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Evening all!
Anybody had experience of these?- http://www.toyotasuperaxles.com/
The Chromoly for the 80 series are $305 each and Bobby claims "no one has ever broken one, you won't wear it out." They came highly recommended by Ben at Slee offroad.
My RH one has just started clicking at full lock with the diff-lock engaged so I am tempted before I stop going to the States so often.
Happy Easter.
Dermot Allen
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Hi there Dermot
That does sound like a good deal, what do the rest of the mighty ones think, its sleepy this weekend maybe all are away enjoying themselves. Sure the birfields at Milner are =A380 then you have to buy the inner axel. II will have a think about it aswell as you. If I decided to buy would you be able to bring them home to the Uk for me and then post to me.
John C
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Hi Dermot
I know im a pain in the arse at time with all the questions but I have to do it to learn. So here it comes, you say when you are in full lock you can hear a clicking. Firstly if its your RH CV is the full lock to the right or left when you hear the clicking. Do you have to have it in full lock to hear it or can you detect it in other ways. Now its not that im thick but my only experience of the CVs going is totally different to you lot. Firstly my first went without warning (clicking or otherwise) up in the mountains two and a half hours away from home. It took three and a half hours to get back home with the cruiser on the back of a tow truck. It all happened, this is where the wife usually tells me to shut up, but shes not here so here goes. I tried to reverse out of a car park and all of a sudden the cruiser stopped and no it was'nt because I had my foot on the brake. It stopped dead with a lot of screaching that was that no warning. The second time was when I had it replaced by Toyota with a Toyota CV Joint and in day three, yes day three not year three it broke. Why I say it broke was because I saw it after Toy had replaced it free of charge. all the bearings were free and the casing was actualy broken in bits. They do not know why, so thats my story on the CVs, no clicking or any sign it was about to fail just complete failure.
John C
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Hi Dermot
Have you checked to see what the cost would be just for the birfields on their own. I read posts on the site and they did say that they are willing to talk about it, when asked by others.
john C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
 
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Dermot,
I have a friend here that just put these in (as he has broken his birfs - he
was running 37" and now 40").
Be interesting to see how they run.
Christo certaintly would be the 'expert' opinion on birfs.
My opinion is that they are not long enough out for people to know how good
they are (i.e. not in enought 37"+ tire size trucks for those that wheel
hard and have broken regular birfs 2 compare).
My birfs has been clicking 4 3+ years and just swapped from side to side
(most say it helps) - mine now sounds worse :) (looks as if I'll need a
replacement in next year or so - or when u breaks - but normally wheel with
Robbie and he carrys a spare :)
Lal
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From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]]On
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Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:36 PM
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Subject: [ELCO] Birfields
Evening all!
Anybody had experience of these?- http://www.toyotasuperaxles.com/
The Chromoly for the 80 series are $305 each and Bobby claims "no one has
ever broken one, you won't wear it out." They came highly recommended by
Ben at Slee offroad.
My RH one has just started clicking at full lock with the diff-lock
engaged so I am tempted before I stop going to the States so often.
Happy Easter.
Dermot Allen
'97 1HD-FT
 
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40" tyres?
i really wanna see those on a cruiser! :)
any pictorial evidence of this? :)
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From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Brendan Lally
Sent: 28 March 2005 15:44
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: RE: [ELCO] Birfields
Dermot,
I have a friend here that just put these in (as he has broken his birfs - he
was running 37" and now 40").
Be interesting to see how they run.
Christo certaintly would be the 'expert' opinion on birfs.
My opinion is that they are not long enough out for people to know how good
they are (i.e. not in enought 37"+ tire size trucks for those that wheel
hard and have broken regular birfs 2 compare).
My birfs has been clicking 4 3+ years and just swapped from side to side
(most say it helps) - mine now sounds worse :) (looks as if I'll need a
replacement in next year or so - or when u breaks - but normally wheel with
Robbie and he carrys a spare :)
Lal
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]]On
Behalf Of dermot.allen
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:36 PM
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: [ELCO] Birfields
Evening all!
Anybody had experience of these?- http://www.toyotasuperaxles.com/
The Chromoly for the 80 series are $305 each and Bobby claims "no one has
ever broken one, you won't wear it out." They came highly recommended by
Ben at Slee offroad.
My RH one has just started clicking at full lock with the diff-lock engaged
so I am tempted before I stop going to the States so often.
Happy Easter.
Dermot Allen
'97 1HD-FT
 
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On Behalf Of Dyfed Bowen
Sent: 28 March 2005 16:37
I'd be interested to see those as well :)
For UK laning 36" is getting close to the limit for squeezing down some
lanes. Too much extra height and when you're on a side slope up against
a tree you'll have problems.
http://www.mudtoys.com/temp/tyres/DSCF0003.JPG
http://www.mudtoys.com/temp/tyres/DSCF0007.JPG
On the 2nd pic you can see the tyre will still tuck up into the arch and
keep full articulation. Might squeeze a 37" in there but 40" you're
going to have to do some serious cutting or lose articulation I should
think.
Back on subject - I have Milner sourced CV's in mine and they've taken a
lot of abuse so I'd think the uprated ones are only needed if you're
doing really serious stuff. Think I'd rather blow a CV than a diff which
is probably where all that strain goes if the CV doesn't blow.
Best regards,
Jon.
 
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Hi John
>That does sound like a good deal, what do the rest of the mighty ones think, its sleepy this weekend maybe all are away enjoying themselves. Sure the birfields at Milner are =A380 then you have to buy the >inner axel.
I think so, just over double the Milner cost with the Dollar rate as it is for a much better unit.
> I will have a think about it aswell as you. If I decided to buy would you be able to bring them home to the Uk for me and then post to me.
I would like to say 'yes' but my time on the "Classic" is almost over (two trips-bless her) and I am pushing my luck before the LEDs! I have a few more goodies waiting for me in Florida!
Some other time perhaps?
Bye
Dermot Allen
 
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:39:43 +0100, Jon Wildsmith <[Email address removed]> wrote:
I compltely agree with Jon. There's always the weekest link - if you
make one part stronger, another one automatically becomes weaker. It
is not what's likely to break first, but how costly/difficult it is to
replace it. Putting on 40in tyres is an interesting exercise aimed to
demonstrate that a landcruiser axle is not designed for them. There
are other axles around that will do the job easily, though.
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Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
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Roman Wrote
Back on subject - I have Milner sourced CV's in mine and they've taken a
lot of abuse so I'd think the uprated ones are only needed if you're
doing really serious stuff. Think I'd rather blow a CV than a diff which
is probably where all that strain goes if the CV doesn't blow.
I compltely agree with Jon. There's always the weekest link - if you make
one part stronger, another one automatically becomes weaker. It
is not what's likely to break first, but how costly/difficult it is to
replace it.
Hi Roman
I would totally agree with you and your weak link and cost senario. Is it
not possible to build wih no weak link at all, and if you were to compare
the birfield to a Diff breaking cost wise what would the difference be.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
 
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On Behalf Of john byrne
Sent: 29 March 2005 16:18
Starting with the labour costs changing a CV will be significantly
cheaper than changing the diff. To get the diff out means removing the
drive shafts both sides, so just for starters that's double the labour,
plus removing the prop shaft and unbolting the diff, might have to
remove the anti-roll bar for better access, can't remember. Then you
have the labour of actually repairing the diff which will depend on what
got destroyed.
Parts expense will of course depend on what broke but you'd be lucky if
the diff parts were less than the =A380 for a Milner CV.
You can change a CV in a couple of hours even if you=92re no expert but
removing / repairing / replacing the diff I wouldn't like to estimate.
Safe to say CV =3D cheap, diff =3D expensive!
Best regards,
Jon.
 
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Hi John, sorry for the delay in replying-just catching-up with my mail.
>I know im a pain in the arse at time with all the questions but I have to do it to learn.
Not at all.
> So here it comes, you say when you are in full lock you can hear a clicking. Firstly if its your RH CV is the full lock to the right or left when you hear the clicking. Do you have to have it in full lock to hear it or can you detect it in other ways
It has just started after a week of working her hard offroad. It only occurrs with the front difflock engaged and full right lock on.
Regards
Dermot Allen
'97 1HD-FT
 
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Hi Lal,
>Dermot,
I have a friend here that just put these in (as he has broken his birfs - he was running 37" and now 40").
Be interesting to see how they run.
Christo certaintly would be the 'expert' opinion on birfs.
My opinion is that they are not long enough out for people to know how good they are (i.e. not in enought 37"+ tire size trucks for those that wheel hard and have broken regular birfs 2 compare).
My birfs has been clicking 4 3+ years and just swapped from side to side (most say it helps) - mine now sounds worse :) (looks as if I'll need a replacement in next year or so - or when u breaks - but normally wheel with Robbie and he carrys a spare :)
>Lal--
I have gone for the upgraded kit as I think they are good value and I won't have the opportunity to get them again (at this price) in the near future. The standard items seem to wear fairly easily and I hope I won't be pushing the old girl hard enough to blow a diff-famous last words!
Anyroadup! Thanks for everyone's input-much appreciated as always.
Regards
Dermot Allen
'97 1hd-ft
Norfolk
 
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Dermot,
The price is certainly right compared with the Toyo ones. Good luck with
them and let us know how u do.
Carry the others as spares on your excursions :)
Lal
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Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 1:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [ELCO] Birfields
Hi Lal,
>Dermot,
I have a friend here that just put these in (as he has broken his
birfs - he was running 37" and now 40").
Be interesting to see how they run.
Christo certaintly would be the 'expert' opinion on birfs.
My opinion is that they are not long enough out for people to know how
good they are (i.e. not in enought 37"+ tire size trucks for those that
wheel hard and have broken regular birfs 2 compare).
My birfs has been clicking 4 3+ years and just swapped from side to side
(most say it helps) - mine now sounds worse :) (looks as if I'll need a
replacement in next year or so - or when u breaks - but normally wheel with
Robbie and he carrys a spare :)
>Lal--
I have gone for the upgraded kit as I think they are good value and I
won't have the opportunity to get them again (at this price) in the near
future. The standard items seem to wear fairly easily and I hope I won't be
pushing the old girl hard enough to blow a diff-famous last words!
Anyroadup! Thanks for everyone's input-much appreciated as always.
Regards
Dermot Allen
'97 1hd-ft
Norfolk
 
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Hi All
Going to order the new birfields from Milners. =A380 each. Ohhh dear. Will it be the full outer stub axle the birfield itself and the bearings cage etc and then the longer inner axle?? Reason for asking is that there is some wear on the inner axle where it runs in the bearing. Not a lot just a groove worn into the metal?
All the best


Simon Hughes
Tel: 020 7549 3663
Mobile: 07973 288061
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Hi Simon,
No you don't get the half shaft running to the diff. How deep is the
groove? Usually the Toyota Inner Axle seals can cope with a bit of a
groove on the half shaft, so you should be able to get away with it.
When replacing the CV/Birfield you MUST also replace the flange plate for
each CV - Milners have them listed as 'Front Drive Flange'. If you have a
new CV with an old flange the connection between the two will quickly wear
resulting in loss of drive and the need for new of each!
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Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Hi Julian
Can't remember the size of the groove but it is minimal. Is the front
drive flange is the plate with splines that bolts to the hub?? I will
look at the book tonight and see if I can work it out.
Interested by the comments about bilsteins etc and will do some research
once I get home from work and after I spend a couple of hours building a
deck in the back garden! Days are just too short.
All the best


Simon Hughes
Tel: 020 7549 3663
Mobile: 07973 288061
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Hi Simon
The CVs from Milner are cheap compared to the Toyota ones, when mine went I
was charged over 1000 euro or ?s not sure but too much anyway.
They said the Cv was over 600 euro ? just for that bit.
The drive flange is the outer metal bit that has curves on the inside that
line up with the splines on the CV and is attached by nuts. You do need to
get this when replaceing the CV.
cheers
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
 
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Hi Simon,
Yes, that is the one.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Skype: julianvoelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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