goodoldboy
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Try as i might i can?t imagine Gove or Johnson rocking a loincloth , spear in hand leading a hunting party 
You might be willing to follow a leader but i'm not.
A bunch of outlaws , as much as i can admire their actions against authority, had no political agenda & were not trying to shape some form of democracy.Overthrowing the establishment isn't a fantasy , it's a constant struggle & yes plenty of attempts end in failure within some cases authoritarian Left forces taking power.Our mostly comfortable life in developed countries has made some of us forget the battles fought to give us the few right that we have.
So Brexit will bring accountability ? what will that look like ? In the worst health crisis in history the UK government failed spectacularly , causing the avoidable deaths of 10s of thousands of people whilst basically using the pandemic as an excuse to loot public money .
And so to Trump and the USA.
In what was probably the most scrutinised elections in history no more than a handful of people have been charged in the entire country.Despite millions of dollars spent , teams of lawyers , and constant propagation of conspiracy theories nothing even approaching evidence has been found - nada , ni un pelín. The claim that the CIA loaded false data onto Italian military satellites has been described as pure insanity.The pro Trump camp is increasingly looking like a classic cult , as those who voted for him for the most pragmatic reason - lower taxes - drift away only the true believers are left & to keep them on board increasingly fantastic claims are needed.
Alongside all this is some seriously worrying trends.As a country founded on genocide , ethnic cleansing and slavery non white people have had little legitimacy in the so called democratic arena - large parts of the country had de facto apartheid until the 1960s - and voter suppression started during the post civil war reconstruction .The idea that organised fraud in urban areas is rife is a way of de legitimising the black vote & legislation now proposed will make it harder to vote for mostly poorer people.Racism has always been a part of republican and to some extent democrat politicians but now the Trump faction has forged solid links with the far right & outright nazis. Openly saying that they don't accept the legitimacy of the electoral system means that a dictatorship is on the cards.
As for Bidens spending it's about a third of the estimated cost of the pointless war on terror .Meanwhile US infrastructure is crumbling with millions facing blackouts because the inability of the electricity grid to cope with increasing climate change .
Late stage capitalism in the USA is increasingly looking like the last days of the Soviet Union - pointless unwinnable foreign wars , vast military spending , empty supermarket shelves & a ruling elite completely insulated from the consequences of its actions.As ignorant as most folks are about the causes , they are seeing the effects in their lives on a daily basis.A lot of working folks are up to their necks in debt just to keep the lights on and so trump & the uk tories serve up as an explanation , the bogeyman - the immigrant , the unaccountable elites , those who we cant's see in our daily lives , the other .Instead of providing affordable housing or education the UK government engages in a culture war , bringing in legislation to basically outlaw protest , 10 years in prison for bringing down a statue , making being a Gypsy Roma or Traveller illegal .So keep digging the ground from under your feet because shit rolls downhill and your'e much closer to the bottom than you imagine.
You might be willing to follow a leader but i'm not.
A bunch of outlaws , as much as i can admire their actions against authority, had no political agenda & were not trying to shape some form of democracy.Overthrowing the establishment isn't a fantasy , it's a constant struggle & yes plenty of attempts end in failure within some cases authoritarian Left forces taking power.Our mostly comfortable life in developed countries has made some of us forget the battles fought to give us the few right that we have.
So Brexit will bring accountability ? what will that look like ? In the worst health crisis in history the UK government failed spectacularly , causing the avoidable deaths of 10s of thousands of people whilst basically using the pandemic as an excuse to loot public money .
And so to Trump and the USA.
In what was probably the most scrutinised elections in history no more than a handful of people have been charged in the entire country.Despite millions of dollars spent , teams of lawyers , and constant propagation of conspiracy theories nothing even approaching evidence has been found - nada , ni un pelín. The claim that the CIA loaded false data onto Italian military satellites has been described as pure insanity.The pro Trump camp is increasingly looking like a classic cult , as those who voted for him for the most pragmatic reason - lower taxes - drift away only the true believers are left & to keep them on board increasingly fantastic claims are needed.
Alongside all this is some seriously worrying trends.As a country founded on genocide , ethnic cleansing and slavery non white people have had little legitimacy in the so called democratic arena - large parts of the country had de facto apartheid until the 1960s - and voter suppression started during the post civil war reconstruction .The idea that organised fraud in urban areas is rife is a way of de legitimising the black vote & legislation now proposed will make it harder to vote for mostly poorer people.Racism has always been a part of republican and to some extent democrat politicians but now the Trump faction has forged solid links with the far right & outright nazis. Openly saying that they don't accept the legitimacy of the electoral system means that a dictatorship is on the cards.
As for Bidens spending it's about a third of the estimated cost of the pointless war on terror .Meanwhile US infrastructure is crumbling with millions facing blackouts because the inability of the electricity grid to cope with increasing climate change .
Late stage capitalism in the USA is increasingly looking like the last days of the Soviet Union - pointless unwinnable foreign wars , vast military spending , empty supermarket shelves & a ruling elite completely insulated from the consequences of its actions.As ignorant as most folks are about the causes , they are seeing the effects in their lives on a daily basis.A lot of working folks are up to their necks in debt just to keep the lights on and so trump & the uk tories serve up as an explanation , the bogeyman - the immigrant , the unaccountable elites , those who we cant's see in our daily lives , the other .Instead of providing affordable housing or education the UK government engages in a culture war , bringing in legislation to basically outlaw protest , 10 years in prison for bringing down a statue , making being a Gypsy Roma or Traveller illegal .So keep digging the ground from under your feet because shit rolls downhill and your'e much closer to the bottom than you imagine.
The classic right wing wet dream .The closest iv'e seen to to this in a social group was biker patch clubs that exist in a climate of constant fear & the threat of violence.The so called caveman still exists in Amazonian hunter gatherer tribes where sharing and cooperation are essential for survival.Anyone trying to pull that sort of shit would probably get their head smashed in with a rock.
