Bad form I though you clubbies were a team all mates, all for one and one for all not a secret underground movement. A breach of that trust what's that about? all I though I was asking was a little knowledge and guidance from people who owned and drove a car. If the cost of help is a favor owed and called in on the dark side of a club what else are you hiding from the "public domain" I don't trust or want to get into involved in a "club" that try's and does have secretes. Its just a car that you can work, mess about and enjoy...so on that front I'm out.