Overland Weight Test

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Alright Guys.

Stocking up on fuel for the winter at the weekend and so found the
furthest, most remote stockist (Kerry Bio fuels) and used it as an
opportunity to clock up a few hundred K's with 600KG's of wood pellets
in the back of the cruiser.

I reckoned it would be about equivalent to expedition weight and filled
up Auxiliary fuel tank for good measure. With 2 sets of windsurf gear on
top I had approx 900KG of load over and above the normal kerb weight.

Was very interesting to feel the difference to the handling on various
roads and I spent a fair bit of time up tough mountains in Kerry - off
and on road and generally giving it a bit of wellie. Also had it down
Bandon Beach which is a 6KM stretch of sandy beach.

Drive home was 3 hrs in torrential rain at night on bad roads.

Currently running a 2" lift with Pro-comp springs and some "Aussie" type
of springs.

Performed as follows:

- On road: steep inclines: Very light steering. Had to give her plenty
of wellie to drive on but did OK.

- On road: steep declines: Not so bad but used the gears to assist.
Slippy in the wet.

- Off road: steep rocky inclines - performed OK got where I wanted to go
but bottomed out on big bumps - as you'd expect. Took it very slowly.

- Off road: steep rocky declines - slowly slowly, bit of bumping didn't
test it too hard.

- Sand - Developed a kind of rolling wobble at about 70k/hr. Slowed
considerably on the soft stuff. Stop start in the soft OK. Lots of
clunking coming from the CV's when turning sharply - need to get to work
on these soon. Couldn't get it stuck despite best efforts.

- Sand: Crossing sections where a river enters the sea - ie banks in
excess of 8" - like hitting a concrete block on front wheels, back
suspension bottoms out very badly. Repeated at various speeds - no
improvement unless crawling. Wood pellets all over the place :)

-Fuel consumption: Lots

Overall conclusion:

- Didn't really test it hard enough to simulate African conditions.
More testing required :)

- Wait until the vehicle is fully prepped and fully loaded before
getting front and rear axels weighed - only then go about pimping up the
suspension in line with actual weights.

- She's too heavy with 8 or 900kg's on board - Get the weight down if
possible.


Have estimated my additional weight as follows:

180KG =3D 170 ltr fuel + tank
40KG =3D 2 Jerry cans
75KG =3D 50ltrs water + 25 KG emergency
25KG =3D Spare steel wheel & tyre + 1 over original spare
45 LTR - Full fridge Fridge
80KG - ARB bumper + winch
150KG - Roof Tent
15KG - roof rack
25KG - gas fuel+ cooking stuff
50KG - Recovery gear Incl High lift jack
20KG - spares
100KG - personal kit incl First Aid Kit
25KG - Slab of beer
3KG - Bottles of whiskey
1KG - Bottle of Poitin
15KG - shelving system and drawers
6 kg - Gunsafe (for documents)
60KG - Windsurfing gear


Total =3D circa 900KG over curb weight of a cruiser

Thats quite a shock really. Kerb weight is say 2300KG + 900 =3D 3200. Say
40% over Kerb weight.

Might have been a bit heavy on some of the estimates but its there or
there abouts. So the weight test at the weekend was on par with
estimated expedition weight.


Question is: how much weight can these machines take and what are the
limits of springs and shocks to counter act it.

Spring bags are beginning to sound like an option...

Apart from going on a calorie controlled diet - any thoughts or
comments....

Cheers

Niall -
HDJ80 - 3.2Tonne (excluding driver)
 
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Hi Niall,
Just scanning over those figures, I would be surprised if your tent was
150kg - normally they average less than half that.
Diesel is around 0.85kg per litre
Water is around 1kp per litre
I don't know about the Procomp setup, but OME rates their springs and
shocks on loading - see http://www.landcruisers.info/ome.html.
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Julian Voelcker
07971 540 362
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Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Hi Niall,
Just scanning over those figures, I would be surprised if your tent was
150kg - normally they average less than half that.
Diesel is around 0.85kg per litre
Water is around 1kp per litre
I don't know about the Procomp setup, but OME rates their springs and
shocks on loading - see http://www.landcruisers.info/ome.html.
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Julian Voelcker
07971 540 362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Unless I miss my guess, you are over the Maximum vehicle weight with that load.
Regards,
Clive Marks
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Julian / Jon
Your right. Root tents typically weigh 55KG - not 150KG
That and the specific gravity of fuel will throw the estimate down to
700kg + probably 100kg heavy on the estimate will take it down to 600KG
+ knock another 50kg off other stuff.
Can't see it dropping below 500kg + passengers
Will be keeping tally on a spreadsheet.
Cheers
Niall
 
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According to the data I have:
Kerb Weight (kg) 2510-2550kg
Gross Vehicle Mass (kg) 3260kg
Maximum roof load (kg -Includes roof rack weight) 200kg
Pete
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Alright Clive
Whats the MVW of an 80 - do you know?
Niall
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ISTR that the kerb weight is with 1/2 a tank (standard tank) of fuel, driver
and no luggage so the max load, including roof load and extra fuel is about
700Kg. Allowing for additional fuel that leaves about 600 Kg for all luggage
and passengers.
Pete
 
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Thanks for that info Pete
Going to get the weight down as much as possible - don't want to be
chugging along in a saggy arsed landcruiser :)
Better to have a bit of pep in the step!
Niall
 
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The weight that I have from Toyota for mine is 3060K.
Regards,
Clive Marks
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| Whats the MVW of an 80 - do you know?
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| Niall
I posted the technical section of my handbook online at
http://www.lc80.freeola.net/
Surprisingly useful info, which includes the GMV figure of 3060kg, and
also max front/rear axle capacity. The plate in my engine compartment
- you might have one - gives the same info.
I find mine (standard suspension) quite challenging to drive well on a
windy road when all 8 seats are occupied, so your test drive at 3.2 tons
must have been interesting!
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hi all,
after 3 years on safari in africa we=92re back...have recently been buying and
selling 4x4s in east africa but really only making pocket money, so it=92s
going to take a while before i can afford another 4x4 (left my 4runner
parked up at the meikles` hotel in harare and plan to rent it out) but am
planning to buy an 80 next time (trans-africa penciled in for late
2009/early 2010).
will be looking at a jap import, perhaps lc gx or vx, do they have the same
models over here? and what is the current tax situation on these vehicles?
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Hi Jeremy,
Over here we have the manual and auto 80s from 1990-1995 using the 12 valve
1HD-T engine, then when the 24 valve 1HD-FT was intreoduced (1995-1998) the
automatic was dropped due to emissions issues.
However in Japan they did get a 24valve auto, so any autos aged 1995-1998
will be Jap impports.
Don't bother thinking about importing one yourself, there are already plenty
over here and it will be much cheaper buying one already here - just keep an
eye on http://www.autotrader.co.uk for an idea of the prices - do a national
search on Toyota Landcruiser with 4.2 as the key word.
A couple of words of warning with the imports. Firstly, unlike the UK models
they are unlikely to have the 3rd row of seats although this may not be a
requirement for you.
Secondly, they are unlikely to have front and rear diff locks and fitting 3rd
party ones like the ARB Air Lockers can be pricey (around ?700 pper axle).
If you prefer manuals, your best option is to go for a 1995-1998 UK model GX
- this has some of the electronic luxury extras that the VX has, but is more
basic trim - also being a more utilitarian GX the prices tend to be lower.
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Julian Voelcker
07971 540 362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Hi Jeremy,
Over here we have the manual and auto 80s from 1990-1995 using the 12 valve
1HD-T engine, then when the 24 valve 1HD-FT was intreoduced (1995-1998) the
automatic was dropped due to emissions issues.
However in Japan they did get a 24valve auto, so any autos aged 1995-1998
will be Jap impports.
Don't bother thinking about importing one yourself, there are already plenty
over here and it will be much cheaper buying one already here - just keep an
eye on http://www.autotrader.co.uk for an idea of the prices - do a national
search on Toyota Landcruiser with 4.2 as the key word.
A couple of words of warning with the imports. Firstly, unlike the UK models
they are unlikely to have the 3rd row of seats although this may not be a
requirement for you.
Secondly, they are unlikely to have front and rear diff locks and fitting 3rd
party ones like the ARB Air Lockers can be pricey (around ?700 pper axle).
If you prefer manuals, your best option is to go for a 1995-1998 UK model GX
- this has some of the electronic luxury extras that the VX has, but is more
basic trim - also being a more utilitarian GX the prices tend to be lower.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
07971 540 362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Jeremy
Re> And what is the current tax situation on these vehicles?
You will have to pay VAT + customs duty. You may be able to avoid the
duty if you rip out the back seats and belts and class as commercial
vehicle - that's what we do in Ireland. If you have a company - then you
may be able to write off the VAT.
Unless you can avoid the duty and VAT, Julian is correct - you won't
save much sourcing one direct from Japan
Cheers
Niall
PS - have looked over your website previously - good info there - thanks
 
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Hello Niall,
The tank is well over 15kg.
You will find it, well, excessive. I suppose it's not due to one huge
gas canister and a giant paella pan :)
That's more like 35-40 kg. You don't use steel line, do you?
Going down from Sahel, you can buy beer it in almost every town and
there are very few countries where getting beer is a problem.
Will it still float?
I thought all the stuff listed here is personal stuff :) How many
more essentials would you need?
IMHO, if you want to be absolutely safe and have the time to play, one
way to go is:
- (1) estimate normal load (things that will be always there)
- (2) estimate variable load (fuel, water, food, drinks, ect)
- (3) load the vehicle with concrete slabs equivalent in weight to (1)
above and uprate the springs if necessary
- add more slabs equivalent in weight to (2) above and fit airlift
bags if necessary.
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Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80 (auto)
 
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Roman,
That's more like 35-40 kg. You don't use steel line, do you?
Are you sure? My winch bumper alone weighs 50K, this is with a winch.
Regards,
Clive Marks
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Mobile: +44 7821 491897
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Clive,
I am not sure 100% but as I have a TJM bumper (it's like ARB, isn't
it?), I have taken it off and put it back a dozen times all by myself,
and I am not a workout freak, I assumed it can't be that heavy,
especially that a plasma rope weighs a fraction of a steel one. My MM
winch itself is ca 40kg.
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Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80 (auto)
On 9/25/07, Clive Marks <[Email address removed]> wrote:
 
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Man Roman
Good feedback there cheers -
Will ditch a gerry can before the Long Range Beer Stash though - no
matter how many breweries I visit along the way - even have a pelican
case for it :)
Reality is the weight will come down substantially from original
estimate.
Definetly going to estimate weight correctly and experiment more with
the different projected loads - see if spring bags are necessary.
Cheers
Niall
PS - Yes have steel cable on the winch :-/
 
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RE > I posted the technical section of my handbook online at
http://www.lc80.freeola.net/
Cheers for that
RE > test drive at 3.2 tons must have been interesting!
The extra weight makes some difference alright. When I was in the big
dunes in Jeggaga, Morocco I was able to ditch all weight at camp before
letting it loose in the dunes.
Would be a totally different story with a lot of weight on board. In
fact I doubt I'd have got through a lot of it unscaved.
When I hit the road in April I'll be carrying bear minimum for sure.
Thanks
Niall
 
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