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Michel,
That sounds like an iteresting claim. Do you mean the disks get
damaged frequently?
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Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
On 9/9/05, Michel de Ravel <[Email address removed]> wrote:
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Yes,=0D
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Not only on my vehicle, but my friend's also.=0D
I think it get very hot because of the thickness is too low, and when you=0D
get in rain or water (crossing a river) it goes unstable --> when you apply
brakes=0D
your hand goes crazy ! =0D
I have 7 friends having the same.=0D
What append also is that when the pads are finished ... you never know (no
noise=0D
or dash warning) then you have metal against metal !=0D
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Hope its clear.=0D
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Michel=0D
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-------Original Message-------=0D
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From: Roman=0D
Date: 09/09/05 14:59:15=0D
To: [Email address removed]=0D
Subject: Re: [ELCO] brake discs=0D
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Michel,=0D
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That sounds like an iteresting claim. Do you mean the disks get=0D
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'92 HDJ80=0D
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> I keep on having problems with my brake discs on my Landcruiser 100.=0D
> Toyota says the car is too heavy for the system ! in other words, the
brake discs and the pads=0D
> are to leight for this car.=0D
> I am sure there is a solution, upgrade kit or so...=0D
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> Now I change the discs every 20,000 Kms.=0D
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> Do you know about it ?=0D
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<DIV>Yes,</DIV>
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<DIV>Not only on my vehicle, but my friend's also.</DIV>
<DIV>I think it get very hot because of the thickness is too low, and when you</DIV>
<DIV>get in rain or water (crossing a river) it goes unstable --> when you apply brakes</DIV>
<DIV>your hand goes crazy ! </DIV>
<DIV>I have 7 friends having the same.</DIV>
<DIV>What append also is that when the pads are finished ... you never know (no noise</DIV>
<DIV>or dash warning) then you have metal against metal !</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Hope its clear.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Michel</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV id=3DIncrediOriginalMessage>-------Original Message-------</DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From: <A href=3D"mailto:[Email address removed]">Roman</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Date: 09/09/05 14:59:15</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">To: <A href=3D"mailto:[Email address removed]">[Email address removed]</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Subject: Re: [ELCO] brake discs</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Michel,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>That sounds like an iteresting claim. Do you mean the disks get</DIV>
<DIV>damaged frequently?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>--</DIV>
<DIV>Rgds,</DIV>
<DIV>Roman (London, UK)</DIV>
<DIV>'92 HDJ80</DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>On 9/9/05, Michel de Ravel <<A href=3D"mailto:[Email address removed]">[Email address removed]</A>> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> Hi All,</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> I keep on having problems with my brake discs on my Landcruiser 100.</DIV>
<DIV>> Toyota says the car is too heavy for the system ! in other words, the brake discs and the pads</DIV>
<DIV>> are to leight for this car.</DIV>
<DIV>> I am sure there is a solution, upgrade kit or so...</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> Now I change the discs every 20,000 Kms.</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> Do you know about it ?</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
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Michel, can you give us some more information please ?
What are the problems you are having ? Are the discs wearing out ( beccoming thin) , are they warping ( getting bent ) ?
Have you owned the vehicle from new ?
Have you always had brake problems ?
What pads are you using - Toyota or other make?
When did you last change the brake fluid. ?
How many garages have attempted to fix your problem ?
What did they do ?
The brakes on a correctly maintained 80 or 100 series Landcruiser are perfectly adequate to stop the vehicle when fully laden and / or with a braked trailer.
Please indicate where you are - country / city.
Regards Gareth Jones '97 1-HDFT S.Wales GB
 
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On 9/9/05, Michel de Ravel <[Email address removed]> wrote:

ly brakes
Are you using OEM disks? They are supposed to be ventilated type.
o noise
That I can understand, having replaced rear disk very recently when
the pads wore out and metal rubbed against metal.
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Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
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Hi Michael
Sure if Toy are saying that ans the parts are Toy see if they will give it
to you in wtiting that they have designed an inadiquate safety system/parts
for their own vehicle and so they will need to keep replacing them at their
expense. That sound like a weird statement for them to make.
John C
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I have asked them to put it in writing .... no reply.=0D
But the people who told me that was not a very high=0D
guy in Toy.=0D
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-------Original Message-------=0D
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Date: 09/09/05 15:17:26=0D
To: [Email address removed]=0D
Subject: Re: [ELCO] brake discs=0D
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Hi Michael=0D
Sure if Toy are saying that ans the parts are Toy see if they will give it=0D
to you in wtiting that they have designed an inadiquate safety system/parts=0D
for their own vehicle and so they will need to keep replacing them at their=0D
expense. That sound like a weird statement for them to make.=0D
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92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland=0D
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<DIV>I have asked them to put it in writing .... no reply.</DIV>
<DIV>But the people who told me that was not a very high</DIV>
<DIV>guy in Toy.</DIV>
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<DIV>Michel. </DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From: <A href=3D"mailto:[Email address removed]">John Byrne</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Date: 09/09/05 15:17:26</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">To: <A href=3D"mailto:[Email address removed]">[Email address removed]</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Subject: Re: [ELCO] brake discs</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Hi Michael</DIV>
<DIV>Sure if Toy are saying that ans the parts are Toy see if they will give it</DIV>
<DIV>to you in wtiting that they have designed an inadiquate safety system/parts</DIV>
<DIV>for their own vehicle and so they will need to keep replacing them at their</DIV>
<DIV>expense. That sound like a weird statement for them to make.</DIV>
<DIV>John C</DIV>
<DIV>92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland</DIV>
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Date: 09/09/05 15:09:37=0D
To: [Email address removed]=0D
Subject: Re: [ELCO] brake discs=0D
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Michel, can you give us some more information please ?=0D
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What are the problems you are having ? Are the discs wearing out (
beccoming thin) , are they warping ( getting bent ) ? bent=0D
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Have you owned the vehicle from new ? no, 9000 kms old. from dubai=0D
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Have you always had brake problems ? yes, now I try not to get into water
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What pads are you using - Toyota or other make? tried both=0D
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When did you last change the brake fluid. ? will check=0D
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How many garages have attempted to fix your problem ? two=0D
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What did they do ? replaced the discs=0D
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The brakes on a correctly maintained 80 or 100 series Landcruiser are
perfectly adequate to stop the vehicle when fully laden and / or with a
braked trailer.=0D
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Please indicate where you are - country / city. Mauritius=0D
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<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From: <A href=3D"mailto:[Email address removed]">Gareth Jones</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Date: 09/09/05 15:09:37</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">To: <A href=3D"mailto:[Email address removed]">[Email address removed]</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Subject: Re: [ELCO] brake discs</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Michel, can you give us some more information please ?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>What are the problems you are having ?  Are the discs wearing out ( beccoming thin) , are they warping ( getting bent ) ? bent</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Have you owned the vehicle from new ? no, 9000 kms old. from dubai</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Have you always had brake problems ? yes, now I try not to get into water when </DIV>
<DIV>I know the discs are very hot...they will buckle</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>What pads are you using - Toyota or other make? tried both</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>When did you last change the brake fluid. ? will check</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>How many garages have attempted to fix your problem ? two</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>What did they do ? replaced the discs</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The brakes on a correctly maintained 80 or 100 series Landcruiser are perfectly adequate to stop the vehicle when fully laden and / or with a braked trailer.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Please indicate where you are - country / city. Mauritius</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards Gareth Jones '97 1-HDFT S.Wales GB</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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From: Roman=0D
Date: 09/09/05 15:12:56=0D
To: [Email address removed]=0D
Subject: Re: [ELCO] brake discs=0D
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On 9/9/05, Michel de Ravel <[Email address removed]> wrote:=0D
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> Not only on my vehicle, but my friend's also.=0D
> I think it get very hot because of the thickness is too low, and when you=0D
> get in rain or water (crossing a river) it goes unstable --> when you
apply brakes=0D
> your hand goes crazy !=0D
> I have 7 friends having the same.=0D
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Are you using OEM disks? They are supposed to be ventilated type. Yes genuin
TOY parts.=0D
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=0D
> What append also is that when the pads are finished ... you never know (no
noise=0D
> or dash warning) then you have metal against metal !=0D
=0D
That I can understand, having replaced rear disk very recently when=0D
the pads wore out and metal rubbed against metal.=0D
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<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Date: 09/09/05 15:12:56</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">To: <A href=3D"mailto:[Email address removed]">[Email address removed]</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Subject: Re: [ELCO] brake discs</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>On 9/9/05, Michel de Ravel <<A href=3D"mailto:[Email address removed]">[Email address removed]</A>> wrote:</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>> Not only on my vehicle, but my friend's also.</DIV>
<DIV>> I think it get very hot because of the thickness is too low, and when you</DIV>
<DIV>> get in rain or water (crossing a river) it goes unstable --> when you apply brakes</DIV>
<DIV>> your hand goes crazy !</DIV>
<DIV>> I have 7 friends having the same.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Are you using OEM disks? They are supposed to be ventilated type. Yes genuin TOY parts.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>> What append also is that when the pads are finished ... you never know (no noise</DIV>
<DIV>> or dash warning) then you have metal against metal !</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>That I can understand, having replaced rear disk very recently when</DIV>
<DIV>the pads wore out and metal rubbed against metal.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>Rgds,</DIV>
<DIV>Roman (London, UK)</DIV>
<DIV>'92 HDJ80</DIV>
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On 9/9/05, Michel de Ravel <[Email address removed]> wrote:
Genuine disks, pads .... In such case you and your friends must be
having a lot more fun with your LC than we can over here ;-)
Changing bits at this rate I suppose you'd be better off by using
ceramic racing disks
--
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Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
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Michel,
Sounds an odd one. I would be inclined to complain to the Toyota
regional head quarters to see what they have to say.
One thing to look at, are the wheel nuts being over tightened with an
air gun - some say this can cause the rotors to warp.
The brake pads on the 80s have squeal shims on them so if they do start
to wear out you hear the squeal first before any damage is caused.
As a last straw, you might want to look into getting higher performance
disk - search for DBA in Australia.
One final point, are the brakes actually warping (you can check this
using a dial guage) or could it be something related to the ABS?
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Michel,
Sounds an odd one. I would be inclined to complain to the Toyota
regional head quarters to see what they have to say.
One thing to look at, are the wheel nuts being over tightened with an
air gun - some say this can cause the rotors to warp.
The brake pads on the 80s have squeal shims on them so if they do start
to wear out you hear the squeal first before any damage is caused.
As a last straw, you might want to look into getting higher performance
disk - search for DBA in Australia.
One final point, are the brakes actually warping (you can check this
using a dial guage) or could it be something related to the ABS?
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Date: 09/09/05 16:30:57=0D
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Subject: Re: [ELCO] brake discs=0D
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Michel,=0D
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Sounds an odd one. I would be inclined to complain to the Toyota=0D
regional head quarters to see what they have to say.=0D
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One thing to look at, are the wheel nuts being over tightened with an=0D
air gun - some say this can cause the rotors to warp. Will check.=0D
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The brake pads on the 80s have squeal shims on them so if they do start=0D
to wear out you hear the squeal first before any damage is caused.=0D
YES mine also, but the car is aircon and you never hear them wistling.=0D
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As a last straw, you might want to look into getting higher performance=0D
disk - search for DBA in Australia.=0D
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One final point, are the brakes actually warping (you can check this=0D
using a dial guage) or could it be something related to the ABS?=0D
Can you tell how thick it should be new ?=0D
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Regards,=0D
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Julian Voelcker=0D
Mobile: 07971 540362=0D
Cirencester, United Kingdom=0D
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift=0D
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European Land Cruiser Owners Mailing List=0D
Further Info: http://www.landcruisers.info/lists/
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<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From: <A href=3D"mailto:[Email address removed]">Julian Voelcker</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Date: 09/09/05 16:30:57</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">To: <A href=3D"mailto:[Email address removed]">[Email address removed]</A></DIV>
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<DIV>Michel,</DIV>
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<DIV>Sounds an odd one.  I would be inclined to complain to the Toyota</DIV>
<DIV>regional head quarters to see what they have to say.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>One thing to look at, are the wheel nuts being over tightened with an</DIV>
<DIV>air gun - some say this can cause the rotors to warp. Will check.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The brake pads on the 80s have squeal shims on them so if they do start</DIV>
<DIV>to wear out you hear the squeal first before any damage is caused.</DIV>
<DIV>YES mine also, but the car is aircon and you never hear them wistling.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As a last straw, you might want to look into getting higher performance</DIV>
<DIV>disk - search for DBA in Australia.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>One final point, are the brakes actually warping (you can check this</DIV>
<DIV>using a dial guage) or could it be something related to the ABS?</DIV>
<DIV>Can you tell how thick it should be new ?</DIV>
<DIV>--</DIV>
<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Julian Voelcker</DIV>
<DIV>Mobile: 07971 540362</DIV>
<DIV>Cirencester, United Kingdom</DIV>
<DIV>1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift</DIV>
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<DIV>European Land Cruiser Owners Mailing List</DIV>
<DIV>Further Info: <A href=3D"http://www.landcruisers.info/lists/">http://www.landcruisers.info/lists/</A></DIV></TD></TR>
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Hi Michel,
Sorry, no idea - a dealer should be able to tell you.
You can check for warping using a dial guage in a fixed position (like
clamped on the axle) and then angle it against the disk.
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Hi Michel,
Sorry, no idea - a dealer should be able to tell you.
You can check for warping using a dial guage in a fixed position (like
clamped on the axle) and then angle it against the disk.
--
Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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