large tires and lift and whose who in talking

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Anthony,
I ran my Simex in Scotland for 1-2 years playing in mud bogs etc. and they
were in their element.
Would loved to have compared against the Extreme (as I was running Trekker
II's). They run at 33.5" and not a thru 34" as stated.
My bumpstops were all squished (and didn't really notice) so I must'av done
some pretty hard bangs (not that I can remember looking back). I didn't
notice until I got over here and was wondering why mine rubbed on certain
trails and my buddies didn't. One of the bumpstops had also lost its rubber
pad.
Got a 2nd hand set from Christo and noticed that they were bigger here (like
all thing in America!)- maybe extra 1/2 inch or so. So hence I rub less than
I used to and not enough to worry and with new (2nd) springs hoping that
will help.
Over here where I am no mud, plenty of dirt trails, rocks and snow so the
Simex aren't great in that respect. With the snow they dig down and leave me
high-centered as normally get plenty of snow over here. Most of the other
guys run the MTR's and can float on top (strange analogy with a beast the
weight of the crusier).
Went 4x4ing in Ouray (SW Colorado) last year with Robbie and crowd from New
Mexico (10 trucks in all and 5 80s). After doing Black Bear (enclose
picture -Robbie in front, where coming down steep part and u're looking down
onto Telluride town) pass my wife was going to kill me if we got down safely
(as 1000ft drops only few feet from edge :). But after that going up the
next mountain pass (only 12K ft) was a piece of cake !
Anyway on one of the trails there were a group of 6 Pinzgauer's ahead of us.
Was cool to watch them do their stuff.
For the guys on the forums Id rake in the following order (IMHO):
Norm Needham(as Aussie boys doing 80s longer than anyone else and in long
expedition sstyle stuff), Robbie, Dan Busey (cruiserdan on ih8mud), Christo,
John Hocker, Greg Goulden/Ian Bragg/Craig Huxley (aussie), BeoWolf,
IdahoDoug, John Held, Curran, RavenTai, Tyler and of course the wonderful
guys on this group!
Lal
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed]
[mailto:[Email address removed]]On Behalf Of Anthony Graham
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 1:47 PM
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: RE: [ELCO] large tires and lift
Hi Brendan,
I agree that to wheel with any conviction with 35" tyres a lift is
essential, I would only run like this for a short time and without forcing
any articulation I can not see it doing any more damage than is possibly
being done at present. As I have not had the 80 for a million miles I can
not quote from personal experience with this vehicle and do only convey what
has been said in a US forum, I can agree with you that Christo is indeed
held in high esteem and is Norm but there are a few others whom I would also
listen too Dan (cruiserdan) is some one who I would listen to above all
others. There area clowns on all forums that make unsubstantiated claims
for all sorts of things, in fact in every part of life. You must push you
vehicle far harder than most as I have never heard any one say the have body
contact with 285/75/16 they are only marginally larger than standard
equipment, it has been subject of many conversations are your bump stops
intact, still as you say some people just don't try hard enough. It would
be great for me to experiment on other peoples tyres but I don't have the
gall to ask as I do not know people well enough and I think they all live
some miles from me. If I had adequate funding I would just buy what ever
tyres took my fancy and take it from there or actually I would be driving a
718 6x6 Pinzgauer and never worry about tracks ever again but this day dream
was stopped in its tracks a little while ago and will most probably remain
as a dream.
Thank you for your considerations they were very enlightening,
Anthony
 
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Hi Brendan,
The topography over there must be wonderful and plenty of space. The off
road scene here is far too crowded, the green lanes over here can be like
motorways on some days. When I first started I used to camp out on some of
the track ways in Wales and over a week you may have seen just one other
person. The 4x4 mags ruined it really by overexposing some of the lanes and
making it very easy for lazy people to find, before one had to view the
definitive maps at county council offices to find a legal way. Nowadays a
lot of damage has been done by people not sticking to the legal routes and
in some places it is difficult to see where the track once may have been.
Of course this all serves up as ammunition to the antes, the response of the
4x4 groups in general is that it is only the few but I can say through my
own observations it is rather the many. Any way that is digressing and
meant for another day. I have seen some of you scribblings on mud and have
corresponded on some of the same topics, it just took me a while to connect
the real name and the non de plume as I was not sure before. I am familiar
with quite a few of the names you mention.
The Pinzgauer is an amazing bit of kit, but the ones over in the US are
quite old ones I think, the newer ones that I am referring to are built now
in the UK and are very much bigger with 5 cylinder VW TDI lumps to power
them. They also have traction control power steering and a bit more
articulation, they are in fact a lot more refined than the original petrol
ones but also very expensive. I always wanted one as a sort of expedition
truck and was really a far more superior vehicle in every way to my 101FC
which we used for years but I doubt I will ever have one it will be a long
while before the UK military disperse them and the Fire services that have
them in the UK will most probably hang on to the for along while.
Tyres, yes digging in are not always desirable, my Alpine tractor has low
ground pressure tyres and can run over bogy bits with equipment on that
would cause an 80 to sink up to its door handles I run them at 6psi at the
moment but they will go down a lot lower than that. The problem with low
ground pressure tyres is the lack of lateral bite when on steep side slopes
in the wet, but again that is very steep I would not put a conventional
tractor over that far.
Anthony
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed] [mailto:[Email address removed]] On
Behalf Of Brendan Lally
Sent: 11 March 2005 04:56
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: RE: [ELCO] large tires and lift and whose who in talking
Anthony,
I ran my Simex in Scotland for 1-2 years playing in mud bogs etc. and they
were in their element.
Would loved to have compared against the Extreme (as I was running Trekker
II's). They run at 33.5" and not a thru 34" as stated.
My bumpstops were all squished (and didn't really notice) so I must'av done
some pretty hard bangs (not that I can remember looking back). I didn't
notice until I got over here and was wondering why mine rubbed on certain
trails and my buddies didn't. One of the bumpstops had also lost its rubber
pad.
Got a 2nd hand set from Christo and noticed that they were bigger here (like
all thing in America!)- maybe extra 1/2 inch or so. So hence I rub less than
I used to and not enough to worry and with new (2nd) springs hoping that
will help.
Over here where I am no mud, plenty of dirt trails, rocks and snow so the
Simex aren't great in that respect. With the snow they dig down and leave me
high-centered as normally get plenty of snow over here. Most of the other
guys run the MTR's and can float on top (strange analogy with a beast the
weight of the crusier).
Went 4x4ing in Ouray (SW Colorado) last year with Robbie and crowd from New
Mexico (10 trucks in all and 5 80s). After doing Black Bear (enclose
picture -Robbie in front, where coming down steep part and u're looking down
onto Telluride town) pass my wife was going to kill me if we got down safely
(as 1000ft drops only few feet from edge :). But after that going up the
next mountain pass (only 12K ft) was a piece of cake !
Anyway on one of the trails there were a group of 6 Pinzgauer's ahead of us.
Was cool to watch them do their stuff.
For the guys on the forums Id rake in the following order (IMHO):
Norm Needham(as Aussie boys doing 80s longer than anyone else and in long
expedition sstyle stuff), Robbie, Dan Busey (cruiserdan on ih8mud), Christo,
John Hocker, Greg Goulden/Ian Bragg/Craig Huxley (aussie), BeoWolf,
IdahoDoug, John Held, Curran, RavenTai, Tyler and of course the wonderful
guys on this group!
Lal
-----Original Message-----
From: [Email address removed]
[mailto:[Email address removed]]On Behalf Of Anthony Graham
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 1:47 PM
To: [Email address removed]
Subject: RE: [ELCO] large tires and lift
Hi Brendan,
I agree that to wheel with any conviction with 35" tyres a lift is
essential, I would only run like this for a short time and without forcing
any articulation I can not see it doing any more damage than is possibly
being done at present. As I have not had the 80 for a million miles I can
not quote from personal experience with this vehicle and do only convey what
has been said in a US forum, I can agree with you that Christo is indeed
held in high esteem and is Norm but there are a few others whom I would also
listen too Dan (cruiserdan) is some one who I would listen to above all
others. There area clowns on all forums that make unsubstantiated claims
for all sorts of things, in fact in every part of life. You must push you
vehicle far harder than most as I have never heard any one say the have body
contact with 285/75/16 they are only marginally larger than standard
equipment, it has been subject of many conversations are your bump stops
intact, still as you say some people just don't try hard enough. It would
be great for me to experiment on other peoples tyres but I don't have the
gall to ask as I do not know people well enough and I think they all live
some miles from me. If I had adequate funding I would just buy what ever
tyres took my fancy and take it from there or actually I would be driving a
718 6x6 Pinzgauer and never worry about tracks ever again but this day dream
was stopped in its tracks a little while ago and will most probably remain
as a dream.
Thank you for your considerations they were very enlightening,
Anthony
 
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