1hd-ft intercooler options

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Hi All,
my question is quite simple : what are the 1hd-ft intercooler options.
I found Safari Intercooler System on the link bellow:
http://www.airpowersystems.com/safari/turbo/1hdft/intercooler.html
but there are no pricing info available (yes I have filled out the form
- but no replay so far). Does anybody know what is the price for it ?
From the image on the website intercooler radiator is installed in
front of the main radiator.
As far as I understand you can not harm your engine installing it since
it only reduces the temperature of air returning to the engine. Any
experiences with it ?
Thanks in advance for your answers.
Regards,
Tomaz
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Tomaz,
Safari do a good Intercooler but it is one of the most expensive.
You could look at the allisport website as they used to market one for
the 80. If there are any 100's in scrapyards yet the engine is
basically the same but it has an Intercooler. The other options are to
call people like all American in Holland for their opinion.
Regards,
Clive Marks
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Mobile: +44 7821 491897
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Hi Tomaz,
I have installed a couple of the Allisport (http://www.allisport.com ) intercoolers which are around =A3620 + VAT - so far I am pretty impressed with them, although you need to have your inlet manifold cut and modified so not easy to do as a straight kit.
As far as I know that Safari aren't doing their kit anymore, but when they were doing them they were quite expensive.
Maarten at All American (http://www.allamerican.nl) also does a kit, it is a fair bit more than the Allisport one and it has the disadvantage that some of the pipe work is slung a bit low, but apart from that is considered to be an excellent kit.
Regards
Julian
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Hi Tomaz
I have a friend of mine who has HDJ100 and he wants to upgrade his
intercooler-so you should drop that option...and now I=B4m very surprised what
Julian is serving us , because an year ago I was asking about Allisport and
at that time they were doing most Land Roversss..otherwise they offered you
a room to stay and lend you a car while they fix the cooler :)
cheers
Lubo
On Feb 19, 2008 9:15 PM, Julian A.R. Voelcker <[Email address removed]> wrote:
> Hi Tomaz,
>
> I have installed a couple of the Allisport (http://www.allisport.com )
> intercoolers which are around =A3620 + VAT - so far I am pretty impressed with
> them, although you need to have your inlet manifold cut and modified so not
> easy to do as a straight kit.
>
> As far as I know that Safari aren't doing their kit anymore, but when they
> were doing them they were quite expensive.
>
> Maarten at All American (http://www.allamerican.nl) also does a kit, it is
> a fair bit more than the Allisport one and it has the disadvantage that some
> of the pipe work is slung a bit low, but apart from that is considered to be
> an excellent kit.
>
>
> Regards
> Julian
> Email: [Email address removed]
> Mobile: +44 (0)7971 540 362
> --
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Hi guys,
first of all thanks to Clive and Julian for the answers.
Julian what exactly do you mean by: "some of the pipe work is slung a
bit low" ? (sorry for my poor English)
Do the kit from allamerican requires less modifications then allisport ?
I got replay from safari : the intercoolers are still available and the
price is 1500 EUR (~ 1,130 GBP)including shipment to Europe - you have
to add import tax to that. But the installation of the kit is according
to Safari straight forward.
Regards,
Tomaz
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1996 HDJ80 (1HD-FT 24V, manual gearbox), OME Lift (6 cm), Safari
snorkel, Front runner long ranger tank (170L)
1996 KZJ95 (1KZ-TE), OME Lift (6 cm), Safari snorkel, auxiliary tank (70L)
 
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Hi Lubo,
Allisport specialise in fabrication in Aluminium particularly intercoolers. Obviously with the dominance of Land Rovers, that is their main market, however they do make intercoolers for most LCs including 80s, 90s as well as larger coolers for 100s.
Allisport are based very close to me and I have been over there a few times and am impressed with their work.
The downside with Allisports offering isn't a true kit - the inlet manifold going over the engine on 80s needs to be cut and have some tubing welded on and you also need to cut 60mm+ holes in the front of the engine bay either side of radiators.
We are trying to source spare inlet manifolds to be able provide an exchange system as well as looking in to alternative approaches to the pipework.
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
07971 540362
[Email address removed]
 
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Morning Tomaz,
The big problem with fitting an intercooler to an LC is routing the pipes that carry the air to and from the Intercooler.
As far as I can tell the AllAmerican kit routes the air from the turbo in a loop back then down and under the steering box (on UK models, would be interested to see solution on European model), under the front of the car and up to the intercooler. It is a nice bit of work but there have been comments about the pipes being a little exposed under the car.
The Allisport piping is intended to go through holes in the front of the engine bay, under the headlights, which is safely tucked away although more fiddly to install.
The bottom line is that the likes of Safari and AllAmerican have good but expensive kits. The Allisport one is half the price, but a bit more fiddly to install.
It is also worth bearing in mind that I doubt that you will see any difference in performance between the kits, although the Allisport core does seem noticeably bigger ;-)
I have to admit that I am a little biased toward Allisport, however before I ever spoke to the I looked at all the kits on the market and it was evident that they are the best value for money.
The installation side is a pain for home users, but I am working with them to see if there is any way of altering their kit to make it easier to install without the costs going up too much.
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
07971 540362
[Email address removed]
 
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Hi Tomaz
I've just had an Allisport Intercooler fitted and its a tidy piece of
kit. Haven't clocked up much mileage on it yet but uit has noticeably
improved power - how to measure how much - I don't know.
It fits nicely in the engine bay and is a tidy job.
Believe they perform better with a bigger exhaust - I didn't go for that option
Cheers
Niall
'95 HDJ80
On 2/19/08, Tomaz Sustar <[Email address removed]> wrote:
 
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Hi guys,
first of all thanks to Clive and Julian for the answers.
Julian what exactly do you mean by: "some of the pipe work is slung a
bit low" ? (sorry for my poor English)
Do the kit from allamerican requires less modifications then allisport ?
I got replay from safari : the intercoolers are still available and the
price is 1500 EUR (~ 1,130 GBP)including shipment to Europe - you have
to add import tax to that. But the installation of the kit is according
to Safari straight forward.
Regards,
Tomaz
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1996 HDJ80 (1HD-FT 24V, manual gearbox), OME Lift (6 cm), Safari
snorkel, Front runner long ranger tank (170L)
1996 KZJ95 (1KZ-TE), OME Lift (6 cm), Safari snorkel, auxiliary tank (70L)
 
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Tomaz
Be careful.....
Import tax and VAT if coming in from the states
Niall
 
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Tomaz,
By "slung a bit low" Julian means that the pipes are under the
Radiator, or similar, making them a target for rocks etc.
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Clive Marks
Home: +44 1293 514600
Mobile: +44 7821 491897
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Niall
Any feeling for changes in fuel economy yet ... or has all that extra
power proved too tempting?
Also, did they have to adjust the turbo boost and fuel pump to get the
full fruit flavour out of it?
Finally, is yours a 1HD-T or -FT engine? And if the latter how did the
cutting of the cross-over pipe go?
Christopher Bell
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| Hi Tomaz
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| I've just had an Allisport Intercooler fitted and its a tidy piece of
| kit. Haven't clocked up much mileage on it yet but uit has noticeably
| improved power - how to measure how much - I don't know.
|
| It fits nicely in the engine bay and is a tidy job.
|
| Believe they perform better with a bigger exhaust - I didn't go for
that
| option
|
| Cheers
|
| Niall
| '95 HDJ80
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Julian
I'll be interested to here that Allisport will improve the instalation and
the cost.Will you be kind to give me a hint when it happens ;-)
cheers
Lubo
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>
> I have to admit that I am a little biased toward Allisport, however before
> I ever spoke to the I looked at all the kits on the market and it was
> evident that they are the best value for money.
>
> The installation side is a pain for home users, but I am working with them
> to see if there is any way of altering their kit to make it easier to
> install without the costs going up too much.
>
> Regards,
>
> Julian Voelcker
> 07971 540362
> [Email address removed]--
> European Land Cruiser Owners Mailing List
> Further Info: http://www.landcruisers.info/lists/
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Hi Chris,
Yes we did tweak the fuelling and turbo boost.
The boost is adjusted by adding a T piece into the pipe between the
turbo and the wastegate, by bleeding off some pressure the wastegate
opens at a higher boost.
The standard option for altering the fuelling is to increase the maximum
load volume. A more refined approach is via more detailed pump tweaks.
The inlet manifold was cut by Allisport - they cut it right where the
manifold forks between the EGR and pre-heater and then weld on a length
of pipe for joining the silicone hoses.
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
07971 540362
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The 100-series kit ought to be considered. The standard set-up gives 204
bhp.
It is true that the core could be bigger, and that some power-hungry guys
are looking to replace the core, alternatively add a second one. If the
piping fits your 80, it could be used with any core.
And yes, the intercooler core is placed in front of the main radiator. As
it is less efficient than a water/air radiator, it gives off less heat, so
that's OK.
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Ugo Hu, Oslo, Norway
HDJ100, Auto, AHC, 2001; ex HZJ80
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:47:35 +0100, Clive Marks <[Email address removed]>
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Christopher
Not yet. Have had a heavy foot the last few days ;-) but filled up
this morning with the intent to drive relatively normally and check
the consumption. Also need to keep an eye on smoke and adjust the fuel
supply accordingly.
Turbo boost had to be adjusted down. Fuel supply slightly increased.
Its going to take some time to see whats going on and tweek - I need
to a boost gauge.
Its a 1HDFT - not sure if the cutting of the cross over pipe caused
any problems - looks OK to me - Julian has the experience on that
front.
Cheers
Niall
 
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Julian and Niall
Julian, sorry, I didn't know you'd fitted this. Out of interest do either of you have any photos?
I'm very tempted ...
In my opinion the (well my) 1HD-FT doesn't lack top end power - floor it at 70 in 5th and it accelerates really well - but rather low end power and torque, which I think is typical of multi-valve engines.
I'd love to find some way of making it breathe and fuel better in the 1000 - 2500 rpm regime, and ideally get the turbo to cut in at much lower revs than the current 1800 or so ... I think this would be your "more refined approach" that would greatly improve driveability.
Did you have any problems getting the cross-over pipe off? Looking at mine the bolts to the exhaust section at the waste-gate end look pretty rusted up.
BTW what did the insurance company have to say about it? Last time I asked mine, on a speculative basis about 3 years ago, the first response was "what's an intercooler?" Then, after some internal research, they quoted an extra =A360/year.
Christopher Bell
| Yes we did tweak the fuelling and turbo boost.
|
| The boost is adjusted by adding a T piece into the pipe between the
| turbo and the wastegate, by bleeding off some pressure the wastegate
| opens at a higher boost.
|
| The standard option for altering the fuelling is to increase the maximum
| load volume. A more refined approach is via more detailed pump tweaks.
|
| The inlet manifold was cut by Allisport - they cut it right where the
| manifold forks between the EGR and pre-heater and then weld on a length
| of pipe for joining the silicone hoses.
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Hi Uhu,
Unfortunately the Intercooler pipework from a 100 series won't fit on an
80 - the inlet manifold that crosses over top of the engine is
completely different.
I have looked at Intercoolers for quite a while and whilst there are
more efficient systems out there an air to air intercooler tends to
provide the best value option.
If you are on a tight budget, it wouldn't be too difficult to pick up a
second hand intercooler from a lorry or tractor and then sort out the
pipework yourself - although the connection to the inlet manifold will
always be the tricky bit.
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
07971 540362
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Hi Chris,
Have you attempted the standard 1HD-FT tweaks and shown on the LCool
site? This will make a big difference to the pre-boost performance.
The next step would be to get a freer flowing exhaust to improve the
turbo spin up.
I have put some pics of a 12valve and 24valve install on the web at
http://picasaweb.google.com/julian.voelcker/AllisportIntercoolerInstall
Re the cross over pipe - yes the bolts for the EGR valves (the waste
gate is hidden behind the actual turbo) can get pretty rusty, however
since they bolt in to the alloy manifold they aren't too difficult to
remove.
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
07971 540362
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Julian
Thanks for the photos ... it's a chunky piece of kit. They've made a
neat job of the cross-over pipe, and it's nice to see that stupid air
pre-heater has gone.

| Have you attempted the standard 1HD-FT tweaks and shown on the LCool
| site? This will make a big difference to the pre-boost performance.
No, I haven't made any injector pump mods - I know my own limitations!
And I suppose you are right, a bigger bore exhaust would be the next
logical step; the trouble is my existing exhaust is still fine and it
seems wasteful to scrap it. Still, at 11+ years and 145k miles it must
be due to die fairly soon, and when it does ...
Perhaps I ought to bring it to you to try the pump mods first of all and
be satisfied with the result, but the engineer in me wants to go the
inter-cooling route because adding more and cooler air has to be the
best technical solution.
Chris
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