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Hi y'all
Do any of you know someone who can remove a damaged LRFT, flush it, weld it
and put it back again? within the SW?
I wouldn't normally ask this, as I know it has probably come up lots of
times before, but I don't visit much now - sorry folks, other priorities.
Can I be given a rough guestimate of the costs of having this done please
too?
Ta muchly!
Renate
Who's finally got l'beast roadworthy again.
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10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>Do any of you know
someone who can remove a damaged LRFT, flush it, weld it and put it back again? 
within the SW?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>I wouldn’t
normally ask this, as I know it has probably come up lots of times before, but
I don’t visit much now – sorry folks, other priorities.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Renate,
Firstly, please could you make sure that you only post to the list in
text format.
Which LRFT do you have?

If it is a conventional Long Ranger or Front Runner pretty well any
fabricator should be able to do it.
Depending on the damage I wouldn't have thought that it would take more
than 2-3hrs.
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
07971 540362
[Email address removed]
 
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Renate
Where are you in the SW? I can think of a couple of places locally that I'm sure could do it, but if I remember rightly you're in Bristol and we're about 80 miles from there which might be a bit far for you. As Julian said any fabricator should be able to fix the tank, although some might baulk at removal and refitting.
Christopher Bell
Hi y'all
Do any of you know someone who can remove a damaged LRFT, flush it, weld it and put it back again?=A0 within the SW?
I wouldn't normally ask this, as I know it has probably come up lots of times before, but I don't visit much now - sorry folks, other priorities.
Can I be given a rough guestimate of the costs of having this done please too?
Ta muchly!
Renate
Who's finally got l'beast roadworthy again...
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Hi Christopher
80 miles is no distance for me at all.
Yes, I do live in Bristol, North Bristol area (S. Gloucs)
Cheers
Renate
 
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Renate
Give these people a ring then, I've used them and have found them very
good.
Devon 4x4
Southlea Service Station
Bish Mill
South Molton
Devon EX36 3QU
01769 550900
[Email address removed]
http://www.devon4x4.com/
The link below gives their location which must be about 100+ miles from
you if you are in North Bristol, so this might be a bit far.
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=3D275320&Y=3D125639&A=3DY&Z=3D130
They mainly do Land Rovers, but were happy to work on my machine and
seemed competent. (And there will be none of this "we don't do modified
machines" nonsense as they work full-time on off-roaders, and build
their own machines as well as working on customer's kit.
Incidentally they also did very good prices on tyres - no less than 30%
cheaper that Mr Quik-Fit and similar, and that included fitting and
balancing.
Christopher Bell
| Subject: RE: [ELCO] LRFT
|
| Hi Christopher
| 80 miles is no distance for me at all.
| Yes, I do live in Bristol, North Bristol area (S. Gloucs)
| Cheers
| Renate
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Chris
Thanks for this.
Distance is not a problem for me, the only reservations is that I'd have to
spend a night over somewhere and collect the car the next day because they
probably won't do it on the same day, i.e. I'd guess they probably wouldn't
do it while I wait, kinda thing.
I'll check them out this week
Cheers
Renate
 
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Depending on the amount of welding required I would have thought it should only take about three hours to drain the tank, drop it out, vent it/fill with water, weld it then clean it out and remount.
How much damage is there to the tank?
Also I assume that it is a steel one or is it a stainless steel one?
Regards
Julian
Email: [Email address removed]
Tel:=A0+44 (0)845 508 6863
 
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Renate
They could probably take it off, block off the pipes & filler, and you
could drive away for a nice scenic stay/trip on Exmoor - which starts
about 5 miles north of there. The colours are absolutely stunning at
this time of year.
CB
| Chris
| Thanks for this.
| Distance is not a problem for me, the only reservations is that I'd
have
| to
| spend a night over somewhere and collect the car the next day because
they
| probably won't do it on the same day, i.e. I'd guess they probably
| wouldn't
| do it while I wait, kinda thing.
| I'll check them out this week
| Cheers
| Renate
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Julian
Damage is a long stress crack/fracture - its been empty since it became
damaged.
You wrote: " Depending on the amount of welding required I would have
thought it should only take about three hours to drain the tank, drop it
out, vent it/fill with water, weld it then clean it out and remount.
How much damage is there to the tank?
Also I assume that it is a steel one or is it a stainless steel one?" end
quote
Steel I guess, I think its going rusty so it certainly isn't stainless
steel!
It's probably just got fume remnants in it I guess.
Regards
Renate
 
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Hi Renate,
OK, then it should be repairable with a Mig or stick welder.
Even though it has been empty for a while it would still be sensible to make sure it is vented properly before doing any welding which is time consuming.
Do you remember if it is an 'off the shelf' tank like a Long Ranger or Front Runner or a custom job?
Are the cracks as a result of impact damage or poor mounting?
I have seen some appalling professionally made and fitted custom tanks that have been mounted to the chassis and the body so just repairing the crack wouldn't be enough - in the end we have dumped the tank and I'll be fitting an off the shelf one. I'm just wondering if your tank might require some extra bracing or mounts to prevent it happening again - you should give it some thought before getting it booked in anywhere - I would probably want to actually see the tank and damage before quoting costs and timescales.
Regards
Julian
Email: [Email address removed]
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If that's what they do they should know what to use, might be TIG if it's a
good shop, MIG then stick would be second and third choices, I can't use TIG
but the results are very good, wish I could do it.
If I were to weld a tank I would clean it, then fill it with an inert gas
(like the mig uses) and leave the gas on while I welded. I am told it
possible to weld heavy gauge steel tanks (storage tanks not car tanks) while
full of diesel, don't fancy trying that.
Malcolm
Stafford (UK)
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
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Behalf Of Julian A.R. Voelcker
Sent: 18 November 2008 14:08
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Subject: RE: [ELCO] LRFT
Even though it has been empty for a while it would still be sensible to make
sure it is vented properly before doing any welding which is time consuming.
 
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Julian
You wrote:
" OK, then it should be repairable with a Mig or stick welder." Yeah and
who do I know in Brizzle who has a MiG!?
Even though it has been empty for a while it would still be sensible to make
sure it is vented properly before doing any welding which is time consuming.
You wrote "Do you remember if it is an 'off the shelf' tank like a Long
Ranger or Front Runner or a custom job?"
As far as I can remember it was imported from either Southern Africa or more
likely, the Netherlands, I guess a Long Ranger, its either 120 or a 170 ltrs
You wrote "Are the cracks as a result of impact damage or poor mounting?"
Impact, inasmuch a jack was put up against it - not me, someone else's, and
it slipped, or something. I guess the jack caught and hit it, so denting it
and then cracking it.
You wrote "I have seen some appalling professionally made and fitted custom
tanks that have been mounted to the chassis and the body so just repairing
the crack wouldn't be enough - in the end we have dumped the tank and I'll
be fitting an off the shelf one. I'm just wondering if your tank might
require some extra bracing or mounts to prevent it happening again - you
should give it some thought before getting it booked in anywhere - I would
probably want to actually see the tank and damage before quoting costs and
timescales."
As far as I know its mounted as good as it ever was - it was done by a 4x4
outfitter - you know, the one I mentioned to you a while ago, they were
based in Stamford, Lincs, a small family-run business - I think it all got a
bit much for the family so I believe they sold it, or at least, stopped
trading as far as I'm aware - it was a few years ago now.
Cheers
Renate
 
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Malcolm
You wrote:
" I am told it possible to weld heavy gauge steel tanks (storage tanks not
car tanks) while full of diesel, don't fancy trying that."
!!! I think doing any Mig-ing or Tig-ing with inflammable fluid in the tank
is just asking for it!!!
Renate
 
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Hi Renate,
Diesel is a little different to petrol, the liquid is not very flammable or
explosive, although the fumes are more so. The story I was told was about
welding on a 20000 litre tank, the fuel on the other side will be heated but
there is lots of it, as I remember the weld was to repair small leaks from
pinholes on welds, during the repair a very small spray of escaping fuel was
lit but went out when the hole was sealed... as I said not something I would
try or recommend!
Sounds like your getting ready to go somewhere, or are you just planning to
stock up on fuel while it's cheaper?
Malcolm
Stafford (UK)
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
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From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Renate Haupt
Sent: 18 November 2008 14:57
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: RE: [ELCO] LRFT
Malcolm
You wrote:
" I am told it possible to weld heavy gauge steel tanks (storage tanks not
car tanks) while full of diesel, don't fancy trying that."
!!! I think doing any Mig-ing or Tig-ing with inflammable fluid in the tank
is just asking for it!!!
Renate
 
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Hi Malcolm
You wrote: " Sounds like your getting ready to go somewhere, or are you just
planning to stock up on fuel while it's cheaper?" unquote
A bit of both...I'm planning for a January or February trip, but at this
moment, the ongoing work on l'beast has come to an advantageous and
appropriate pause - so I'm planning the last few stages of serious l'beast
work, some more (updated) mods and then I'll be off again.
I've been away from the Sahara for too long and I guess its getting to me.
Cheers
Renate
 
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Malcolm
There have been several instances, including during the Falklands war,
of cold (liquid!) diesel actually extinguishing flames on board naval
ships. And as an oil-fired AGA owner I can confirm that lighting
kerosene without some sort of wick can be difficult.
I have to say though, that if I were doing the welding I would make sure
that the tank was *very* clean before I started!
CB
|
| Hi Renate,
|
| Diesel is a little different to petrol, the liquid is not very
flammable
| or
| explosive, although the fumes are more so. The story I was told was
about
| welding on a 20000 litre tank, the fuel on the other side will be
heated
| but
| there is lots of it, as I remember the weld was to repair small leaks
from
| pinholes on welds, during the repair a very small spray of escaping
fuel
| was
| lit but went out when the hole was sealed... as I said not something I
| would
| try or recommend!
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