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Hi Y'all
This should open an interesting debate, I hope :) .
What is the best engine oil for a 1994 HDJ80?
Thanks
Graham.
 
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regular 15w40 mineral oil. no synthetics no additives, just plain old
fashioned mineral oil!
brian
 
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Hi Graham,
That's easy Amsoil Series 3000 5w30 heavy duty diesel oil or 15w40
marine oil.
If you want mineral then Caltex CXJ 15w40.
The hard aprt is not finding good quality oil the hard part is finding
good quality oil with the correct style of additive pacakage.
Cheers,
Craig.
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Hi Graham
I would agree with Craig and Brian on this one.
It all depends on what you want to spemd against what protection you want
and for how long.
If you plan to keep the cruiser, you would want the best would you not. If
you plan to only keep it for a while, well you have to ask is it worth the
expense.
I changed over to the Amsoil last year after a lot of research and thought
I would be fine or should that be the cruiser would be fine.
Mine being rebuilt and such, it has taken a real liking to the Amsoil, so
much so it has drank a lot of it and wants more.
So now I only have a little left cause I have to get it in the UK when Im
there, but really dont know if I will continue to use it or not now. You pay
for what you get really and everyone will have their own stories to tell
about this oil is great and this oil is crap.
The oil should contain all the ingrediants you need so never add anything
else to it
Do some research if you can and you will never think oil is just oil
anymore.
cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
 
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even some children will tell you that that kind of oil has nothing to do in
a HDJ 80 engine...........
cheers
Lubo
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Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:39 PM
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da smiffs and miranda
Synthetic!!
Renate
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Sent: 01 November 2006 15:49
To: Land Cruiser Owners List
Subject: [ELCO] Engine Oil
Hi Y'all
This should open an interesting debate, I hope :) .
What is the best engine oil for a 1994 HDJ80?
Thanks
Graham.
 
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Brian
I would disagree...well, I normally do!
Renate
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Sent: 01 November 2006 19:40
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Subject: Re: [ELCO] Engine Oil
regular 15w40 mineral oil. no synthetics no additives, just plain old
fashioned mineral oil!
brian
 
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Lubomir Kolev wrote:
ok, from a conversation i had with the service manager in a honda garage
i deal with, he tells me that all hondas, even the latest super high
performance civic type r, or the nsx or the S 2000, are not designed to
run on fully synthetic oil. it kills them apparently. back when these
cruisers were built, 16 or 17 years ago. synthetic oil was not
available. the engine in the cruiser is basically a tractor engine!
built for work, easy to maintain and reliable. these engines were not
designed for synthetic oil. it may run on it fine, but it doesnt mean
its good for it. if it hasnt had synthetic before, then why use it now????
brian
 
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Renate Haupt wrote:
why do you disagree?? im curious.
even the toyota dealers i am in nearly everyday say the dont use
synthetic, the use semi synth for the yaris and corolla petrol engines
but standard mineral oild for diesels, castrol seems to be the brand of
choice!
brian
 
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Lubo & Brian et al
When I first bought l'beast I asked the guy I bought it from what oil he was
using; he said he always used synth - I believed him and have used synth
ever since - l'beast is UK spec J reg (1991)1-HDT.
I didn't seek advice from toyo because because I don't always believe what
they say. The sheep farmer (only owner) used to log everything including
the oil he used.
Personally my preferance is for synth and I even consider synth for diff and
transfer box too: I've never envisaged a problem with this, and haven't,
touch wood, so will continue with this. I use Dexron lll as minimum for
auto box but will also consider D IV when it becomes cheaper.
cheers
Renate
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Sent: 02 November 2006 19:53
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Engine Oil
Lubomir Kolev wrote:
ok, from a conversation i had with the service manager in a honda garage
i deal with, he tells me that all hondas, even the latest super high
performance civic type r, or the nsx or the S 2000, are not designed to
run on fully synthetic oil. it kills them apparently. back when these
cruisers were built, 16 or 17 years ago. synthetic oil was not
available. the engine in the cruiser is basically a tractor engine!
built for work, easy to maintain and reliable. these engines were not
designed for synthetic oil. it may run on it fine, but it doesnt mean
its good for it. if it hasnt had synthetic before, then why use it now????
brian
 
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Brian
Possibly it is a moot point with others, but I use it in preference, and
have always done so - I've had l'beast since 2000
toyo, when it was mentioned in passing (oil), he said the choice is up to
the driver, he wouldn't advise otherwise, and I recall him nodding in
agreement. ATEOTD its personal preference I guess.
(I added that bit about being an argumentaive old sow, because some people
are under the impression I'm argumentative, but hey I'm the only one who
drives it!)
If I have to use Mobil or any other I will do so, but I have my preferences,
and this includes Amsoil and Fuchs synth truck oil - the Fuchs (merk) oil is
used as a heavy-duty oil for long-duration trips in North Africa. It seems
to suit me, l'beast and the performance I think is enhanced - and its all
100% synth.
cheers
Renate
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Sent: 02 November 2006 19:59
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Engine Oil
Renate Haupt wrote:
why do you disagree?? im curious.
even the toyota dealers i am in nearly everyday say the dont use
synthetic, the use semi synth for the yaris and corolla petrol engines
but standard mineral oild for diesels, castrol seems to be the brand of
choice!
brian
 
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Hi Brian,
That is a really interesting comment. Synthetic oil killing engine is a
really good joke. In New Zealand all through the 80's hondas used to
kill cams at the rate of around 10+% during the warranty period. Honda
NZ would return the cams to Japan and every time Honda Japan would reply
claim denied improve your oil quality. Eventually they got the message
and went to a locally blended semi synthetic 5W30 that was terrible
quality it had a NOACK volatility of about 20-22% (legal limit in europe
is less than 13% typically but is to a degree grade specific) but the
cam failure rate dropped to 1-2% even though the oil was very ordinary
semi synthetic.
I have a few friends who drive theire hondas very hard with Amsoil 0w30
in them and they have not worn out. An engine builder I know in the USA
likes the 0w30 Amsoil in his race motors that are typically pulling
420-500Hp out of a 1800 honda vtec and he has not noticed lubricant
related where problems.
The S2000 runs a particular rod to crank geometry that means it's piston
speeds peak at higher than some of the F1 engines and here Honad imports
a full synthetic oil from Honda Japan for them and they get quite titchy
if you want to run any other oil.
Cheers,
Craig.
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Hi Brian,
Seriously why would you ask a Toyota dealer about oil they know nothing
about oil. I am not going to name names but several years ago a number
(150+) of diesel engines destroyed some oil filters and hence the
engines they were on. The manufacturers local representative tried to
make a case aginst the company that made the oil filters. Before it got
out of hand they politely suggested that if the dealers had used the oil
viscosity reccomended in their own glovebox and workshop manuals the
problem would never have occurred and the case went no further.
Dealers here for a long time were using a particualar diesel oil and a
friend made a comment about it's suitability in relation to the additive
package for japanese diesel engines. Within in a day he was rung and
threatened with a defamation suit, he explained he did not criticise the
oil just it's application and that he would not do their job for them
but it might be wise to research the fact that a lot of Japanese diesels
were specifying JASO CC/CD oil not API CC/CD oil within threee month's
two BIG delaerships had changed to a petrol oil of a different viscosity
as in that range of oil companies oils one of their petrol oils additive
pacakges was actually much better suited than the american style diesel
oil they had been using.
I very strongly criticised a well known USA brand of oil and was sent a
legal letter saying cease and desist or we will take to you to court. I
replied if I have made any defamatory statements please inform me what
they were as as far as I know I have only made factual comments about
your product. That product was pulled off the shelves NZ wide in the
next three month's.
I think most franchises no very little about oil and rely on their oil
supplier to tell them what oil is best for their cars. Call me a cynic
but it is in the dealers best interest that the car wears out soon after
the end of the warranty period as you will then come back and buy
another one.
I have kept the above fairly generic as the last thing I need is too
stir the oil companies up again. I can tell you though after looking at
30 plus exstensive tests of brand new oil samples all oils are not
created equal and some of them are so poor I would only use them for
lubricating a push mower.
Cheers,
Craig.
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Hey Brian
I concider myself to be one of those poor very unlucky
b------s who wants to do his best with his cruiser. But at every turn I
am hampered by a lot of misinformation, coincidental mishaps that just
happen just after someone has worked on the cruiser. But still I try to get
there, where that is I dont know its like the old story of two steps forward
and one back.
I do think however if there is a better thing or object that makes our lives
or the lives of our cruisers better why not try it after you have been
convinced by hard facts.
I say that because I tried all the usual channels of what I THOUGHT would
be pure honest true information , the Toyota guys, the local machanics, the
local motor factors, and other people.
What I found was people with vested interests in their own products, lack of
knowledge, or the worst was people who actually thought what whey were
telling me was true.
Things just did not add up, some saying , Dino is best for that old cruiser,
Synth will blow it up, stop it from working, Synth is only for new cars,
this brand oil is best cause I sell it, Semi synth is best of both worlds,
synth will rot all your seals etc etc etc.
So I had to find out what OIL actually was and what it does and go from
there. I did with the help of what I concider some very honest, reliable,
factual, people whom I now concider to be indispensiable to me and my
appitite for knowledge about my cruiser. I also checked what I could on the
net.
It all boils down to what you believe or want to believe with all the
information you have collected and what you are willing to pay.
I have been running Amsoil for a while now and the only thing is as I have
said ( it likes drinking it).
I think this could be due to poor information about running it in after the
rebuild concidering just after the years warrenty was up the new head
gasket blew.
But I would love to keep it going on Amsoil if I could get it cheaper but
dont know if that will be possible if it continues to have this drinking
problem.
cheers
john 92 HDJ 80 1HDT
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From: "Brian - Irish 4x4" <[Email address removed]>
To: <[Email address removed]>
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 7:53 PM
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Craig Vincent wrote:
it wasnt quite that i asked the dealers about the oil directly. i do a
lot of work for many different dealerships. its part of my job and i ask
a lot of questions off hand, nothing too specific, more for my own
benefit so i know that if i want work done on my car which garage i'd go
to. it was from the mechanics that i got my info on the oil and my own
experience of using fully synth in an engine that had ran for
310,000km's on "super universal tractor oil" and died within 10 minutes
of getting fully synth. its not an experience i want to repeat. im
basing my arguments or assesments on info i have collected personally, i
have never got oil analysis done. i have worked in a lot of places where
we ran a varied fleet of cars vans jeeps and trucks tractors and
machinery. they all got run on 15w40. bought in 45 gallon drums from
fuchs or texaco. like i said, these cruisers were built in the late
80's, early 90's. in a time when fully synth wasnt available.
but thats just my take on things, maybe i've over simplified it. either
way there is no way i'd be using fully synth in a 15 year old engine, im
only running semi synth in my octvia tdi because its what the manual says.
brian
 
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john, with regard to your exhaust, my apologies. it completely left my
mind. i'll dig out a piece by piece price tomorrow afternoon.
brian
 
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Brian
I run on dead dinosaurs: 9.5l of Castrol GTD 10w-40 + a filter every 5k
miles, or sooner if it has been working really hard & the oil looks
gunky.
No science, no analysis, just seems sensible to me, and not too
expensive. At 130k miles it doesn't burn *any* oil at all over that
interval and, so far as I can tell, no expensive noises either.
Christopher Bell
Devon, UK
1996 1HD-FT
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Hi John
I fully understand what you are saying, all you want to do is look after
your truck!
So, if you stop using Amsoil, where will you go from there. As my engine is
different to yours, should I be looking at different criteria?
Regards,
Mark Hughes
Sheffield, UK
2000 Colorado 3.0TD GX (95 Series), 1KZ - TE, BFG 265/75/16 A/T's
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From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of John Byrne
Sent: 03 November 2006 00:11
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Subject: Re: [ELCO] Engine Oil
Hey Brian
I concider myself to be one of those poor very unlucky b------s who wants
to do his best with his cruiser. But at every turn I am hampered by a lot
of misinformation, coincidental mishaps that just happen just after someone
has worked on the cruiser. But still I try to get there, where that is I
dont know its like the old story of two steps forward and one back.
I do think however if there is a better thing or object that makes our lives
or the lives of our cruisers better why not try it after you have been
convinced by hard facts.
I say that because I tried all the usual channels of what I THOUGHT would
be pure honest true information , the Toyota guys, the local machanics, the
local motor factors, and other people.
What I found was people with vested interests in their own products, lack of
knowledge, or the worst was people who actually thought what whey were
telling me was true.
Things just did not add up, some saying , Dino is best for that old cruiser,
Synth will blow it up, stop it from working, Synth is only for new cars,
this brand oil is best cause I sell it, Semi synth is best of both worlds,
synth will rot all your seals etc etc etc.
So I had to find out what OIL actually was and what it does and go from
there. I did with the help of what I concider some very honest, reliable,
factual, people whom I now concider to be indispensiable to me and my
appitite for knowledge about my cruiser. I also checked what I could on the
net.
It all boils down to what you believe or want to believe with all the
information you have collected and what you are willing to pay.
I have been running Amsoil for a while now and the only thing is as I have
said ( it likes drinking it).
I think this could be due to poor information about running it in after the
rebuild concidering just after the years warrenty was up the new head
gasket blew.
But I would love to keep it going on Amsoil if I could get it cheaper but
dont know if that will be possible if it continues to have this drinking
problem.
cheers
john 92 HDJ 80 1HDT
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From: "Brian - Irish 4x4" <[Email address removed]>
To: <[Email address removed]>
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [ELCO] Engine Oil

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Brian,
I have a lot of respect for Craigs write-up, each to their own but the
comments re "JASO CC/CD oil not API CC/CD oil" ring true from my experience
with Nissan engines.
PS I think I know what the problem with you 130K engine was, if the 10
minutes is literal did you refit the drain plug - just kidding although
someone I knew once complained how much oil his Montego needed just as a
trail of oil appeared at his feet! (Final year engineering degree student -
now probably working for a car dealer a advising people on oils)
Malcolm Bagley
Stafford, UK
1975 FJ45 Pickup (In Work)
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Hi Brian,
Big Snip
Can you give more details on the 310,000km engine failure, such as
engine make and model, synthetic brand and type tried and what actually
happened when you say it died. Catastrophic lubricant failures are
actually very rare but under certain condtions you can get interesting
thing's happen. I suspect I may know what happened but would like more
info first.
Full syn has been around since the 70's if you know where to look and
for miltary use a lot longer.
If you mean Skoda Octavia therefore Audi diesel I thought you had very
few choices and that they were principally full synthetic 5w40 with a
very specific VW/Audi spec.
Cheers,
Craig.
 
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