Which MTs are good on road as well?

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Still in research mode......
So what are the best MTs for dealing with mud, wet grass as well as still being reasonably competent on tarmac in the wet?
I will be using the 80 off road every weekend and for short trips most days. l will also be using it for long family trips (fully loaded).
Am planning on either 285/75s or 305/75 (with a 2.5" lift).
So what are your recommendations?
Cheers
Julian
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Hi Julian,
One (or two) things to consider is wear (and noise). Many MTs are made of soft
rubber compound that will work off road but wear quickly on tarmac. I've had
good results with BF Goodrige and Cooper. How they behave in the wet is a
different matter and mainly denpends on how much rubber is in contact with the
pavement. The better tracton in mud, the wider the voids between lugs and the
less rubber to provide friction on tarmac. Most manufacturers will rate their
tyres as 50/50 or 20/80 or else, so you can chose according to the application
required. Noise is subjective and hard to assess but may be important to some.
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London UK
'92 HDJ80
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I don't believe such a think really exists Julian, tyres are either good
in mud OR good on the road, anything else is a compromise and you end
up with mediocre tyres on both.
My solution for a while was to buy another set of wheels when I bought a
set of mud tyres, and swap them over on a Friday night before a weekend
off-road, then swap them back on a Sunday evening ready for the day to
day commute. Problem was that when you get home late on Sunday evening,
cold, wet, tired, hungry and dirty and it's getting dark and it's
raining the last thing you feel like doing is swapping wheels around -
all I ever wanted was a bath and food. This inevitably lead to the mud
tyres staying on all week.
I can recommend tyres NOT to get for road use - Bronco Grizzly Claws,
they are awesome in the mud but downright dodgy on wet tarmac and quite
lethal on frosty roads (not really ice - just that white frost covering)
Alan
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1994 KZJ70
 
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Two sets would be my preferred choice, but since I don't commute I thought I might be able to get away with just MTs.
Aren't Grizzly Claws remoulds?
OK, just looking at MTs, what are the best for mud and wet grass?
Cheers,
Julian
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Hi,
Yes, I know about the noise and wear.
I used to have BFG ATs, but wasn't 100% happy with them on wet grass and slippy clayey mud.
OK, so going for purely MTs, what would you suggest?
Also, what would you recommend as the best size?
Cheers,
Julian
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Julian
I think its fair to say you get what you pay for.On my Hilux I used Technic
Tracker remoulds and they were fine.
Several friends use BFG and have had favourable results on and off road with
good wear,30k miles on a V8 90 is not bad.
If you go with the 305 choice is very limited anyways.
Dave Harris
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I can only tell you what's worked / not worked for me, I think tyres are
one of those things that are a very personal choice.
My 285x75x16 BFG AT's have done about 30k miles and still have a lot of
tread left. Quiet on road and ok in the mud but it can be hard work. I
don't notice a performance difference over standard size tyres.
My old 35x10.5x16 Simex's had done about 5k miles and are worn out and
been replaced. I could just about live with them on road but not for a
family vehicle, surprisingly grippy in the wet for such an aggressive
tyre - much better than say a grizzly claw. Awesome in the mud. Sap
quite a lot of power not just cos of the size but also seem to have a
high rolling resistance because of the tread pattern. Quite noisy.
I've just recently replaced my BFG AT's (they've gone on my wife's 80)
with some 315x75x16 Pro Comp MT's. Can't tell you how long they'll last
but I suspect not more than 20k miles as they're a very soft compound.
Very good on road, more grip than the BFG AT's especially in the wet,
quite quiet with just a hint of hum. So far so good in the mud, not
quite as good as the Simex's but not too far off. Sap a bit of power but
nowhere near as bad as the Simex.
I have friends with 33" BFG MT's on LR's which seem to last well but
don't grip very well on road especially when wet, work well in mud.
I ran 35's (Simex) with only a 2" lift for quite a while and only rubbed
when twisted up. 33's will fit under a 2.5" lift easily and shouldn't
look too small. I usually find whatever size tyre I buy I wish I'd got
the next size up.
Best Regards,
Jon.
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Subject: [ELCO] Which MTs are good on road as well?
Still in research mode......
So what are the best MTs for dealing with mud, wet grass as well as
still being reasonably competent on tarmac in the wet?
I will be using the 80 off road every weekend and for short trips most
days. l will also be using it for long family trips (fully loaded).
Am planning on either 285/75s or 305/75 (with a 2.5" lift).
So what are your recommendations?
Cheers
Julian
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I Have Goodyear MTR 305/70/16 after on my Patrol GR 3.0Di
I am very surprised with it! In good way... I think I will never buy
BFGoodrich crapy stuff (sorry BFG owners). Those Goodyear MTR pay themselfs.
On HDJ80, and being this fabulous machine 4wd, I suspect those MTR will be
even better.
Check this link to:
http://www.offroader.com.au/reviews/tyres/goodyear/goodyear-wrangler-mtr.cfm
and this one http://www.bc4x4.com/pr/2000/mtr/mtr.cfm .
Regard that those are my only tires on my set of original whells, that has
the same size as teh hdj80. I use my Patrol GR 80 on road - call me silly
hehehe - but I dont like do get stuck when off roading. Already done 500km
on higway recently, 130 - 150, with some stops to check the pressure and
tires... Awsome! Everyting ok... Pressure diference was the same as dayly
drive. 36psi on cold, 40psi after some 30min roading. Could use more
pressure to get the tipical 3psi increase but I dont like the tires very
ard.
Plus on this mtr you can off road with 22psi getting na extreme excelente
performance, and with safty. Those mtr are very resistent.
Sure you can get tires that can hold more 10.000km or more (I had already 2
sets of BFGs AT on my experience, drove 305/70/16 MTR on HDJ80, some Simex
with ST type tread etc...) but at my opinion dont worth those extra miles.
With a same mt type like mtr and softer rubber you get better results. They
are the quiet MT I already drive. You only get noise if you travel fast with
open windows... Must remember they still a MT type tyre. For me, the best at
moment. Whorth the mony spend... they are not cheap.
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Colway AT 31x10.5x15 on the old FJ62.....
Used to co-drive rally cars a few years back and we ran on Colway then,
never had a failure. Tried really expensive Michellins for one event and
there was no difference - driver hadn't enough skill to take advantage of
the tyre (his words, not mine!) and we went back to Colway.
The AT pattern looks like the BFG and gives good grip in the wet on tarmac
as well as being OK off road for the vehicles abilities - bog standard right
now.
Colway do a MT pattern as well. As previously posted, I guess you can't have
a great MT pattern that's also good on tarmac - let's face it, if there was,
we'd all have a set!
Neill Watson
 
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<Like you, having done some rallying I am big fan of Colways, but still have
a nagging doubt in the back of my mind about putting them on an 80,
particularly for long, fully loaded high speed runs.>
Did you know most airliners run remoulds?
When I was at Langdale Quest earlier this year, an awful lot of vehicles
were running Colways of varying types. I understand what you mean about
heavily leaden stuff. Mine have been on nearly a year now, towed a couple of
cars, done some light off road and my wife uses it every day. They're only
just showing signs of wear on the shoulders of the fronts after around
10,000 miles. ?39 each.....
It's bog standard, but will be coming off the road within the next 12 months
for a few changes and a bit of re-furb.
Neill Watson
 
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The Pro Comps were around =A3900 for a set of 5, I'll dig the receipt out
if you need a more accurate figure. Got them from John Craddocks
(www.johncraddockltd.co.uk) Best to phone them.
other
I find wider and longer footprint works better ...
Best Regards,
Jon.
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Hi Jon,
of
Yes, I gather they can last up to 50k miles.
That is what I found. When new they were OK, but once the corners had
worn down a bit they were less effective.
Yes I noticed that - what sort of cost were they? Who from?
but
That sounds encouraging.
Out of interest, why have you gone for 315s? Part of me thinks that I
should go for narrower tyres to get more pressure/grip and then the
other
part thinks go wider to avoid sinking in too much.
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Hi Alan,
Can't you get a tyre shop to sipe the tyres to improve the wet/frosty grip
- I remember reading about them doing this in the US, but have not come
across it in the UK.
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Julian Voelcker
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Hi Jon,
Yes, I gather they can last up to 50k miles.
That is what I found. When new they were OK, but once the corners had
worn down a bit they were less effective.
Yes I noticed that - what sort of cost were they? Who from?
That sounds encouraging.
Out of interest, why have you gone for 315s? Part of me thinks that I
should go for narrower tyres to get more pressure/grip and then the other
part thinks go wider to avoid sinking in too much.
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Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
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Hi Neill,
Like you, having done some rallying I am big fan of Colways, but still have
a nagging doubt in the back of my mind about putting them on an 80,
particularly for long, fully loaded high speed runs.
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Julian Voelcker
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Hi guys,
What did you expect of a one wheel drive car? Even the best mud tyre in the
universe wouldn't make a big difference ... I had a similar experience in a
Citroen, trying to drive out of a country park after the gates were locked :)
As for the original question - the best tyre is the one you can afford to run
and ruin without remortgaging your house. Unless, of course, you have an urge
to spend 250 quid per corner and watch your investment deflate through a
slashed sidewall while playing off-road on a weekend ...
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Rgds,
Roman
London UK
'92 HDJ80
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Hi Jon,
Thanks for that - ?865.27 via their website.
It is actually nice to see a UK supplier with a decent site - am pleased
to see they sell the Sankey 3/4 ton trailers - have been looking for one
of those and only ?150!
I suppose I am still suffering from being forced off the road in a SAAB
9000 by a BMW X5 that wouldn't pull over onto the verge - I ended up
having to pull over, but got stuck on the wet grass on the side.
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Julian Voelcker
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Julian Voelcker wrote:
In my first post I said "My solution for a while was...", well
eventually I bought another car for my daily driver (BMW 320i), so now
the 70 is dedicated to off-road - don't get me wrong, it's no "trailer
queen", it's still MoT & Taxed, but it only needs to get me to and from
events. It means that I don't have to consider the on road performance
of the tyres, so long as they're legal on-road, I just take my time
getting where I'm going.
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Dunfermline, Scotland
1994 KZJ70
 
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As MT type tires that they are, you cant get other better MT type. In my
opinion.
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