Ineos Grenadier

[karl2000]

France not Wales. Disappointed.

Ineos boss opts to build 'British' heir to Land Rover Defender in France

Vocal Brexiter Sir Jim Ratcliffe vowed to make new Grenadier 4x4 in Bridgend but has now bought car plant at Hambach

www.theguardian.com

 

[Iwan]

He was very vocal about brexit, now this tells a story of the reality of it?

Maybe He is part of the disaster capitalist's who will gleen from a no deal result?

But has to save His other interests.

 

[Grimbo]

Has anyone got a decent look at this yet ?
On paper it should be reasonable but sadly not going to be a 79 or 80 series replacement ....

 

[Shayne]

No surprise to me given its a euro parts bin special besides Britain no longer has the tooling to make anything , but hey who here wouldn't much prefer a Jap parts bin special

I was reading an article this morning that captured unintentionally much of what i was voting against and all these years later it still seems to me nobody not politicians or media anyway have grasped the concept that Brexiteers weren't voting for some mystical future of milk and honey , there was no malice or prejudice no dreams of historical empire but rather they were rejecting a predetermined and half realized plan .

To reverse inequality, we need to expose the myth of the ‘free market’

We need an informed public that sees through the poisonous myth billionaires want us to believe: that income is a measure of your market worth

www.theguardian.com

 

[Grimbo]

Totally agree .... most knew leaving was going to bring short term pain but prefer that to a gradual long slow death as the EU experiment finally reaches the end and implodes .....
In the league chart of most despised people Politicians and the Mainstream Media have jumped way up the chart now ranking joint first over Bankers and Estate Agents who previously held top spot .....all said in a Tony Blackburn style ;-)

 

[chapel gate]

France not Wales. Disappointed.

Ineos boss opts to build 'British' heir to Land Rover Defender in France

Vocal Brexiter Sir Jim Ratcliffe vowed to make new Grenadier 4x4 in Bridgend but has now bought car plant at Hambach

www.theguardian.com

i was disappointed too. the mans a hypocrite. just how much money does an individual want?
make a bit less cash, do something nice, support british jobs and skills. personally i would take great pride and satisfaction from that, even if i made a little less cash..

 

[karl2000]

make a bit less cash, do something nice, support british jobs and skills. personally i would take great pride and satisfaction from that, even if i made a little less cash..

Exactly right!

 

[SteveJB]

Ineos Grenadier Defector sounds about right

 

[Grimbo]

I'll never be a millionaire but even to my mind it seems a little strange to alienate your biggest customer base by building the vehicle in the land of cheese eating surrender monkeys ;-)

 

[SteveJB]

Another two pennies worth so as we are not that well liked and being RHD for the UK built by du French will it end up by being known as the Ineos Defective

 

[Shayne]

What customer base ?

In 2011 the owner of the company, the Regional Government of Andalusia, decided to close the Santana Motor company and its car factory and 1,341 people were laid off or retired prematurely.[1][9] From 6,692 cars made in 2007, the company manufactured 1,197 in 2009 and as few as 769 in 2010.

 

[Grimbo]

I was referring to potential purchasers in the UK who have LR Defenders and don't fancy buying the current gizmo laden , software crash prone offering from JLR ...
also those that want a vehicle with a chassis that can have other body's mounted on the back .... many of them still buy into the Union flag waving Landrover brand .

 

[Shayne]

Yeah i know but will anybody ever actually accept it as the new defender ? I gather the santana above was built in partnership with LR but offered sensible upgrades like disk brakes and stuff so why did we never see more of them ?

Ford has just cornered the market for anyone wanting a more hardcore 4x4 .

 

[Higgy]

I guess he got France and the UK together, And said, right who's gonna give me the best deal? The best Tax breaks etc etc, And we all know the UK government hates any body being successful Just look at the extortionate Business rates for small businesses in the UK....... He's probably thinking about his Potential customer base Only he knows where he thinks they are going to do well... I should imagine the USA is at the top of his list.... Followed by Europe, Im just guessing. Not sure about Australia/ Africa.. Their Loyalties probably lay else where.......... It will be Crap anyway .......

 

[flint]

Apparently it's the French factory where Mercedes build Smart cars, nice and close to the German border, handy for the BMW engines and other EU sourced parts.
He's done a Dyson (who seems to be buying up as much UK farm land as possible), another true Brexit loving patriot !

 

[Grimbo]

I gather the santana above was built in partnership with LR but offered sensible upgrades like disk brakes and stuff so why did we never see more of them ?

The Santana had leaf springs and was a sideways step from a Defender ....it had a better engine but leaf springs and slightly iffy Spanish build quality so in other ways was pretty close to the Defender ;-)

 

[Shayne]

It was a defective pretender of a defender which brings us full circle back to the question what customer base . I predict Ineos buyers will soon grow tired of being told "you could have bought a proper one for that price"

 

[Grimbo]

Agree , not sure where they aim to steal sales apart from those that want a rugged chassis based vehicle for conversions , and that will only be if they make a chassis cab version , otherwise people will be buying pickups and doing conversions on them .
I begin to wonder if any vehicle development of diesel and petrol engine vehicles will take place now , most product that is undergoing test currently will be the last in the line.... for UK and probably most of Europe the Grenadier has a 10 year lifespan before new sales are stopped , Toyota typically in the past has about a 10 year lifespan of a model before it's upgraded and refreshed.... of course diesel will continue in the rest of the world for many decades to come making our reduction of gasses insignificant and a drop in the ocean