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80 series gullwings rear windows
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Dumb question time Rich, does the gullwing replace the plastic vent trim piece or does it abut that trim?
I have 2 problems, the vent trims are damaged on my truck and the sliding window frames are rusted.
There are 2 solutions, I can either install your magnificent gullwings or I can opt for a fixed glass and new rubbers.
Need to consider my options here, in some respects, I'd prefer to keep glass....
I have 2 problems, the vent trims are damaged on my truck and the sliding window frames are rusted.
There are 2 solutions, I can either install your magnificent gullwings or I can opt for a fixed glass and new rubbers.
Need to consider my options here, in some respects, I'd prefer to keep glass....
Ahh now Clive I did consider making the doors cover the vents. The trims are different from fixed to sliding. The ones for the sliding windows are slightly narrower towards the glass. One of my trims got ripped off the plastic push stud and broke the stud mounting. After finding that Mr T wanted IIRC £114 for it I decided to put a nutsert in the hole and drill the vent cover for an m4 brass pan head screw.
If you change to fixed glass the trims need to be changed.
How badly damaged are they?
If you change to fixed glass the trims need to be changed.
How badly damaged are they?
Alternately it's have a word with Karl. I'd love to send you some gullwings but if it's glass you want then you really ought to try for glass.
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I was going to tease you and ask for a gullwing in glass
It's interesting to know that the trims are different though. I have seen after market replacements on eblag at much reduced prices, and with colored and chrome effect blingy options.
One of of mine is intact, whereas the other was in about 7 pieces, yet the body shop that did my re-spray reassembled it, and TBH, you can't see the joins!
Fixing them is a different story though and I'm rapidly concluding that a big FO bolt will be installed sooner rather than later
Both of them are a bit distorted and to get them to lay close to a desired profile is proving somewhat difficult, to say the least.Anyway, can't promise a sale, but if I have to replace the sliding frame (unless Karl can assist here) a gullwing or two may not be such a bad idea.
Thinking on, the jury's still out...
Which side is it that's worst Clive, I've got a reasonable second hand one for sliders I could let you have for what it cost me which will be the RHS. With the seal strip. One or two scratches but otherwise good.
I am considering doing glass gullwings but they are way off yet.
I am considering doing glass gullwings but they are way off yet.
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I think they're both as bad as each other Rich, it's at the back upright near to the bottom on the curve, that shows the worst, kinda "blown" inside the rubber coating, as if it's rusting from the inside.
i don't make matters any better taking it Offroad with loads of trees and branches rasping down the side of the truck. A bit of a design fault there IMO, the 80 shape tends to shed brush quite well at the front, and the sides are reasonably smooth until a branch hits the side at the rear above the waste, then it gouges the side window frame and finishes off rasping across a skimpy plastic trim over the vents
They should have been 5mm stainless IMO, but then IMO, 90% of the truck should have been marine grade stainless
I'll try to remember to get a photo or 2 tomorrow....
Thanks for for the offer BTW, but still not sure which way to go, before you start packing goodies off to me.
Glass gullwings.... I was joking, are you serious? Really like the sound of them...
I've not spent any real time on glass gullwings as they would be a whole different ball game as far as hinges and catches go. BUT if I ever get round to doing what I originally planned and wanted to do for mine then a logical step would be to go for a glass option possibly utilising the original glass. However that's not likely to happen any time soon so don't hold your breath.
Owa, spoil-sport... 
You'll need to find a very specialist welder to weld the glass to the frame...
You'll need to find a very specialist welder to weld the glass to the frame...
Sorry Clive, it's a route I started early on in the build that involves special hinges being made up (believe me, it does). I've found someone to do it but not gone that route so for now it's on the back burner. Also needs concealed catches which again I have found, otherwise the glass has to be modded.
Once I get the first batch off to their new homes I'll be able to have a go at the glass ones, perhaps, when I feel mad enough. [emoji6]
Once I get the first batch off to their new homes I'll be able to have a go at the glass ones, perhaps, when I feel mad enough. [emoji6]
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Surprisingly, I actually remembered to photo the rear side windows Rich!
Sadly, I t's the left hand side that's the worst, (driver side to me and passenger side to you) as you can see... manky and leaking too, it seems
And here's the right hand side, which is OK.
Sadly, I t's the left hand side that's the worst, (driver side to me and passenger side to you) as you can see... manky and leaking too, it seems
And here's the right hand side, which is OK.
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Hmmm, that mostly looks like damage and splitting to the window rubbers which surround an aluminium frame which in turn holds the glass.
It looks to me that the Windows have possibly been fitted inside out, which I cannot get my head around even being possible. I say this because the ones I have seen fitted, stick out from the outer line of the truck. Yours sit back.
It looks mostly like your rubbers have had it. Much as I would love to send you some gullwings I think Karl would probably be able to help with a used set of sliders. They will then fill the gaps and help fend off the branches which I can now understand digging in. Maybe Toyota modded them after finding problems like you've see with branches?
The louvres look in reasonable condition and again Karl could well be your man to update these too.
It looks to me that the Windows have possibly been fitted inside out, which I cannot get my head around even being possible. I say this because the ones I have seen fitted, stick out from the outer line of the truck. Yours sit back.
It looks mostly like your rubbers have had it. Much as I would love to send you some gullwings I think Karl would probably be able to help with a used set of sliders. They will then fill the gaps and help fend off the branches which I can now understand digging in. Maybe Toyota modded them after finding problems like you've see with branches?
The louvres look in reasonable condition and again Karl could well be your man to update these too.
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Quick update, doors all straightened out and delivered to be coated at the painters.
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Progress!!! [emoji4]
For or sure there's damage and it figures that the split rubber leaves damaged aluminum exposed, which is my main complaint.
Not sure what you mean by inside out. Of the 2 tracks, the forward glass runs in the outer track and the rearward in the inner. If they were reversed, the catches wouldn't operate, yet they do. Still there's no telling really....
I think replacement is the only cure, with new rubbers.
Or gullwings, maybe ...
Have you noticed the sly way I'm trying to convince myself I need gullwings?
Not so fast, send a message to Karl, slapped hand...
Not sure what you mean by inside out. Of the 2 tracks, the forward glass runs in the outer track and the rearward in the inner. If they were reversed, the catches wouldn't operate, yet they do. Still there's no telling really....
I think replacement is the only cure, with new rubbers.
Or gullwings, maybe ...
Have you noticed the sly way I'm trying to convince myself I need gullwings?
Not so fast, send a message to Karl, slapped hand...
If you look at this pic, see how the glass is actually further outward than the rear door glass. Unless I'm totally mistaken, yours are further inboard… aren't they??
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=l...&hl=en-gb&client=safari#imgrc=Bp7Ip7ZoTh43TM:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=l...&hl=en-gb&client=safari#imgrc=Bp7Ip7ZoTh43TM:
OK, the link didn't take me to a picture it went to a search results to web photos of 80s, which I always hate because I see trucks like this one...
Anyway, I trawled through and couldn't really find a close-up that demonstrated anything much, either way.
But I'll take your point, I could really do with some closer pics to see better. Anyway, there's no rush.
Thanks Rich...
Hmm, yes that is a nice truck.
Sorry, this was the one I meant, not a close up but I thought it showed what I mean best of what I could find. I'm sure there's photos on here that are better but it's finding them.
Sorry, this was the one I meant, not a close up but I thought it showed what I mean best of what I could find. I'm sure there's photos on here that are better but it's finding them.
Thanks Rich. I see what you mean, I'll try to get a similar angled pic of mine to do a side-by-side comparison.
I think my photos give a wrong impression because I only snapped the rearmost part which on the above pic, you can see that the glass is set quite deeply into the frame (inner channel of the runners). It will be interesting if there is a difference, figuring out why.
To bear in mind that mine is actually damaged (the PO was quite open about a flat-bed truck that scored a line all the way down the that side) and it's appearance has just got worse over the years since I got it in 2006.
One problem here is that 80s are quite rare, so I don't have any opportunity to gave a gander at one in a car park.
I'm not aware that 80s vary that much from year to year (mine's a 1995) but we live and learn don't we...
