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JB wrote...
Late last night I went to a supermarket car park to test the full lock
noise. I turned full lock in both directions a few times untill I decided I
had better get out of here before someone calls the security. Anyway not a
noise from either side , none at all , not even a little teeny weeny noise.
SNIP
Hey JB, please tell me I have misread this. You really didn't go and turn
ever decreasing circles on hard tarmac in full 4WD did you ?
Cheers
Jon
'92 HZJ80 ex UN surplus from Bosnia. - Horrified that my eyesight must be
so bad now ;o)
 
Hi Jon-c-w
No No I did what is normal in high ratio like turning tight corners on a
road while driving. Just this time I was in a quite car park so I could hear
or not hear the noise that I do not have. Sure its in full wheel drive all
the time isn't it. This is Ok is it not.
The noise is back but its not on full lock as I first thought but only on a
slight turn to the left and does not happen on the right.
So it has to be some thing that just moves a bit when turning , what about
those bars just under the rad with bushings on them. Sorry I dont know what
they are called so please tell me. That reminds me when I look at parts
lists from say the like of Milner for the Cruiser all the names and no
pictures to say where the items are or what they do is a pain in the arse.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
SNIP
 
JB wrote...
No No I did what is normal in high ratio like turning tight corners on a
road while driving. Just this time I was in a quite car park so I could hear
or not hear the noise that I do not have. Sure its in full wheel drive all
the time isn't it. This is Ok is it not.
SNIP
Sorry if I got this wrong JB, as it was a thread between you and Julian. I
don't have 'full-time 4WD' so am probably talking out of my wotsit. But
'full-time' means that it can be - if there is demand only, through
usually it drives you along via the rear axle only.
So if you wanted to try the birfields to see if they are on the way out -
remembering they are the driveline to the front wheels, then they have to
be turning on demand - as in the wheels are slipping, drive to front axle
engages, then birfields turn. If they don't turn under load then you won't
hear them click, they will be quiet, its loading them that makes them
click. Therefore you have to go onto at least some wet grass or better,
mud, to hear them clicking as they are turning to drive the front wheels.
If the car park is not covered in ice or snow I can't see that it would
have called on the transmission to turn the front wheels via the birfield
and bring out any noise that may be there.
As for those two front tubes, I think Julian explained what they are
before. One is the track rod, which should not push up and down and should
not push sideways (towards each wheel) if it does then you have kanackered
ball joints at the ends, but it will normally twist about say 90 degrees if
you grab it and twist with your hand. That should be easy to do. The other
tube - I think you are referring to - is the steering damper, it looks like
a shock absorber laying sideways and one end is anchored to the track tod,
the other being anchored to the chassis. This just smoothes-out the
steering 'feel', and the best way to check if it has gone is first see if
its leaking oil, and second, if you get some shimmy on your steering just
as you are going along as normal. If it shimmies under braking then that
may not necessarily mean that it has failed, it could easily be a brake
disc problem. Does that help or am I way off-beam ?
Cheers
Jon
Grand Union Canal
'92 HZJ80 ex UN surplus from Bosnia
 
Hey Jon-c-w
Thanks for your imput again. Im going to stick my neck out here but I
thought that the 80s have four wheels being powered all the time together. I
also thought that all the wheels are driving it all the time. So are my
birfields not being used unless I put a load on them on a slippery surface.
Now I am confused, just when I thought I was getting to know things. Track
rod Ok got that. what is it for. This all came about when under the cruiser
the other day and I grabbed hold of this track rod thing and it moved and I
thought geese can this be Ok. It did move about the 90 degrees or even less,
so I guess its Ok. The other bar or tube has no oil coming out of it so its
Ok. Now im feeling OK.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
 
On 9/21/05, John Byrne <[Email address removed]> wrote:
John,
To make it less complicated, your full-time 4WD is actually a two
wheel drive. Jon's part-time 4WD is either a one or two wheel drive.
Why's that? Ask the marketing people.
All four wheels are driven ONLY if the centre diff lock and both axle
diff locks are engaged.
--
Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
Hi Roman
So are you telling me that my full time four wheel drive is actually only a
two wheel drive.
So its just like a car unless I lock all the diffs and put it in low ratio
gear. So if I am off road and do not have it with all the diffs locked it is
really only like a very very very heavy car.
Ok so now ill bet its a front wheel drive vehicle am i right.
Are some of these cruisers not sold without diff locks to start with, which
would mean they are usless off road untill the owner puts diff locks in. I
thought there was discussion on some forums over time about this, maybe im
wrong. I still cant believe that I only have two wheels on the same axle
driving the cruiser. Why the hell is it called a FULL TIME four wheel drive
then. So its like all the other 4x4s out there, I cant believe this.
So when I was on the off road course a while back and was unsure if my
diffs engaged, because of the flashing lights on the dash.
In actually fact if they did not engage then I may aswell have been driving
a mondeo or mini up those muddy slopes.
John Confused
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
 
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Hi Guys
Ok so is my 4 wheel drive really a two wheel drive really really. So now Im
drivng a heavy, high.and wide 2 wheel drive mondeo great. Which wheels drive
the cruiser or should I say which axle, front or back.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
 
John, carefully re - read Julians link. You are driving a full time 4 wheel drive vehicle, all your wheels are powered - all the time. The only time any of the wheels loose traction is when they spin, - as explained in the article.
If you apply the Mondeo theory to its natural conclusion - i.e. any two wheel drive is in fact a one wheel drive vehicle - you can see that this is nonsense. I think that a somewhat pedantic definition of 4wd was given earlier which has confused some people.
There is no need to sell the cruiser and purchase a uni-cycle - which is a true - all wheel drive vehicle in all instances - no fuel costs though !
Gareth Jones.
 
Hey Gareth
Are there people out there trying to mess with my head this early in the
morning. Roman said you only have power to all four wheels when all diffs
are locked and other wise its only in two wheel drive. Now im being told
its always in four wheel drive. No wonder I get a wee bit confussed at
times.
John C
92HDj 80 1HDt ireland
SNIP
John, carefully re - read Julians link. You are driving a full time 4 wheel
drive vehicle, all your wheels are powered - all the time. The only time any
of the wheels loose traction is when they spin, - as explained in the
article.
 
It's permanent 4 wheel drive John, so you can stop worrying now! ;-)
Pete
John Byrne wrote:
 
John,
Even if the article mentioned by Julian does not explain everyting in
sufficient detail to bring you out of that meditative state of
confusion, there's no need to worry as long as you LC keeps moving.
Just remember:
- no wheel spin - enjoy your ride!
- one wheel spin - lock centre diff and stll no problem!
- two wheel spin (one on each axle) - lock centre diff and rear diff!
- three wheel spin with centre diff and rear diff locked - lock front
diff and bob's your uncle!
- four wheel spin - stop spinning those wheels because you're digging
yourself into a grave!
Caveat - the above is true provided you've stopped spinnng those
wheels early enough and BEFORE your LC is grounded on the chassis!
--
Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
On 9/22/05, John Byrne <[Email address removed]> wrote:
 
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