For all those that don't service your own vehicle (long)

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Morning All,
Had a drink and a great chat last night with an old list member Paul
Mills last night (keen overlander signed off due to too much work at
the moment).
He has a '93 80 that he gets serviced through either a local dealer or
4x4 shop. He mentioned that his birfields/cv joints were starting to
click and when I looked at them before he left the knuckles were
encrusted in a combination of oil/grease/mud/rust and looking at the
wiper seals it looked like there was very little grease in the
knuckles.
As far as I am aware dealers and most 3rd party garages don't do any
servicing on these items, only touching them when there is a problem
which is when it gets expensive. However there are a number of checks
that anyone of you can do to keep an eye on the health of these items.
For example:
When the garage changes any of the fluids, ask them to check the
condition of the oils they remove (they very seldom do) - grey sludge
in the diff oils is an indication that breathers might be blocked and
the inner seals are on their way out - dealing with these early can
save the cost of replacing the birfields, driveshafts, etc.
Another indication of the above problems is if you have oil residue or
leaking from the ball at the end of the axle.
Also whilst looking at the ball, if is is very dry, rusty or caked in
oiley mud, it could also be an indication of potential problems.
Ideally they should be clean and just lightly lubricated by grease.
If the seals are on their way out they won't be wiping the dirt off.
If there isn't much grease in the knuckle it won't be being wiped
across the ball leading to rusting. On one LC I looked at last week it
was obvious that the knuckle was only about 1/4 full because only the
bottom part of the ball was relativley clean and lightly grease, the
top part was bone dry and starting to rust. Ideally the knuckle should
be about 3/4 full.
Another check that you can yourself is to jack up each corner and
holding the wheel at the top and the bottom see if you can get it to
wobble - if the wheel bearings are loose you will feel a definite small
clunk as you wobble it. The TLC wheel bearings are very strong so it
takes a lot to get to the point where they are grinding and you can
hear it as you drive, however driving around with loose bearings will
affect the handling and can result in damage to the axle, driveshafts
and ultimately the Birfields which all starts to get a bit expensive.
These are all pretty basic checks that anybody with enough confidence
to drive should be able to tackle themselves. They are also the sort
of checks that you should be carrying out on any vehicle that you might
end up buying.
Ideally you should look to get the birfields and wheel bearings
stripped down and re-packed every 20-30,000 miles. The seals and
grease shouldn't come to much more than ?50 and then it should take an
experienced mechanic about 8-10hrs to do all four corners if done
thorougly, it takes less time if items like the bearings and birfields
are being replaced (they don't have to be cleaned/degreased).
Obviously if items do need to be replaced the costs go up, but if you
source the parts from Milners it can work out a lot cheaper than going
to Toyota. Here are some guide prices:
Front Axle seal kit - ?30 (?184 per corner from Toyota!!)
Toyota inner axle seal - ?8.50 each (better than the Milner ones - one
for each corner)
Wheel bearing lock washer - ?0.85 each (one for each corner).
Knuckle swivel bearing - ?8.50 each (two for each front corner)
Outer wheel bearings - ?9.50 (one per corner)
Inner Wheel bearings - ?15 (one per corner)
Birfield - ?80 (one per front corner)
In the next couple of weeks I'm going to be taking a (non mechanical)
list member through a complete service and the regular checks that he
should be doing to maintain the health of his 80 prior to dissappearing
off to North Africa and it has got me thinking....
If there are enough interested people from the list I would be willing
to run a workshop one Saturday or Sunday taking people through regular
checks to do and servicing. Looking at the exorbitant prices that
dealers charge you should be able to halve your servicing costs by
doing it yourself as well as prevent more expensive to repair damage
occurring.
What do you think?
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Hi Julian
Will you be doing a write up for us foreigners.
John C
92HDJ 80 1HDT Ireland
 
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Hi John,
If there is enough interest I probably would throw together some
'course notes' on the website.
It is something that I have been thinking about and one of the things I
want to do is to build up an archive of photos of things like leakey
breathers, rusty knuckle joints, etc so that people have a better idea
of what they are looking for.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Julian
I'd certainly be interested in a course on axle maintenance, since I have a CV joint starting to "clonk" on load + full lock.
Christopher Bell
Devon, UK
1996 1HD-FT
| If there are enough interested people from the list I would be willing | to run a workshop one Saturday or Sunday taking people through regular | checks to do and servicing. Looking at the exorbitant prices that
| dealers charge you should be able to halve your servicing costs by
| doing it yourself as well as prevent more expensive to repair damage
| occurring.
 
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Morning All,
OK, so that's three so far. Any other takers or are you all out
sunning yourselves?
I'll aim to do it probably on a Saturday or a Sunday which I guess will
be more convenient for you guys although I won't have access to the
workshop space I use so we will have to pray for good weather ;-)
I can either hold it here (near Cirencester, Gloucestershire - see
http://tinyurl.com/9ot5f) or we could combine it with the trip/meet up
to Salisbury Plain, it really depends on how much detail you guys would
like to go into.
We can either do a walk around, pull off a wheel and prod things whilst
talking about them or actually do a service and axle rebuild which will
take a whole day (you wouldn't have to stay for all of it), but at
least you would see what was involved.
I guess I would need to know what you wanted to learn.
The only possible spanner in the works is that we have another baby due
any day now. It is supposed to arrive in the first week of September,
but may well end up arriving in the next week or so, so I can't commit
to a date in the next 3-4 weeks.
Let me know what you think.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Julian
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| I can either hold it here (near Cirencester, Gloucestershire - see
| http://tinyurl.com/9ot5f) or we could combine it with the trip/meet up | to Salisbury Plain, it really depends on how much detail you guys would
| like to go into.
Cirencester is easy for me and, if possible, I'd rather learn how to take something apart & put it back together again. I can "walk round and prod things" with the aid of a Haynes manual myself, but I lack John's courage to dive in with a spanner!
| The only possible spanner in the works is that we have another baby due
| any day now. It is supposed to arrive in the first week of September, | but may well end up arriving in the next week or so, so I can't commit | to a date in the next 3-4 weeks.
Good luck with the whelping. If my experience of new fatherhood is anything to go by you will be so zonked with lack of sleep that you will be likely to top up the radiator with oil & the engine with water ...
Christopher Bell
 
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hi Fred,
what, can't you make it over to gloucestershire ;-)
btw, ot, i know that you do webby work - are you doing that on yuour
travels or proper work?
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regards,
julian voelcker
mobile: 07971 540362
cirencester, united kingdom
1994 hdj80, 2.5" ome lift
 
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Hi Christopher,
OK, I guess it can be more informative. A chance to get your hands dirty
and to realise that it isn't really rocket science.
I've been planning on opening up my front axle for a while so we could do
that (wheel bearing repack, birfield repack) or could do someone else's.
I could do what I did with Renate, where she paid me to do the work on her
car and then she and a friend assisted and learnt what to do?
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Julian
Well I'd volunteer for a "Pay As You Learn" change of my front LH CV joint.
Christopher
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| Hi Christopher,
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| > I'd rather learn how to take something apart & put it back
| together again.
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| OK, I guess it can be more informative. A chance to get your hands dirty
| and to realise that it isn't really rocket science.
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| I've been planning on opening up my front axle for a while so we could do
| that (wheel bearing repack, birfield repack) or could do someone else's.
|
| I could do what I did with Renate, where she paid me to do the work on her
| car and then she and a friend assisted and learnt what to do?
 
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OK, so we have a suspension upgrade and a birfield replacent to do.
Any other takers?
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Hi Dennis,
That was really sticky stuff. Where I regularly go off road in the
winter the ground is exactly the same a mix of clay and chalk that sets
like stone.
Neither the brute force of a high pressure washer or the gentle effect
of a sprinkler shifts the stuff, you have to get in underneath and poke
it out with a screwdriver.
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Regards,
Julian Voelcker
Mobile: 07971 540362
Cirencester, United Kingdom
1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift
 
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Quoting Julian Voelcker <[Email address removed]>:
"Proper work"! Whatthefuck is proper work? Sounds fatal to me and I advise all
sane men to avoid it! I mean, what else do we get wives for if it's not to
fund our reckless and hedonistic lifestyles?
Web Dev when work permits allow. Safari work if the job is cash in hand but I
really need a bigger vehicle if I want to get serious, especially as I've had
a few enquiries about Nairobi to SA work. Something like a 75 or 76 series
ambulance conversion will do the job.
Stay well,
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