Genuine Toyo CVs - how much would you pay?

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Hi,
Milners sell CVs for ?80, and Toyota stealers appear to sell them for
?500?
How much would you be willing to pay?
Roman, do you know what Maarten charges?
The reason for asking is that I might be able to get some in direct
from Japan for around ?200 each.
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Julian Voelcker
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Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Hi,
Milners sell CVs for ?80, and Toyota stealers appear to sell them for
?500?
How much would you be willing to pay?
Roman, do you know what Maarten charges?
The reason for asking is that I might be able to get some in direct
from Japan for around ?200 each.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Julian
I've lost the invoice, so you'd better speak to George on +31 416
540167. It was definitely not =A3500, and most likely the part was
imported from Oz.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80 (auto)
On 8/28/07, Julian Voelcker <[Email address removed]> wrote:
 
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That was my point when we were discussing "improved" CV's from the US. Some
of those sold in the US seem to be new Toyota that have been heat treated
and they are retailing for much less than =A3500.
Malcolm Bagley
Stafford UK
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
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=A3500?
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| That was my point when we were discussing "improved" CV's from the US. Some
| of those sold in the US seem to be new Toyota that have been heat treated
| and they are retailing for much less than =A3500.
I think the =A3500 figure may have come from me.
When I had mine done (by Devon 4x4) they quoted =A3100 each from Milners, and =A3500 from Toyota.
If Milners actually sell for =A380 that suggests that they were adding a mark-up of around 25%, so perhaps Toyota "only" charge =A3400. Has anyone got a definitive figure?
Still a lot of dosh though, and in answer to Julian's "would you pay?" question my answer would definitely be "no", and spend the money on extra replacement parts instead.
On the heat-treated aspect of the matter: the process adds strength, but at the expense of increased brittleness. My preference would be for a slightly softer version which would - hopefully - give some warning of failure through emitting clonking noises.
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Hi Julian
Re> How much would you be willing to pay?
premature failure seemed to be with JB's Mr Toyo supplied and fitted
ones. Didn't hear any horror stories about Milners ones that were
prtoperly greased up.
I think I'm going to go with Milners and carry a spare.
Thanks
Niall
 
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Hi Jon
Re> When I checked them recently while
changing swivel seals and bearings they'd still got plenty of life left
in
them.
Whats the check procedure - should the bearings have little or no play
within the cage?
Niall
 
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I confirmed the Toyota CV prices with the local dealer - they are
around ?500 each, which is a steal.
I'm now working on more and more LCs (two axle rebuilds to do this
week), I'm looking into better sources of parts and buying in bulk.
I have a contact in Japan who can get parts direct from Toyota so am
exploring the benefits of buying in bulk and holding stock.
Due to the bull bar ban I'm also looking at bringing in factory winches
that fit behind the bumper - these are available as electric or PTO
based and we are looking at the prices of both.
Going back to the Milner CVs, I do recall looking up the manufacturer
and get the impression that they are a good make (not cheap Chinese
ripoffs) so will probably stick with those
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Julian Voelcker
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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I confirmed the Toyota CV prices with the local dealer - they are
around ?500 each, which is a steal.
I'm now working on more and more LCs (two axle rebuilds to do this
week), I'm looking into better sources of parts and buying in bulk.
I have a contact in Japan who can get parts direct from Toyota so am
exploring the benefits of buying in bulk and holding stock.
Due to the bull bar ban I'm also looking at bringing in factory winches
that fit behind the bumper - these are available as electric or PTO
based and we are looking at the prices of both.
Going back to the Milner CVs, I do recall looking up the manufacturer
and get the impression that they are a good make (not cheap Chinese
ripoffs) so will probably stick with those
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Hi Guys
I cant say which is the strongest between the Toyota and the Milners Cvs,.
But I have had two cage failures with Toyota Cvs and none yet with Milners.
I replaced the two this time with the longer splined Milners CVs and this
will be the test to see how they behave.
But as usual I do have a question or two, Sorry.
Does anyone know how they are made.
Would I be right in saying that the main part, (the ice cream cone) is made
in a mould and then the cage and balls are put in later.
Why some fail and others dont , is it to do with the metal being used or the
different or longer heating process.
Are some manurfacturers using differnt metal ingredients than others.
Are Toyota ones made by Toyota themselves or a factory that then puts Toyota
on the box and Ford on another box etc.
If that is the case then who makes the Toyota ones.
Could the same factory be making the Milners and Toyota ones.
I asked this before but how can you tell one CV from the other when they are
out of their boxes and sitting side by side is there any numbers or trade
marks etc.
How do they cut the splines into the shafts.
cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
 
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I have tried some answers, think they are right but I am just going on what
I know about similar type parts.
Malcolm Bagley
Stafford UK
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
The "cone" will be cast in a mould and the machined, probably with a
grinding machines and polished. Items like these could be machined out of a
solid piece but it would be much more expensive and likely to be used in
making prototypes, specials etc.
The steel used is probably very similar - differences are mostly likely to
be in the tolerances of the machining and any heat treatment and (hardening
or tempering)
I think this is likely to be a grinding machine, similar to cutting gear
teeth.
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Julian,
I have a spare set of 40 series axles that I would like to get rebuilt
sometime - don't know too much about the condition but I think it will just
be all the seals, pinion and knuckle. I have some parts and will probably
get the rest when I order bits. Not an immediate job but would you consider
it, if so, what would be the rough cost?
Malcolm Bagley
Stafford UK
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
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Hi Malcom,
I would say that CV's are forged and machined. Casting parts have usual
lower mechanical properties ...
regards,
Tomaz
 
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On 8/28/07, Julian Voelcker <[Email address removed]> wrote:
So you can bypass the Toyota European central depo in Belgium and do
your own import at trade prices. That would be interesting.
The PTO adapter seems to be rather expensive compared to other winch
installations. BTW, does the bull bar ban affect winch bumpers in any
way?
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Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80 (auto)
 
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Hi Roman,
There will be markup and delivery costs from the guy in Japan, but the aim
would be to bulk buy to keep the costs down.
The PTO route is expensive, but when you look at the cost of a decent Warn
or MileMarker and then a bumper to mount it on they soon add up as well and
for expeditions a few people I have talked to would like the winch, but
not the cost of the bumper to mount it on.
I know that TBR are doing some 'hidden' winch mounts that go behind the
bumper, but am not sure of the costs.
As far as I know the ban is on modified bumpers of all types - the main
problem is that ARB and also I believe TJM aren't importing them anymore.
I know that some companies like Frogs are looking to get them made in the
UK and that it is OK to fit to pre '07 4x4s, but a PTO winch will provide
an interesting alternative.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Hi Roman,
There will be markup and delivery costs from the guy in Japan, but the aim
would be to bulk buy to keep the costs down.
The PTO route is expensive, but when you look at the cost of a decent Warn
or MileMarker and then a bumper to mount it on they soon add up as well and
for expeditions a few people I have talked to would like the winch, but
not the cost of the bumper to mount it on.
I know that TBR are doing some 'hidden' winch mounts that go behind the
bumper, but am not sure of the costs.
As far as I know the ban is on modified bumpers of all types - the main
problem is that ARB and also I believe TJM aren't importing them anymore.
I know that some companies like Frogs are looking to get them made in the
UK and that it is OK to fit to pre '07 4x4s, but a PTO winch will provide
an interesting alternative.
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Roman
Re> BTW, does the bull bar ban affect winch bumpers in any
way?
Not so sure there is a ban on bull bars - more a ban on items over a
certain weight thats not an integral part of the chassis....
Likely to be open to various interpretations
Niall
 
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Julian
Re> The PTO route is expensive, but when you look at the cost of a
decent Warn
or MileMarker and then a bumper to mount it on they soon add up as well
and
for expeditions a few people I have talked to would like the winch,
but
not the cost of the bumper to mount it on.
On expedition - If you're not driving at night you don't really need a
bullbar.
Also - the bullbars are heavy.
I had a factory winch on my yoke before fitting ARB
IMHO - the factory winch was better than the Warn replacement.
Niall
 
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Your right Tomaz, I thought that after I sent it casting wasn't the right
answer, brain wasn't fully working this morning (as usual).
JB sorry about the mis-information, forging takes a billet (solid) bit of
the material and makes it into the rough shape with a press. The rough item
is then machined.
Malcolm Bagley
Stafford UK
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
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Hi Malcolm
Thanks for the insight, as you know I dont have any practical knowledge but
that doesn't stop the questions from lodging in my head.
So forged is better than casting (why), is the same compisit of metal not
used in both cases.
In that case is the cone made seperate to the shaft.
cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
 
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