{Spam?} 60 or 80 series

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Hi Rick
Everyone's telling you the 80 is the only machine to go for. I have no
experience of a 60 so can't comment.
But I wonder if you asked an experienced bush driver down in the back
of the african beyonds - what would he go for? A 60 or an 80 and why.
It would be interesting to see what qualities he'd be after....
an 80... like the difference between a soldier that survived the
trenches of the 1st world war compared to one that survived the second
in a tank!
NIall
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on behalf of clients i've looked at a couple of 60's and (without spending a
lot of cash - such as replacing the engine) they all tended to be at the end
of their natural lifespans.
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hi rick
everyone's telling you the 80 is the only machine to go for. i have no
experience of a 60 so can't comment.
but i wonder if you asked an experienced bush driver down in the back
of the african beyonds - what would he go for? a 60 or an 80 and why.
it would be interesting to see what qualities he'd be after....
an 80... like the difference between a soldier that survived the
trenches of the 1st world war compared to one that survived the second
in a tank!
niall
'95 hdj80

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hi guys
what exactly is clasified as the life span of a cruiser.
is it when it is falling apart and just wont be right again like a rotten
chassis or is it when the owner deems it too costly to keep going with all
the repair bills and the constant replacing of parts.
its interesting from the point of view that the 80 is now 16 years old in
design so how far more will it take us.
when di the 60s start their life.
cheers
john 92hdj 80 1hdt
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On Nov 28, 2007 10:07 AM, john byrne <[Email address removed]> wrote:
That depends who you ask. For most people on this list - when it's
time to replace it with a zimmer frame. For bush mechanics - when the
supplies of bale wire dry up. For moms on school run - when kids get
their own freelanders. For the lucky few - when the ashtray becomes
full.
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My ashtray's full, but I don't smoke, it's full of nuts, bolts and other
bits and pieces I think will come in useful one day!
TTFN
Chas
London UK '94 1HDT 80 Auto, 109000 miles, Safari snorkel, Custom Winch
bumper + winch, + Ray Dadd Rocksliders
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For the lucky few - when the ashtray becomes full.
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Roman
| supplies of bale wire dry up. For moms on school run - when kids get
| their own freelanders.
Must be rich moms! The insurance on my daughters' (aged 20 & 18) Fiat Panda 1.1, group 1 insurance, is =A31230/year.
Someone asked me about 2 weeks ago how much longer I would keep my 80, and I replied "until it starts to become unreliable". He thought for a moment and then replied "could be a while then".
It maybe heresy to say this here, but if I wanted the Japanese equivalent of a short wheelbase Landrover I think I would consider a Daihatsu simply for its cheap and cheerful approach.
CB
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One of my 40 series came with two spare inlet and two spare exhaust valves,
all brand new and wrapped up, in the glove box - I know the head has never
been taken off (was one owner from new) so they must be just spares?
Malcolm
Stafford (UK)
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
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My ashtray's full, but I don't smoke, it's full of nuts, bolts and other
bits and pieces I think will come in useful one day!
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i was commenting on 60's that i'd looked at in kenya and tanzania (there are
quite a few there actually - real workhorses obviously as their owners had
hung onto them so long). i had a trusted mechanic look them over and
generally they were ok for local touring but no huge distances. for some
reason the older/slower engines get hammered by their drivers. others i had
seen were generally big, heavy and very solid looking but pretty basic
inside - if you are doing any distance then some comfort is
allowed/necessary.
if you are looking at european 60's then it might be a different kettle of
fish - they'll have had a much easier life.
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Hi Christopher
Thats why you have to be usually shall we say a mature individual to own
the big cruisers because no matter what why you look at it you will get
screwed one way or the other.
And now with the you dont need that thing(cruiser) its too big and its the
source of all the planets wows.
There is talk here that the Budget in Jan here may put the cost of the road
Tax for the cruiser past the 1500 euro mark.
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
 
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probably find the european 60's have suffered diferently - but perhaps just
as much. salted roads, damp conditions and not good for chassis or bodies
and high speed motorway driving not good for the older / slower engines -
because it's a reasonably modern and comfortable ride people travel that
much quicker on the motorway and with the brick aerodynamics load the engine
up.
i have looked at a couple 62's a while ago and the engines on both seemed
ok, gear box on one was broken, both chassis were terminal.
malcolm
stafford (uk)
fj45 '75 & fj45 '76
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if you are looking at european 60's then it might be a different kettle of
fish - they'll have had a much easier life.
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John
That day may yet come here.
At present the 80's road tax is =A3190 or so. The little Fiat Panda (1.1 litres, 57 bhp, 40 - 45 mpg) is =A3135. But if I bought it new the 80 series would now be =A3400/year to tax.
It sort of makes sense: tax fuel (ie actual usage) more heavily, try to discourage people from buying inefficient vehicles from new, and don't penalise existing users too heavily.
The trouble is that I *do* need the 80. So long as we have horses I have to be able to transport them & their feed, and just maintaining this place without it would be a whole lot harder. It pulled a dead elm tree down for me last weekend, and transported the chopped up result back to the barn, although I thought at one point we weren't going to get out of the field - those 275 wide road tyres are *hopeless* on mud!
However when we replace my wife's car we will definitely get something smaller now that the children are leaving the nest.
What is really worrying me is the price of heating oil: currently 45p/litre and rising. We get through about 5000 litres a year!
In fact heating the house with oil allows me to make a direct comparison between transport and housing energy use, and makes me realise that the greenies are a bit off-target in concentrating so much on transport to the exclusion of everything else. You could drive my 80 twice around the world on the fuel the house uses!
CB
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| Hi Christopher
| Thats why you have to be usually shall we say a mature individual to own
| the big cruisers because no matter what why you look at it you will get
| screwed one way or the other.
| And now with the you dont need that thing(cruiser) its too big and its
| the
| source of all the planets wows.
| There is talk here that the Budget in Jan here may put the cost of the
| road
| Tax for the cruiser past the 1500 euro mark.
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On Nov 28, 2007 2:17 PM, Christopher Bell <[Email address removed]> wrote:
Chris,
Remember how they did it only a 100 years ago?
Put the feed in the LC, harness the horses to pull it and there will
be no tax to pay at all.
There's always light at the end of the tunnel!
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The thought had occurred to me!
However as anyone who has horses knows, there were good reasons for
mankind's abandonment of 4 legs in favour of 4 wheels...
| > The trouble is that I *do* need the 80. So long as we have horses I
| have to be able to transport them & their feed ...
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| Chris,
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| Remember how they did it only a 100 years ago?
| Put the feed in the LC, harness the horses to pull it and there will
| be no tax to pay at all.
| There's always light at the end of the tunnel!
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Christopher
They are bringing some new sort of standards in here in January to include
C02 emmissions.
But reading the Irish Times (on line) article on the subject today it seems
anything but clear.
Maybe I just dont get it but it seems they are changing the tax slightly to
fleece us more.
So what we will pay I dont know but if its a EU thing I think you guys in
the UK could be in for a hell of a surprise sooner or later.
I know and yes it was lost on the PC a while back that the C02 emmisions
from the 80 cruiser are about 1 and a half times a small car, if i remeber
correctly so why charge us 9 times the smaller car rate. O I do dislike the
people who make those decisions.
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
John
That day may yet come here.
At present the 80's road tax is ?190 or so. The little Fiat Panda (1.1
litres, 57 bhp, 40 - 45 mpg) is ?135. But if I bought it new the 80
series would now be ?400/year to tax.
 
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Didn't take me long to decide that, but I abandoned the four legs for two
wheels on a trials bike!
Malcolm
Stafford (UK)
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
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The thought had occurred to me!
However as anyone who has horses knows, there were good reasons for
mankind's abandonment of 4 legs in favour of 4 wheels...
| > The trouble is that I *do* need the 80. So long as we have horses I
| have to be able to transport them & their feed ...
|
| Chris,
|
| Remember how they did it only a 100 years ago?
| Put the feed in the LC, harness the horses to pull it and there will
| be no tax to pay at all.
| There's always light at the end of the tunnel!
|
| --
| Rgds,
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