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Gareth et al
Matt saw the bits as did I.
A very nice deep groove where the bronze bush on one of the drive shafts has caught, the groove has allowed diff fluid into the cvjs which have then been cleaned out of the grease they contain, compounding the problem.
Matt thought that maybe because I haven't had the drive shafts and axle serviced on a regular basis for the last 2 years the problem wasn't seen until now. He also thinks that I should have the back axle serviced too to nip any problems in the bud before they also result in an expensive new (or second hand) axle (!)
Re second hand axle - I need to get one from a 4x4 breaker yard to replace the one I have because the bronze bushes can only be engineered and manufactured by specialist engineers, hence they are not available to buy so have to get hold of a complete axle....
Probably all to do with lack of servicing and having no money as I was out of work or earning just peanuts for the last two years so haven't been able to afford all the expensive servicing(!).
As it is I owe the garage =A3335 plus just for labour.
Now I have to wait until after the holidays before I can use works time internet surfing for sourcing the relevant axle - please, can anyone help me in this? Anyone (in the SW) know of a 'local' 4x4 breakers so I can get the axle from them?
I think the back axle will go the same way so am after one of those too - again, can anyone help me with this? I really need your advice guys, like I've never needed it to this extent before, so please, please help (and there will be wine/spirits/food in it for anyone willing to help)
I can't expect any of you to do everything for me and I'm not asking any of you for this, just a bit of your time and expertise to help me out with the lump of rubbish that I call a landcruiser, otherwise the toyo is going to the knackers yard for landcruisers (or land cruiser heaven) either way, as soon as January is out of the way.
and guys please, please don't jump in and say, hey! I can now get hold of Renate's landcruiser. :)
All this is about as bad as it gets for me and the toyo, so please, don't hold back on offers of advice/assistance/, and please, try not to rub salt in the wound, as garage says a new unit would cost about =A31300.
Renate
 
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On 22/12/04 14:29, "Renate Haupt" <[Email address removed]> wrote:
> Gareth et al
> Matt saw the bits as did I. etc
>
>
> Renate. I can=B9t help really from here in London but I will keep my ears to the
> ground as much as possible. It all sounds a bit of a pain to say the least.
>
> jeremy
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Nothing on EBAY at present. Try partfinder etc on the net via google -
to find an axle. Someone on ELCO might have access to a lathe to make
some bushes.
Gareth.
 
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Jeremy
Thanks Jeremy - I hope i'm among friends still, as I badly need them
now. You don't want to hear the rest about that pile of rubbish.
Suffice to say its made me question my entire idea about having a
cruiser now, and even my research imperative in the Libyan Sahara and
Algeria - I can't now reconcile having the toyo any longer, and for me,
this a serious issue - I'm gonna have to get shut of it
Renate
>>> [Email address removed] 12/22/04 02:40pm >>>
On 22/12/04 14:29, "Renate Haupt" <[Email address removed]>
wrote:
Gareth et al
Matt saw the bits as did I. etc
Renate. I can't help really from here in London but I will keep my ears
to the ground as much as possible. It all sounds a bit of a pain to say
the least.
jeremy
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Thanks, I'd be SO lucky to find someone with a lathe....but methinks
this might be an impossibility. The garage said if it were his car then
he'd make some bronze bushes for it, but he won't even entertain the
idea for a client/customers car, I said "why not?" its too fiddly and
there is an element of serious risk if it doesn't fit, or is too tight,
or conversely, too loose.
thanks again Gareth
Renate
>>> [Email address removed] 12/22/04 02:44pm >>>
Nothing on EBAY at present. Try partfinder etc on the net via google -
to find an axle. Someone on ELCO might have access to a lathe to make
some bushes.
Gareth.
 
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OK - but try partfinder - it is a computer link of 300 plus vehicle
breakers in the UK who list their bits on line. Fill in the boxes and
the computer looks for a match. Well worth a go,
Gareth.
 
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Hi,
Is it the axle casing or the half shaft that=92s worn? I'm trying to
remember the innards from last time I had mine apart and I thought the
axle casing had only an oil seal, no bush. Isn't the bronze bushing in
the drive spindle? Maybe I'm remembering wrong ... Either way, there
shouldn't be any contact unless the half shaft / CV fails which is what
I've always assumed the bushing was for.
No disrespect to your mechanic but I'd be very sure before you change an
axle casing, they're about =A3900 trade new plus a great deal of labour.
Best Regards,
Jon.
 
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Jon
I saw the bits on the mechanics table today, the axle I saw its inner bits and all the other bits, the wheels, the CVJs and the drive shafts. They've both become worn, one more than the other, the mechancic said that the bronze bush (which they can't buy from anywhere) inside deep withing the axle had damaged the drive shaft, so the seal had gone, allowing diff fluid into the wheel joint bits and then been lost.
The groove is all around one end and it is a deep groove. Noone seems sure as to how it could have happened but Matt thinks some foreign material had somehow got in and and compounded the damage already happening. I don't see how this could have happened unless the seal had somehow been pulled a way and a foreign body had entered, I thought these units were 'sealed'
Renate
>>> [Email address removed] 12/22/04 03:19pm >>>
Hi,
Is it the axle casing or the half shaft that's worn? I'm trying to
remember the innards from last time I had mine apart and I thought the
axle casing had only an oil seal, no bush. Isn't the bronze bushing in
the drive spindle? Maybe I'm remembering wrong ... Either way, there
shouldn't be any contact unless the half shaft / CV fails which is what
I've always assumed the bushing was for.
No disrespect to your mechanic but I'd be very sure before you change an
axle casing, they're about =A3900 trade new plus a great deal of labour.
Best Regards,
Jon.
 
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Hi,
I've had a better search of my memory, and looked in the EPC for
confirmation. The only bronze bushing I can see or recall is the one in
the back of the drive spindle (or stub axle depending on terminology).
This is available as a separate part, and could be described as being
'deep within the axle'.
Also AFAIK the oil seal would not be interfered with by damage caused by
contact with the bronze bushing. Something doesn't right true here but I
can't work out what it is. I'm just naturally cautious after a Toyota
garage tried to make me have a new axle casing instead of just replacing
the oil seal!
Any chance you could take pictures with a digital camera, tell your
mechanic you need them to get help with finding parts, and post them?
Best Regards,
Jon.
 
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Jon
Its too late to use a digital camera for 'evidence'; the pile of junk will be put back together today and finished tomorrow am before I collect it after paying yet another =A3335 for the garage, just for labour.
The bronze bushes can't be bought from anywhere anymore. He says they can be manufactured, but he won't attempt that because the fine tuning and accuracy is extremely important and he doesn't think it would be worth the time taken to 'manufacture' bronze bushes.
Matt was with me and he knows the technical terminology more than me, so he asked the 'right' questions - no-one gets to pull the wool over his eyes as he is a mechanic himself.
I agree, that there is something amiss somewhere, but I'm no expert so have no idea really what the score is. The 'drive spindle' was never mentioned in the conversation. Matt knows more than me, and you guys know more than him, so I'm in your hands as it were.
Keep your mind ticking over and maybe between us and the group we can thrash something out.
I'm not going to let this go and there is no time limit after tomorrow - I won't be able to access the internet during the holidays, so I just have to wait and do what I can before tomorrow.
Renate
>>> [Email address removed] 12/22/04 03:36pm >>>
Hi,
I've had a better search of my memory, and looked in the EPC for
confirmation. The only bronze bushing I can see or recall is the one in
the back of the drive spindle (or stub axle depending on terminology).
This is available as a separate part, and could be described as being
'deep within the axle'.
Also AFAIK the oil seal would not be interfered with by damage caused by
contact with the bronze bushing. Something doesn't right true here but I
can't work out what it is. I'm just naturally cautious after a Toyota
garage tried to make me have a new axle casing instead of just replacing
the oil seal!
Any chance you could take pictures with a digital camera, tell your
mechanic you need them to get help with finding parts, and post them?
Best Regards,
Jon.
 
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Renate,
If you don't know any one that has a lathe, and you can't buy
these bushes from Toyota, go in to a local machine shop with them and
ask if they can turn you up a couple. This should be no trouble for
them. There should be no way you need to buy an axle, despite Toyota.
The next step has to be ' your synchro has gone sir, you need a new
vehicle'.
Regards, Clive.
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:36:44 -0000, Jon Wildsmith <[Email address removed]> wrote:
 
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Clive
Won't I need to have the original bushes taken out before a lathesman
can make up some more?
This will have to happen in the New Year, sometime in January.
Renate
>>> [Email address removed] 12/22/04 03:48pm >>>
Renate,
If you don't know any one that has a lathe, and you can't buy
these bushes from Toyota, go in to a local machine shop with them and
ask if they can turn you up a couple. This should be no trouble for
them. There should be no way you need to buy an axle, despite Toyota.
The next step has to be ' your synchro has gone sir, you need a new
vehicle'.
Regards, Clive.
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:36:44 -0000, Jon Wildsmith <[Email address removed]>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've had a better search of my memory, and looked in the EPC for
> confirmation. The only bronze bushing I can see or recall is the one
in
> the back of the drive spindle (or stub axle depending on
terminology).
> This is available as a separate part, and could be described as
being
> 'deep within the axle'.
>
> Also AFAIK the oil seal would not be interfered with by damage caused
by
> contact with the bronze bushing. Something doesn't right true here
but I
> can't work out what it is. I'm just naturally cautious after a
Toyota
> garage tried to make me have a new axle casing instead of just
replacing
> the oil seal!
>
> Any chance you could take pictures with a digital camera, tell your
> mechanic you need them to get help with finding parts, and post
them?
>
> Best Regards,
> Jon.
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Renate,
Firstly on the axle side of things - any chance of getting some digital
pictures taken and then send them up to me to take a look?
Secondly, I think that Dave Harris might have some axle bits - I know
he has a couple of axles and is going to be using them at some point,
but may have some spare bits.
With regards the back axle - without the steering elements, this is a
completely different beast and less likely to be suffering the same
problems. I have recently stripped down my ends and replaced the
bearings and seals using a bearing and seal kit from my local supplier
at ?70 for each side - suffice is to say I don't think the bearings
needed replacing and I could have just got away with new seals and a
repack.
The back axle should only take about 4 hours to do if you have the
right kit and have done it before (I have on both counts!) - Go for
replacing the seals first and then once you have them apart and the
bearing need replacing they should only take 24-48hrs to get hold of.
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Mobile: 07971 540362
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1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift, ARB
 
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Renate Haupt wrote:
The bronze bushes can't be bought from anywhere anymore. He says they
It might not be economic to remanufacture them but it will be possible.
Just depends if you can find the right shop that understands what they
are doing. I thought someone on here said they had them listed in a
parts book?
There are mechanics and mechanics. Some just fit parts and don't know
much while some are highly skilled and more like professional engineers.
The latter are normally found in specialist race shops though.
If you can do without it for a while and can hunt round I'm sure you'll
find either parts in a breakers or someone who can supply them.
Ian.
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Ian
I can't do without the car at the moment because a family member is
very ill and the cost of the train compared to going by car to my
brothers is more.
The car will be put together tomorrow for me to collect, then its going
to have to wait til January or Feb because this is how long it will take
to get another axle or the bushes, and the front drive shafts. And if
they cannot be sourced, then the car is going to be sold.
If and when the bushes are removed from the car they will be shot up
and I don't think they could be remanufactured.
this is not a problem in itself, however I don't know what kind of shop
would either remanufacturer or 'manufacture' bushes like these since I
don't even know what type they will be or how they look like, or works
premises that would do this for me.
I'm already hunting around and I appreciate your input but I am having
difficulty seeing a way through this at the moment, you are probably
already aware of this, I wouldn't expect you not to be.
I've already contacted a couple of care breakers but they don't have
the parts I need
Renate
>>> [Email address removed] 12/22/04 04:35pm >>>
Renate Haupt wrote:
> Jon
The bronze bushes can't be bought from anywhere anymore. He says
they
> can be manufactured, but he won't attempt that because the fine
tuning
> and accuracy is extremely important and he doesn't think it would be
> worth the time taken to 'manufacture' bronze bushes.
It might not be economic to remanufacture them but it will be possible.
Just depends if you can find the right shop that understands what they
are doing. I thought someone on here said they had them listed in a
parts book?
There are mechanics and mechanics. Some just fit parts and don't know
much while some are highly skilled and more like professional
engineers.
The latter are normally found in specialist race shops though.
If you can do without it for a while and can hunt round I'm sure you'll
find either parts in a breakers or someone who can supply them.
Ian.
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:10:23 +0000, Renate Haupt
<[Email address removed]> wrote:
Renate,
First thing tomorrow moring, please ring Maarten Verschure at AAI. If
he gets from you a reasonably good description of the problem, he
should be able to ofer you some options. His phone number is +31 416
540167, email: [Email address removed]
BTW, I am curious where this bronze bushing is. Do yo mean BUSH (FOR
STEERING KNUCKLE) (part # 90381-33002 for MY 01/1990 - 07/1991 or
part # for MY 90381-33001 for MY 07/1991 - 01/1998)? It's in the
knuckle spindle.
If that's he case it doesn't seem to have much to do with separating
oil from grease - have a look at this parts diagram. The book doesn't
show any other bushings on the front drive shafts. Check here:
http://www.japancats.ru/toyota/image.asp?unit=1&imname=T02140CE.gif .
It's marked as 43211R
Isn't the problem caused by oil leaking past the oil seal because of
the drive shaft surface is corroded near the globe (like in this
picture http://www.elcats.ru/picture.asp?pid=95057AD6 )?
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Hi Guys
I really feel for poor Renate and wish there was some thing I could do but
like her I am at the mercy of the Garage that I bring my cruiser to. Its
great that she feels that she can seek advice from you lot who know your
stuff and I will pray that she gets over this ordeal.
With this in mind and the fact that there could be some issue inrelation to
what is actually wrong with her cruiser and what she is being told is wrong
with it. IS THERE ANY PROGRAM, FILES,.DISK WHERE IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE THE
SAME INFORMATION AS THE TOYOTA GARAGE.
I know when I go to my second home the toyota garage and need a part or just
want to check something, the guy there can bring up on his pc the cruiser
and every little detail about what I want or need, down to a little nut and
washer with all the part numbers aswell. Now before you lot start slaging me
for the obvious, I know they are the main dealers and so on and need this
information to run their bussiness. But if they can have a pc program for
their cruisers why cant we, after all it is just that, a computer file, on
disk. So with that said there must be a way some how to obtain this disks of
files for our use.
Any one any ideas on how to do this.
I would be willing to pay some thing towards the cost of getting this info
depending on the cost of course.
Or maybe their is a site or sites that have the information already there.
It just seems mad in this day that we can not have a system on our PCs that
we can refere to.
Johnc
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Hi John,
What you are referring to is the Electronic Parts Catalog (EPC) -
essentially this is what the dealers use and covers every Toyota model.
There are 'interesting' copies available on eBay for around ?5 +p&p -
just search your local eBay for 'toyota epc land cruiser' in the titles
and descriptions - this should bring something up.
You will note that there are CDs covering European and Japanese models
- I actually went for a set of both (about 7 CDs) just in case I had an
import.
Unfortunately my broadband is down, otherwise I would have happily put
a copy of them on the site for you to download (assuming that you have
broadband as well), but will have to wait until some time in the new
year now.
As for the electronic manuals, don't touch them - most are pretty
pathetic and I don't think there were ever any official Toyota ones.
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Hi Julian
That would be great and thanks, I do have broad band
John c
92HDJ 80 1HD-T Auto Ireland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julian Voelcker" <[Email address removed]>
To: <[Email address removed]>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 10:37 AM
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John,
Look at http://www.gclcny.com/tech_help.html look down the list of links
and you'll see 3 EPC zips and an FAQ to download. Might be what you're
after.
Best Regards,
Jon.
93&94 HDJ80
West Midlands.
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]]
On Behalf Of john byrne
Sent: 23 December 2004 11:38
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: Re: [ELCO] matts balanced judgement and my continued
unhappiness
Hi Julian
That would be great and thanks, I do have broad band
John c
92HDJ 80 1HD-T Auto Ireland
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