around, sorry I mean driving around today, I have found my 80
struggling quite a bit, but I have 285s on it and usually run them at over
40psi which is fine for tarmac but it also struggles in muddy fields at this
pressure.
I have now dropped them down to around 24-28psi (I must get some of those
Staun tyre deflators, it takes ages to air them down otherwise) and it is a
lot more capable in the snow, but on the down side it is also a lot heavier
to steer, which I guess is a minor issue.
As for the CDL, when it is solid snow/ice I do find it helps stability a
bit.
Regards
Julian
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A few notes from my experience north of the polar circle (or moral circle,
as some up there say):
When compacted and polished, it helps to reduce the pressure. Also for
flotation off the beaten track.
CDL helps in loose snow and slush, unless you need to do sharp turns. It
straightens your track, i.e. you don't loose control that easily. (Read:
Go faster) (Well, the sharp turns can be fixed with the accelerator,
althogh the HDJ100 is a bit too sluggish for that, with it's
"accelerator-by-wire")
Narrow tyres are better on roads with loose snow or slush. Pizzacutters,
or at least down to 245 or 235(e.g./85R16).
Wide tyres tend to drift sideways and not tracking well under these
conditions.
And yes, dedicated winter tyres with a soft compound and lots of sipes is
what makes the biggest difference. Studs help only on ice, and
particularly when the ice is covered with a thiin layer of fresh cold snow.
My new Yokohama Geolandat I/T-72 are in 275/70R16. Couldn't get them any
narrower. They have a good traction, and braking, but a bit less control
than desired on loose surfaces. Otherwise the best wintertyres I ever
had.
Oh, and chains, of course, when the going gets tough.
Ugo Hu, Oslo, Norway
HDJ100, Auto, AHC, 2001; ex HZJ80
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I read a fascinating tyre review from a US magazine. It seems their snow
tyres have a special compound with "sharp" particles, and as I write the
news has just mentioned them. They seem to have replaces the studded tyres.
The article (which I can't find) also mentioned "all season" tyres being
illegal for winter use in more northern US states, I knew many drivers in
the US run summer and winter tyres and that now makes more sense.
Malcolm
Stafford (UK)
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
 
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I think the site your thinking of is offroaders.com
Heres one of the tyres.
http://www.offroaders.com/tech/AT-MT-Tires/Green-Diamond-Icelander-MT.htm
Cheers
John
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Sent: 02 February 2009 22:14
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Subject: RE: [ELCO] Snow, glorious snow.
(except
I read a fascinating tyre review from a US magazine. It seems their snow
tyres have a special compound with "sharp" particles, and as I write the
news has just mentioned them. They seem to have replaces the studded tyres.
The article (which I can't find) also mentioned "all season" tyres being
illegal for winter use in more northern US states, I knew many drivers in
the US run summer and winter tyres and that now makes more sense.
Malcolm
Stafford (UK)
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
 
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On a lighter note but a sad one.
Oil tanker stuck on the lane this morning - Driver refused to be pulled or
winched the 6 feet to the salted bit. He said " I thought you had a
Landrover not a Japanese toy.......
He said he wasn't insured if we had a collision....
Cheers
John
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Sent: 02 February 2009 22:14
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Subject: RE: [ELCO] Snow, glorious snow.
(except
I read a fascinating tyre review from a US magazine. It seems their snow
tyres have a special compound with "sharp" particles, and as I write the
news has just mentioned them. They seem to have replaces the studded tyres.
The article (which I can't find) also mentioned "all season" tyres being
illegal for winter use in more northern US states, I knew many drivers in
the US run summer and winter tyres and that now makes more sense.
Malcolm
Stafford (UK)
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
 
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What did he say after he picked himself up?
TTFN
Chas
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Subject: RE: [ELCO] Snow, glorious snow.
 
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" I thought you had a Landrover not a Japanese toy......." again, anyone
that dense isn't going to learn?
Malcolm
Stafford (UK)
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
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Sent: 03 February 2009 10:17
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Subject: Re: [ELCO] Snow, glorious snow.
What did he say after he picked himself up?
TTFN
Chas
 
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That was one of the tyres tested, but they tested six or seven snow tyres
all tested on AWD cars, mostly Subaru. I think two or three of the tyres
tested had abrasive compounds present.
Thought crossed my mind this morning, after I slipped and ripped my jeans at
the knee, that they could put similar stuff into the rubber on shoes.
Malcolm
Stafford (UK)
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 03 February 2009 10:08
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Subject: RE: [ELCO] Snow, glorious snow.
I think the site your thinking of is offroaders.com
Heres one of the tyres.
http://www.offroaders.com/tech/AT-MT-Tires/Green-Diamond-Icelander-MT.htm
Cheers
John
 
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You could be onto something there Malcolm....
Best make a trip to Dragons Den!!! Id buy a pair!!
Cheers
John
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Malcolm Bagley
Sent: 03 February 2009 10:31
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Subject: RE: [ELCO] Snow, glorious snow.
That was one of the tyres tested, but they tested six or seven snow tyres
all tested on AWD cars, mostly Subaru. I think two or three of the tyres
tested had abrasive compounds present.
Thought crossed my mind this morning, after I slipped and ripped my jeans at
the knee, that they could put similar stuff into the rubber on shoes.
Malcolm
Stafford (UK)
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of John Morgan
Sent: 03 February 2009 10:08
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: RE: [ELCO] Snow, glorious snow.
I think the site your thinking of is offroaders.com
Heres one of the tyres.
http://www.offroaders.com/tech/AT-MT-Tires/Green-Diamond-Icelander-MT.htm
Cheers
John
 
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Toby

| CDL only useful for uphill bits, but it's well worth pulling the ABS
fuse
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| ABS and snow/ice doesn't seem to go well.
I tried that experiment this am in about an inch of fresh snow.
Without the CDL the ABS was active, and my stopping distance was
acceptable and in a straight line.
With the CDL (same road, same speed) stopping distance was subjectively
about the same, but without the ABS we slewed sideways quite a bit.
I had a nail in a back tyre last week, so I needed 2 new tyres. I've
always run on Dunlop Grand Treks, so I ordered some that duly turned up
... marked "touring" on the side-wall with effectively a slick pattern.
Whoops! Apparently Dunlop no longer make AT pattern Grand Treks.
So I fitted BFG ATs which (by my rather tame standards) are doing very
well in this snow.
Christopher Bell
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Do you think it would work is I just point the angle grinder at the soles of
my shoes next time I am grinding?
Welts on my shoes are Goodyear, perhaps it's easiest to write to them and
wait for the royalty cheques.
Malcolm
Stafford (UK)
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
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Sent: 03 February 2009 10:41
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Subject: RE: [ELCO] Snow, glorious snow.
You could be onto something there Malcolm....
Best make a trip to Dragons Den!!! Id buy a pair!!
 
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Hi,
My ABS comes out automatically when I lock the centre diff.
Regards,
Clive Marks
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| My ABS comes out automatically when I lock the centre diff.
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Mine too, I haven't fitted a separate switch to the ABS. I locked the
CDL to test ABS vs non ABS braking distances, I don't think the centre
diff will make much difference to braking on its own.
CB
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mine too comes automatically-that=B4s when putting in =B4low=B4. and don=B4t care to
disengaged ABS-
if Toyota has found that this is the way why should I bodered...
cheers
Lubo
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> Mine too, I haven't fitted a separate switch to the ABS. I locked the
> CDL to test ABS vs non ABS braking distances, I don't think the centre
> diff will make much difference to braking on its own.
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Anyone out there got a hj60....wife and i going into africa and would love to talk to other hj60 owners for advice
or any past owners that can help us with east coast of africa or preps made to a hj60...

aint the snow fun......regards to everyone on the mailing list....

dan & lou


> From: [Email address removed]> To: [Email address removed]> Subject: RE: [ELCO] Snow=2C glorious snow.> Date: Tue=2C 3 Feb 2009 10:07:51 +0000> > I think the site your thinking of is offroaders.com > > Heres one of the tyres. > > http://www.offroaders.com/tech/AT-MT-Tires/Green-Diamond-Icelander-MT.htm> > Cheers > > John> > -----Original Message-----> From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On> Behalf Of Malcolm Bagley> Sent: 02 February 2009 22:14> To: [Email address removed]> Subject: RE: [ELCO] Snow=2C glorious snow.> > > I don't think anything short of studs or chains makes a lot of difference> (except> > the right driving technique of course).> > I read a fascinating tyre review from a US magazine. It seems their snow> tyres have a special compound with "sharp" particles=2C and as I write the> news has just mentioned them. They seem to have replaces the studded tyres.> > The article (which I can't find) also mentioned "all season" tyres being> illegal for winter use in more northern US states=2C I knew many drivers in> the US run summer and winter tyres and that now makes more sense.> > Malcolm> Stafford (UK)> FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76> > --> European Land Cruiser Owners Mailing List> Further Info: http://www.landcruisers.info/lists/> > > --> European Land Cruiser Owners Mailing List> Further Info: http://www.landcruisers.info/lists/
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Better stopping without ABS on gravel (loose surface) - very noticable.
And with studded tyres on ice, or any other condition when the friction is
higher when scratching the surface than the static friction.
Generally though, on firm surfaces, the static friction (not
skidding/slipping, i.e ABS on) is better than the dynamic friction (two
surfaces moving in relation to each other)
Ugo Hu, Oslo, Norway
HDJ100, Auto, AHC, 2001; ex HZJ80
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