spots

[Guest]

Hi John/Clive,
Twin bulb spots are available, I have recently acquired a pair if Cibie
Bi-Oscars on eBay that have two bulbs in each lamp, switched separately,
with a lens that has a clear section at the bottom for the spot beam and a
fluted section at the top for the driving lamp beam. I haven't fitted them
yet so I can't say what they perform like. I have got on order a set of
four 130w H2 bulbs to go in them, that should blister the paint on any Range
Rover that dares get in my way.
TTFN
Chas
London UK '94 1HDT 80 Auto, 110000 miles, Safari snorkel, Custom Winch
bumper + winch, and Rear bumper with spare wheel carrier
+ Ray Dadd Rocksliders
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John
Spots are for teenagers...
Seriously, You've already had good advice. I've got a pair of IPF lights
which are robust and bright but there aplenty of others around. Lightforce
are good and probably makes like Hella too. Chas' lights sound good...
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John
Hella Rally 3000 have the high and low, but the low dosen't make much
difference. You can get a wide beam or a long distance spot. I have a
set on the bumper and they're good but square ones might go better with
the lines of the cruiser. Have 4 cheapies on a roof bar but they're
useless and very hard on the juice.
Maynooth motor factors were doing a pair of Hella 3000's for 50
euro's...
You can upgrade the base cruiser lights, either with HID or xenon don't
know how but from what I've seen it involves some kind of a transformer
box - way above my DIY know how anyway.
The Xenon are the best lights but for the big truck Hella ones you're
looking at about 400 sterling each and they're the size of a small TV
Eitherway - nice to have a set of something as the nights close in
Safe driving
Cheers
Niall

 

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Morning John,
Firstly, we all know that the 80s lights are a little bit dim due to
voltage loss in the wiring loom. With the twin headllights in the 80s
the low beam is appalling where as the high beam is passable, but for
most people it is the low beam that is the most critical - being able
to see the road when driving in traffic.
Fitting a set of spots is fine for high beam, but cannot be used on low
beam so I suggest it is not the best place to be trowing your money.
If you have money burning a hole in your pockets and you want to
improve the lighting on your 80 you should consider the following
route....
Firstly Go to your local motor factors and buy the best bulbs you can
afford and legaly fit in your headlights. Re fitting - it is much
quicker and easier to remove the batteries from the car first - it
gives you a lot more room.
Secondly, consider getting the wiring harness upgraded. Frogs do a kit
for around ?120 that pplugs straight in, however look for a local Auto
Electrician and ask him to quote you for doing it - all you need is
some wire, relays, etc which doesn't cost much. Basically the lights
need to be wired to the aux battery via the relays.
Thirdly, consider a HID upgrade - these use Xenon bulbs that require a
Ballast circuit for each element. Again Frogs do a kit for just over
?150 - I have one here to fit for Peter - I should be able to report
back on them in the next few days. The kit only replaces the bulbs in
the high/low headlight on the outside of the pair so you may also want
to do the headlight wiring upgrade for the main beams in the middle.
I would suggest doing 1 above and then either 2 or 3 above. Once you
have done these and are still not happy with the lighting, then start
thinking about getting some spots.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
07971 540 362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift

 

[Guest]

Morning John,
Firstly, we all know that the 80s lights are a little bit dim due to
voltage loss in the wiring loom. With the twin headllights in the 80s
the low beam is appalling where as the high beam is passable, but for
most people it is the low beam that is the most critical - being able
to see the road when driving in traffic.
Fitting a set of spots is fine for high beam, but cannot be used on low
beam so I suggest it is not the best place to be trowing your money.
If you have money burning a hole in your pockets and you want to
improve the lighting on your 80 you should consider the following
route....
Firstly Go to your local motor factors and buy the best bulbs you can
afford and legaly fit in your headlights. Re fitting - it is much
quicker and easier to remove the batteries from the car first - it
gives you a lot more room.
Secondly, consider getting the wiring harness upgraded. Frogs do a kit
for around ?120 that pplugs straight in, however look for a local Auto
Electrician and ask him to quote you for doing it - all you need is
some wire, relays, etc which doesn't cost much. Basically the lights
need to be wired to the aux battery via the relays.
Thirdly, consider a HID upgrade - these use Xenon bulbs that require a
Ballast circuit for each element. Again Frogs do a kit for just over
?150 - I have one here to fit for Peter - I should be able to report
back on them in the next few days. The kit only replaces the bulbs in
the high/low headlight on the outside of the pair so you may also want
to do the headlight wiring upgrade for the main beams in the middle.
I would suggest doing 1 above and then either 2 or 3 above. Once you
have done these and are still not happy with the lighting, then start
thinking about getting some spots.
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
07971 540 362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift

 

[Guest]

Julian,
How much improvement (in %) can be expected from HID high beam hid
lamps? I am wondering if there are different types of bulbs available
for it, like the GY6.35 Bipin type?
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80 (auto)
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[Guest]

Roman & Julian
| How much improvement (in %) can be expected from HID high beam hid
| lamps? I am wondering if there are different types of bulbs available
| for it, like the GY6.35 Bipin type?
I'm very interested too. Normal HID bulbs draw 35w, and are quoted as being equivalent to 150w halogen, but I've found some - supposedly - road-legal 50w ones (no halogen equivalent quoted). You can get H1 and H4, and a few other types. I don't know about GY6.35.
I think it would be fascinating to fit HID to one side, leaving the other halogen, and viewing the difference both subjectively and with a lightmeter at night.
There's also the H4 twin beam issue: some cheaper kits (around =A3150) provide low-beam, but either don't provide a high beam (MoT failure) or have a halogen filament glued onto the HID bulb. Yuk!
The more expensive ones (around =A3300) seem to have a solenoid in the base which pulls the whole capsule physically in/out to relocate the arc to the correct position for the relevant beam. I haven't seen a genuine (fixed) twin-arc capsule to provide genuine H4 dip + main replacement.
It's the main/dip issue - and the cost - that has stopped me from fitting them, so I'd be fascinated to see how your fitment for Peter gets on.
Currently I'm running 130w/100w H4 for the outer lights, with a heavily upgraded wiring harness. Dipped beam is still only "adequate", about 80% as good as my wife's Zafira with ordinary bulbs, hence the interest in HID.
I'd also agree with Julian: "bluer" bulbs are ridiculous! The human eye is considerably less sensitive at the blue end of the spectrum, so increasing the colour temperature of the bulbs actually reduces what you can see from the light they cast. If I *do* go HID I will choose the lowest colour temperature bulbs I can get.
Christopher Bell
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[Guest]

Hi Roman,
I'm really not sure - if you do a google search you will see all sorts
of claims.
What I plan to do is to get them fitted to Peter's truck and then do
comparisons between them and my stock lights - we have a long drive
that provides and ideal test area - I'll pst to the list when I have
done it.
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
07971 540 362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift

 

[Guest]

Hi Christopher,
The kit from Frogs is twin H4 so we have two balasts per bulb for the
high and low beams.
The other interesting thing is how the bulbs work in the reflectors.
There are some great tech articles at
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/tech.html covering bulb sizes,
etc.
I'm intrigued to know who their supplier is because they are very cheap
compared to other kits.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
07971 540 362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift

 

[Guest]

Hi Christopher,
The kit from Frogs is twin H4 so we have two balasts per bulb for the
high and low beams.
The other interesting thing is how the bulbs work in the reflectors.
There are some great tech articles at
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/tech.html covering bulb sizes,
etc.
I'm intrigued to know who their supplier is because they are very cheap
compared to other kits.
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
07971 540 362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift

 

[Guest]

Hi Roman,
I'm really not sure - if you do a google search you will see all sorts
of claims.
What I plan to do is to get them fitted to Peter's truck and then do
comparisons between them and my stock lights - we have a long drive
that provides and ideal test area - I'll pst to the list when I have
done it.
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
07971 540 362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift

 

[Guest]

Julian
| The kit from Frogs is twin H4 so we have two balasts per bulb for the
| high and low beams.
I'm really really interested if that is the case. I've just had a quick
look on their website and can't find them - do you have a URL? And
please post the outcome when you've fitted them.
CB
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Hi Christopher,
I don't think they are on there, although it is pretty difficult to
find anything specific on the site.
Definitely.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
07971 540 362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift

 

[Guest]

Hi Christopher,
I don't think they are on there, although it is pretty difficult to
find anything specific on the site.
Definitely.
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
07971 540 362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift

 

[Guest]

Hi Guys
Thanks for the info.
To upgrade the wiring harness, are you talking about installing heavier
wire.
If I was to think about the HID option does it have to be a kit.
Do I remember correctly that the higher the wattage bulb the sooner it burns
out.
The aux battery is the passenger side one ? and is it not just a case of
replacing the toy wires.
cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT

 

[Guest]

Hi Guys
I have been drving myself mad looking at spots and bulbs and HID kits.
I now know so much more than when I started ( I wish) more confused comes to mind.
I know there are HID kits, if I bought one would I still need to upgrade the wiring loom.
There are so many kits available and all at so many different prices, does cheap mean crap and expensive mean good.
Its also possible to get HID spots what do you think about these.
Are the LED spots any good, there are quite small.
Items 270177982234, 290175139889, 150176562970, 110184911610 are all kits but which is better and why.
cheers
john 92 HDJ 80 1HDT

 

[Guest]

John,
In my opinion you will be wasting your money on HID kits, unless
you want to start drying paint with your lights, or have to have the
latest. When you have Four lights do you need Four HID's, or two kits?
I don't know.
There is no legal limit to the wattage of bulb you can use in
your standard lights. You can upgrade your loom and run 100 Watt
bulbs. The only parts that need upgrading are the wires from the
relays to the lights, that is only Four wires and the earths for them.
I am not sure about the current capacity of the Toy. relays but you
may have to increase it, new relays are a few pounds each. The rest of
the circuit is still low power so can be left alone. The Fuses are 15A
and there is one for each light so you are OK there.
Thinking about what I have just written, if the fuses are 15A
then the cable has to be capable of taking 15A. A 100 Watt bulb only
runs at 8.5A so you could just change the bulbs.
This has to be worth trying before you waste hundreds on a kit.
Regards,
Clive Marks
Home: +44 1293 514600
Mobile: +44 7821 491897
Crawley, West Sussex, UK.

 

[Guest]

Hello then John I think the LED are the future, we can skip the xenon
and go strait to the LED. Some major companie OK well it's Audi, just
put LED headlights on it's new super car. I see one hear in France on
the road just another day ago and those light jump out and hit your
eye so much in day hours. But of course they are for using in day so
they suppose to hit your eye, the lights for night do not hit your eye
they suppose to hit the road for you eye to see better. Oh they use
allmost no electricit=E9!
But please do not you go put in them 100watt regulare halogene light
and you go burn up your origine relais fast. They only support 55watt
belief me on that I know the bad experient two times.
Now I lurk and wait for LED light to puts on my 80 like you, but price
must fall some bit more. May be I put them on the roof.
2007/10/28, john byrne <[Email address removed]>:
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[Guest]

I have 2 pairs of HID spots bought for about =A3300- they are almost
indestructible having come from Russian tanks (seriously)

Both the lamp housing and the little magic box are IP56 rated and run
fully submersed with no problems.

There is a video somewhere of someone shooting a shotgun at the lights
and not shattering the lenses.

The chap I bought them from, who I know quite well, may have some left
if you fancy- his website is http://www.flyingspanners.net/

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From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]]
On Behalf Of john byrne
Sent: 28 October 2007 17:40
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: [ELCO] spots

Hi Guys
I have been drving myself mad looking at spots and bulbs and HID kits.
I now know so much more than when I started ( I wish) more confused
comes to mind.
I know there are HID kits, if I bought one would I still need to
upgrade the wiring loom.
There are so many kits available and all at so many different prices,
does cheap mean crap and expensive mean good.
Its also possible to get HID spots what do you think about these.
Are the LED spots any good, there are quite small.
Items 270177982234, 290175139889, 150176562970, 110184911610 are all
kits but which is better and why.
cheers
john 92 HDJ 80 1HDT

 

[Guest]

spots/Bulbs

Hi John,
Having done a lot of night driving on unlit roads over the past week I too
realised how poor the driving/low beam lights are. I have just today fitted
Halfords Super Brilliance 55w H4 Bulbs, which they say give "up to 50% more
light" . I tested them tonight on dark unlit roads and can tell you that
there is a significant improvement over my old lights and have effectively
solved the issue for me. If it is the low beam lights you are concerned
with - then these brighter bulbs should negate the need for expensive
upgrade kits. There are even better ones available here
http://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk/product.php?productid=16781&cat=255&page=1
also check the TLOCUK forum posts for more info.
cheers
Marko