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Hi Guys
Now I am really getting brave, well at least in my book.
Never did anything with the electrics before untill now. I bought a set of
spots but then had to buy one of these wiring looms for the spots.
Now I have every thing nearly done but am stuck on one wire .
I dont know what to connect it to.
I have it marked with an arrow and would love some help.
Thanks
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
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John
The quality of that image is too poor for me to read the writing, and
unfortunately there are three possible answers:
(1) The switch makes a circuit with earth to switch on those spots, in
which case that lead needs to connect to the dashboard +12v instrument
light supply so that it lights up when the lights are on.
(2) The switch needs a 12v source to switch on the relay, in which case
it needs to be connected to something that is at +12v when main beam is
switched on.
(3) Neither of the above.
So what do the words in the bubble box say?
Christopher Bell
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| Hi Guys
| Now I am really getting brave, well at least in my book.
| Never did anything with the electrics before untill now. I
| bought a set of spots but then had to buy one of these wiring
| looms for the spots.
| Now I have every thing nearly done but am stuck on one wire .
| I dont know what to connect it to.
| I have it marked with an arrow and would love some help.
| Thanks
| John C
| 92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
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Looks as if the wire with the bubble and arrow may be for an
independent warning light if the switch does not have one.
Regards, Clive.
On 11/18/05, Christopher Bell <[Email address removed]> wrote:
 
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Hi Christopher
Thanks for the reply.
I sent another image to your off list e-mail will you get it . The box says
connect to the wire of the park light. Its short only about12 inches long
and red. If you want I can explain the whole diagram to you. There is three
wires to the back of the switch ,one black, one red ,and one blue.
Cheers
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT ireland
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
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John
The quality of that image is too poor for me to read the writing, and
unfortunately there are three possible answers:
(1) The switch makes a circuit with earth to switch on those spots, in
which case that lead needs to connect to the dashboard +12v instrument
light supply so that it lights up when the lights are on.
(2) The switch needs a 12v source to switch on the relay, in which case
it needs to be connected to something that is at +12v when main beam is
switched on.
(3) Neither of the above.
So what do the words in the bubble box say?
Christopher Bell
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| Hi Guys
| Now I am really getting brave, well at least in my book.
| Never did anything with the electrics before untill now. I
| bought a set of spots but then had to buy one of these wiring
| looms for the spots.
| Now I have every thing nearly done but am stuck on one wire .
| I dont know what to connect it to.
| I have it marked with an arrow and would love some help.
| Thanks
| John C
| 92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
|
| The message is ready to be sent with the following file or
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Hi Clive
The switch has a light on it, so could it be for that.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
 
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John,
If the switch has a light on it then it is probably automatically
lit when then the lights come on. If it is telling you to connect it
to the park light it will be for switch illumination, as opposed to
the warning light for the spot lamps.
Regards, Clive.
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Hi Clive
So what do I connect it to.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
 
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Sorry, John.
This image is too poor to make out the details.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
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Hi Roman
Thanks any way if the last image is not clear then Ill draw the image.
John C
92HDJ 80 1Hdt Ireland
 
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John,
Looking at the circuit I would half expect the lights to work
without the wire connected, I just think that your switch would not
illuminate. If everything else is connected have you tried it?
Regards, Clive.
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Hi clive
I only got it before it got dark, since then a few glasses of wine.
Ill try it in the light and see. If it is only to light the switch up what
would I connect it to, the battery or something else.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT ireland
 
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You could connect it to any of the sidelight lines or headlamp relay
switching lines. In short, connect to anything that becomes live when
you put the side lights on. You could try and connect it in to the
rest of the panel lights.
Regards, Clive.
 
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Hi Clive
Thanks for that info, whatever about trying to connect it to the battery
but for me to try to connect it to the wiring that supplies the lights. O I
dont know about that, I already have the most unique brake peddle on the
list, in that when I press the brakes the side lights and all the normal
lights on the dash come on. Very interesting indeed. I dont think I could
mess around with the wiring just in case I have more weird problems. Ill
think about that , but if I decide to connect it all up tomorrow all I have
to do is find a (red)live wire going to or from the lights and connect this
wire to it. Seems simple enough. Famous last words while the cruiser changes
colour and starts to glow a bright red/orange colour while a gentle plume of
smoke turns into a gigantic plume of thick black smoke. Thats just the
reflection in the mirror from me on fire.
thanks clive
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
 
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John,
Try the lights without this wire first, if I am right then the
lights will work but the switch will not illuminate. If this is not so
then dont do anything more until you have the circuit sussed.
Just had another look at the circuit. This wire could be the
switch illumination, as discussed, it could also be the live feed for
the relay coil. If the lights work without it then it is the
illumination. If they dont work then it is the coil feed and you have
to connect it in to the sidelights somewhere.
Regards, Clive.
 
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John
| Hope this one is better, the box says connect to the wire of the park
light.
Thanks for the slightly clearer jpeg.
OK. We still don't know whether the blue lead is -ve or +ve switching,
but it doesn't really matter as it's now clear what you should do: that
red lead needs to be connected to something that goes to +12v when the
sidelights are on. But we don't know whether this is needed just to
illuminate the switch or whether this also provides power to switch that
relay.
So leave the red wire disconnected (and out of the way), connect up
everything else and turn the switch on. If the spots come on then we
know it's just for illumination and you can leave it disconnected if you
want, or connect it to other the dashboard lights if you want the switch
to light up. If the spots don't come on then you know that you need a
good solid 12v feed to run that relay.
Assuming that you do need to connect it then, unless anyone else has any
better ideas, I would suggest pulling out your radio and having a look
at the power leads round the back. Most vehicles are wired with two +ve
leads for a radio: one is the power supply, but the other is for radio
illumination when you turn the vehicle lights on.
I don't know if the TLC has this, but it's worth a try as there are
almost certainly some spare sockets back there. Take the radio out. Get
your multimeter (you do have one, don't you?), set it to the DC volts
scale, connect the -ve side to chassis earth (any bare metal), turn the
sidelights on and stick the other lead into all the sockets on any plug
you can find in there till you find +12v.
Now turn the sidelights off. If the voltage drops to zero you've found a
likely candidate. Turn the sidelights back on and adjust the dashboard
dimmer knob from max to min. If the multimeter needle moves up and down
you've found a feed from the dash lighting circuit (adequate to light up
a switch, but not to run a relay). If the needle doesn't move you've got
your "parking light", alias sidelight, feed.
If the spots worked WITHOUT that red wire connected then you can connect
the red wire to either the sidelight circuit or the circuit that runs
off the dimmer. (This is because the current to run the bulb won't
overload the latter.)
If the spots did NOT work with that red wire disconnected then you must
only connect to the sidelight circuit, as the current required to run a
relay could damage the dash lighting circuit.
I hope that's clear. To summarise: anything in the dash area that
- provides +12v when the sidelights are on
- zero when they are off
- and doesn't react to the dimmer knob
Is a safe candidate.
Christopher Bell
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Hello guys,
I've managed to enhance the image sufficiently to see that:
The blue wire provides current (via the switch) to the relay coil,
because the relay has its own 0V terminal.
Why they advise the user to connect the spot lights to the parking
lights circuit is a mystery to me. According to the UK regulations
(they may be different in IRL as they enjoy lfe in its fulness) spot
lights may be used only with the high beam and must have a telltale
lamp. This switch will do that but you will have to fumble in the dark
to find it.
There is little advantage in having the spots operated independently
of the high beam lights and the stalk switch is the easiest way to
turn them on, and especially off when another car comes round the
corner.
If configured like above, the two way switch supplied with the harness
is only used to activate or deactivate the spots when the high beam
lights are turned on.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
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Sorry, folks. I ment the RED wire
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
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Hi Roman
Do you mean the blue wire you refere to is the red wire.
SNIP
The blue wire provides current (via the switch) to the relay coil,
because the relay has its own 0V terminal.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
 
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Roman wrote -
"Sorry, folks. I ment the RED wire"
Roman - don't ever go in for bomb disposal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Will you be with us on Sunday ? You can clip me round the ear for being so cheeky.
Regards Gareth.
 
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Gareth,
I guess I should've stayed in bed to cure my bad cold. Alas, I'm going
to see you next time round.
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Rgds,
Roman (London, UK)
'92 HDJ80
On 11/19/05, Gareth Jones <[Email address removed]> wrote:
so cheeky.
 
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