difference between cruisers

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Hi Guys
I finally managed to get the guys to take my cruiser back to sort out the
vibrations caused by the faulty injector pump which they fixed late last
year.
They gave me me a 01 reg colorado 3.0 litre diesel to keep untill they sort
mine out.
But I would like to know why this colorado has much more nip to it than the
80 series I drive.
Is it because its newer, less mileage, lighter, or something else even with
the 3.0 engine its got a lot of poke.
thanks
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
 
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JB wrote...
But I would like to know why this colorado has much more nip to it than the
80 series I drive.
Is it because its newer, less mileage, lighter, or something else even with
the 3.0 engine its got a lot of poke.
SNIP
JB its a peach of an engine. Its a modern design with turbo which is
where the zip comes from. We have had several in an office fleet and
they have been great. So much so that they were favoured in place of
the 80's when it came for renewal. They also have nearly the same
ground clearance as the 80, but the IFS steering gear and front
suspension are not as rugged as the 80's beam axle.
I am sure that Craig would say that the current design is even much
better than this as it will be the modern injection system.
I would certainly go for one when my 80 and Pajero are due to renewal
- if only ;o)
Cheers
Jon
Tring,Herts
'92 HZJ80 ex UN Bosnia surplus - remember text only formatting and
not HTML please folks !
 
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John,
The colorado had at least two engines. I had a 2002 one with the
D-4D engine and it was a flier. The earlier one not so much but still
good. Your answer lies in the fact that it is a more modern engine
design. There is usually a trade of and I did hear rumours of
reliability issues with the colorado when pushed. I also heard, in
Iceland, that the injectors in the later engines do not like modern
diesel and have to be replaced. They were rumoured to be close on =A3300
each. I found out that the central computer would cost =A37,000 if I
needed a new one.
All this is one of the 80's strengths, it is probably the last
cruiser that you can go at with normal tools and knowledge. Break down
with an 80 and you are in with a chance. This chance diminishes as the
models get newer.
Regards,
Clive Marks
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Hey Jon
How are you ,hope your keeping water tight.
Thanks as usual, I dont know if I would favour the colorador over the 80.
Its my fist time to drive one, I know I lead a sheltered life poor old me
but I was impressed with the response.
If they have improved in such a big way would the 100 series be
the ---------- of the cruisers far surpassing the 80 series in every way.
Just curious still holding on to the 80.
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
 
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Hey Clive
Thanks, computer ?7000 are you serious, whats the change of that packing up,
ill keep the 80 but still the 100 looks so good but will have to wait for
about 10 years to get one I think.
Thats the engine in this thing the D4D.
So would it pull and carry the same loads
It does lack the roar of the 6 cylinder and the bonnet too.
Do you know what it weighs in at.
thanks
john 92HDJ 80 1HDT
 
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John,
It won't pull and carry the same loads. The towing limit for the
colorado is 2.8t, the 80 3.5t.
The weights were in the owners handbook and I don't have that now.
Regards,
Clive Marks
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Hi guys
I agree with Clive to the top of my hat-I read somewhere that the HDJ80 is
the 'LAST TRUE SRUISER'
I don't remember if I posted my test driving of that 'tough' Colorado with
20tkm on the clock and auto gearbox-mine outperform it in any
way-accelerated faster , was as quiet as Colorado,better comfort and better
response with the cruise control....
cheers
Lubo
HDJ80 96mod,250tkm on the clock
PS : BTW I saw HDJ80 in Germany for sale got 700TKM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: "Clive Marks" <[Email address removed]>
To: <[Email address removed]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:00 PM
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John,
The colorado had at least two engines. I had a 2002 one with the
D-4D engine and it was a flier. The earlier one not so much but still
good. Your answer lies in the fact that it is a more modern engine
design. There is usually a trade of and I did hear rumours of
reliability issues with the colorado when pushed. I also heard, in
Iceland, that the injectors in the later engines do not like modern
diesel and have to be replaced. They were rumoured to be close on ?300
each. I found out that the central computer would cost ?7,000 if I
needed a new one.
All this is one of the 80's strengths, it is probably the last
cruiser that you can go at with normal tools and knowledge. Break down
with an 80 and you are in with a chance. This chance diminishes as the
models get newer.
Regards,
Clive Marks
Home: +44 1293 514600
Mobile: +44 7821 491897
Skype: Cobminor
Crawley, West Sussex, UK.

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Well, yes, I think you're right about the 100, or maybe the 105, except
for in looks (80 looks better, particularly without side mouldings and
steps) and in field repairability, particularly if compared to a HZJ-80
(1HZ) version.
The 100 has e.g. an even stronger and more rigid frame, and is more comfy,
but at a hefty price. (My 100 was more than twice the price of my 80, at
toyota-direct pricing)
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Ugo Hu, Oslo, Norway
HDJ100 AHC 2001, ex HZJ80 1997
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:22:19 +0200, John Byrne <[Email address removed]>
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On 4/18/07, Lubo <[Email address removed]> wrote:
Can't argue with that. "Going fast nowhere" is the phrase that comes
to ones mind. The modern electronics laden cruisers will not be around
before they reach the age of my HDJ80.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
 
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Roman,
The other question is how long an 80 series can last, ie how long can an 80
series be kept running. Although they might not be as dependant on
electronics to check the presence of four wheels and a driver before they
can be driven, are they not without some essential and dedicated electronic
parts themselves?
On that basis perhaps the last true land cruiser was the 60 series or early
70 series with a 3B engine? Best people to ask or make the judgement is the
users in Africa and Asia (the ones without guns on the back) and I think I
know what they would go for - 70 series pickup.
(Can't remember anyone ever talking about the last true Land Rover - perhaps
they are still waiting for a TRUE LAND ROVER!) (Sorry LR owners but I think
it's true!)
Malcolm
Malcolm Bagley
Stafford UK
FJ45 '75 & FJ45 '76
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Sent: 19 April 2007 12:31
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On 4/18/07, Lubo <[Email address removed]> wrote:
Can't argue with that. "Going fast nowhere" is the phrase that comes
to ones mind. The modern electronics laden cruisers will not be around
before they reach the age of my HDJ80.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80

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Malcolm
| (Can't remember anyone ever talking about the last true Land Rover
perhaps
| they are still waiting for a TRUE LAND ROVER!) (Sorry LR owners but I
| think
| it's true!)
I find that passengers are surprised both at how comfortable and
civilised my 80 is, but also at how simple - even agricultural - it is
by modern standards.
In some ways an 80 series is what the True Range Rover might have become
had it not aimed more at the limousine market.
I think Toyota have been quite canny in the way that they are now
splitting their product range into the "true", (spartan, slow, simple,
robust) off-roader for aid agencies and the like; and the trendy, retro,
"designer" (but still capable) version for people who want a toy. Both
of these will make money, whereas the compromise vehicle - in my view
typified by the 100 series - would probably not please either group.
Although I'd be very happy with a 100 series!
As far as the Prado/Colorado comparisons go: I know a couple round here
of about the same vintage as my 80 and they are showing engine problems.
But these, obviously, pre-date the D-4D motor. I too shall be very
interested to see what happens when all these high pressure injection
pump systems start to arrive at the 8 years old/100k miles point...
Interestingly when I bought my 80 back in 2001 the salesman tried to
steer me towards a Colorado - not because he had one, but because he
said it was more car-like to drive.
Christopher Bell
Devon, UK
1996 1HD-FT
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