First Cruiser for me

[Paul Dolan]

Hi my name is Paul I have just traded my 2002 Patrol on a 100 series 2002 model Cruiser and so far really happy,I've only had it about 2 weeks.

It has 255,000 k on it and drives really well,It has a few rattles I need to find but every thing else is really nice for it's age.

Paul

 

[Shayne]

Hi Paul welcome to this usually very lively forum a lot of members are from the UK and will be in bed at 2:46am but if you click the map tag you will see users from many different locations and time zones . Congrats on your purchase i am sure we will all be keen to hear how it compares to the Trol

 

[AndycruiserguyLomas]

Hi Paul and welcome, that really looks a smart truck.

 

[Brian S]

Very Nice
Welcome aboard Paul

 

[clivehorridge]

Welcome Paul, nice to see a satisfied convert!

Good looking truck there!

A lad I know here has a good looking 2000 white 2 door troll, but he confesses to having loads of trouble with the fuel lines and the electrics.

I suppose it's the luck of the draw with any vehicle, but he always remarks how much he likes my 80 series.

I've always had great respect for the troll, especially the solid front axle type similar to the 80.

The transmission is supposed to be even stronger than the 80, bigger diameter drive shafts and a better front differential.

But they do rust badly, the lad's white one has had extensive body panel repairs to cut the rust out.

At 21 years old, my 80 has some, but nothing in comparison.

 

[Paul Dolan]

Thanks for the welcome and replys guys and yeh pretty happy with it so far seems good on fuel and tows the boat really well but going from a 4 cyl to a 6 I suppose that is expected especially with the after market turbo fitted ,but I've been told I should take it off ?

Paul

 

[GeekOKent]

nice looking truck there, I was going to ask if its a 105, based on the steels on there.

w.r.t the turbo, there is a lot of content on the internet about good / bad and wins/ loses from after market turbo's on the 1HZ engine. Is there a specific reason the mechanic recommended getting this one removed ? Do you know when it was put on and who did it and what kit etc was used ?

Regards

 

[80=4ever]

Welcome Paul, your Turbo will make a difference when pulling your boat and if you take it off I am sure you will wish you hadn't.

 

[Paul Dolan]

nice looking truck there, I was going to ask if its a 105, based on the steels on there.

w.r.t the turbo, there is a lot of content on the internet about good / bad and wins/ loses from after market turbo's on the 1HZ engine. Is there a specific reason the mechanic recommended getting this one removed ? Do you know when it was put on and who did it and what kit etc was used ?

Regards

Hi thanks for the reply,I have no idea on when the turbo was fitted and have no idea what kit was used and the mechanic just said the engine wasn't designed for a turbo and could cause problems,I don't drive it hard and just use it to tow my boats ,I'm not mechanically minded at all and just drive cars and let people that know about them work on them ,I would like to find the previous 2 owners owner though and ask them

Regards Paul

 

[Paul Dolan]

Welcome Paul, your Turbo will make a difference when pulling your boat and if you take it off I am sure you will wish you hadn't.

Yes I have been told that and the reason I asked the question I just don't want any more motor problems I had enough of that with the Patrol

 

[80=4ever]

Well if you decide to take the turbo off please let me know, I would buy it and fit it to my eighty

 

[clivehorridge]

I've toyed with the idea of fitting a turbo, but there's so much written on the pros and cons of aftermarket turbos on the 1HZ that I've decided not to.

Clearly the engine is very different from the 1HD, notably different pistons and the compression ratio is way higher on the 1HZ, to name but 2.

The biggest concern (from what I've read) is keeping the boost low. I'm not too familiar with what this actually means and how you would monitor it (with a boost gauge I presume) and how you would adjust it if found to be too high.

There's nightmare stories of melting pistons and cracking heads... but that wouldn't mean (if it were mine) that I'd remove it withithout having it checked out properly.

You need to find a specialist who's familiar with this engine to advise you.

Your guy is right, this engine isn't designed for a turbo, but there's plenty of 1HZ engines with turbos fitted doing very nicely for themselves... you have to research and decide what to do.

Hopefully some good advice will come your way from members here...

 

[Paul Dolan]

Thanks for the reply Clive it's much appreciated ,The mechanic that I've spoken to is a cruiser owner and seems to think it should go but I'm concerned about the drop in power not that I drive hard just for towing the boats I suppose it's a decision I'll have to make
Regards Paul

 

[Paul Dolan]

Well if you decide to take the turbo off please let me know, I would buy it and fit it to my eighty

Will do 80=4ever

 

[Shayne]

Thanks for the reply Clive it's much appreciated ,The mechanic that I've spoken to is a cruiser owner and seems to think it should go but I'm concerned about the drop in power not that I drive hard just for towing the boats I suppose it's a decision I'll have to make
Regards Paul

Aye go on his truck i bet .

A turbo just assists an engine doing what it does naturally , it just rams more air in so you can burn more fuel which ups the power . More power = less work to get you up to speed . A turbo has a wastegate which can be set to release pressure at any psi you choose , a racing TD might be boosting over 30 psi and a standard 90 series between 6 and 9 psi .

If its set up with sensible goals i really can't see how it can do any harm , its just air ?

All engines can be tuned until they self destruct , just add more fuel and more air for quicker sprint times until you give it just a smidgen too much so it contradicts the timing and pistons crack or con rods bend .

 

[GeekOKent]

Just my 2p worth of experience, fitting a for turbo air filter caused the 1hz to lose a bit of grunt. Going back to the for-nonturbo air filter fixed that. Its the kinda thing that makes me feel there might be a few corner nuances that contribute to the overall should-i-turbo the 1hz decision.

Am in the same camp as Clive here. Have decided to not go the turbo way, for now. It does mean driving to the vehicles character a bit.

 

[Shayne]

That's going along the same lines Gok the filter allowed your naturally aspirated motor to breathe easier hence your fuel ran lean and you lost power . If you were to put the turbo filter back in and turn up the fuel a touch you would have more power .

Getting the fuel to air ration right for an efficient burn is the hard part .

I'm no expert of course and i'm happy to be corrected .

 

[clivehorridge]

Have decided to not go the turbo way, for now. It does mean driving to the vehicles character a bit.

I like that GOK, it's a lovely way to put it

TBH, my old girl has 21 years and 390k km (242k miles) behind her.

I'm a bit afraid to load it with anything more than it can do by itself, but since I've owned it, I've driven it hard and it's improved no end. It's much more responsive and runs more economically than when I bought it.

There's almost no crankcase pressure, no leaks and uses no oil.

I also like the simplicity of no turbo, it's less to worry about and maintain. I don't tow anything and I'm also getting older and can't be arsed whooshing off at the traffic lights

Sometimes she's a bit of a slug on the hills, but me and her have an understanding

 

[clivehorridge]

Thanks for the reply Clive it's much appreciated ,The mechanic that I've spoken to is a cruiser owner and seems to think it should go but I'm concerned about the drop in power not that I drive hard just for towing the boats I suppose it's a decision I'll have to make
Regards Paul

Put it this way, if I was paying over a grand to have a turbo fitted, I'd want to be sure that it was set up properly. I'd guess that was the PO's quest as your truck is no amature bodge-up by the looks of it!

For this reason I wouldn't be too hasty to remove it.

However, personally I'd like to learn more about turbos (if I had one) and the way they may affect the engine, good or bad. As Shayne says, it's just more air. Well maybe it is, but there's obviously concern out there otherwise there wouldn't be so many cautionary posts on the subject.

I heard that 1.0 BAR was the recommended max, which is 14 lb so with a boost gauge fitted, you'd know if you should be worried or not.

They're not expensive and not difficult to fit (or have fitted).

 

[chapel gate]

I agree with shane really. As said, a turbo fires more air in.Boost wont kill an engine, the restriction on how much boost you can run is the turbo itself and what its designed to run at. The ct26 max safe psi is about 15psi, thats what i run mine at. G turbos run near to 30 psi.

what will kill the engine is high egts, and good old fashioned putting strain on the engine.

I have egt, and boost gauge, and a boost controller. You really should have a egt gauge, especially if your towing.